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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Alex (U14250289) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    On The One Show a photo of a sign saying "Please note, Cat Milk does not comes from cats" was held up by Alex. It was me who took that photo and posted it on Flickr., www.flickr.com/photo...

    I did try and email Karen Colbourne the secretary of Liam Keelan about recompense use of my image but got no response, how do I get the attention of someone from the BBC?

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by minibones (U14961554) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    I think they owe you about 50p

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    That isn't the point. It's about copyright. The BBC used the OP's photo without his permission. As long he did copyright it when he loaded it on Flickr, then the least they owe him is an acknowledgement that the photo belongs to him.

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    Posted by magnificentpolarbear (U1225328) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    What are the rules of posting things on sites like flickr?

    Posting photos on sites like flickr MAY (and I emphasise MAY) mean that you loose any rights to asset your personal copyright to the use of an image.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Lee (U1149673) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    Hi Alex

    You don't say how long ago you contacted the production team so they may not have had a chance to respond yet. Alternatively, you can go to the complains website and click on the 'make a complaint' link:

    www.bbc.co.uk/compla...

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    What are the rules of posting things on sites like flickr?

    Posting photos on sites like flickr MAY (and I emphasise MAY) mean that you loose any rights to asset your personal copyright to the use of an image.
     
    I don't know, tbh. But I would assume that there are rules for it. Otherwise, Flickr would be getting themselves into all sorts of trouble. And anyone who puts their photos on the internet without crediting them is a bit daft.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    How much did you get from Retail Week, then? (As per your own comment below the pic).

    Because if you're going to ask for royalties from the BBC, you should be asking for them from RW too. And anyone else who's copied the image.

    As the saying goes - good luck with that. smiley - smiley

    And are you going to recompense the supermarket for your use of their store for the production of an image you're hoping to make money out of?

    Just a thought...

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by magnificentpolarbear (U1225328) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    That's what I mean Miranda.

    Posting them may mean you give up copyright - especially if they are public pics rather than private.

    I don't have a flickr account so don't really know how it operates.

    The link the OP posted mentioned that it was printed in a magazine. did they pay a rights fee?

    The BBC has a pretty hot legal department and compliance structures and I can't imagine that they used the image without getting some sort of clearance that it was OK to use - even if it wasn't from the OP.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Hi Alex

    I can see that you uploaded the image to Flickr on August 2 - here it is in your August Flickr stream

    www.flickr.com/photo...

    It was shown by Retail Week on 27 July

    www.retail-week.com/...

    Retailers often strive for their products to do what they say on the tin but not in this case.

    One grocer went to great lengths to warn customers not to read the Whiskas Cat Milk label literally, highlighting that the product does not actually originate from our feline friends.

    Has the retailer taken the same precautions for baby milk?  


    It was posted here on July 23

    www.joeydevilla.com/...

    and here on July 23rd
    www.lawlz.org/lawlz/...

    and here on July 23rd

    www.g4tv.com/attacko...

    and here 11 weeks ago
    pinterest.com/pin/40...

    and here 21st July
    dascritch.net/post/2...

    and it was tweeted on 20th July

    https://twitter.com...


    I've had a look at Flickr and can't see any rules that specify what you should do if people use your image without permission. It's a pain that you uploaded it to Flickr *after* the image had already done the rounds of Twitter, as it's obviously going to be harder to prove that it's your original image.

    Did you upload it somewhere else before you loaded it to Flickr on August 2nd? If you could show that you uploaded it somewhere else first, and that's where *everyone else* got the image from that would really help.

    You haven't got it uploaded to a personal blog or anywhere with an earlier date have you? Do you know where everyone else got your image from?

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Glorious Technicolour (U4590479) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    The shop couild probably do you for putting up a fake sign too. I'd keep quiet if I were you.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    The pic lost its edge for me when Alex confessed that he'd put the sign up. If the shop had done it due to customer enquiries, it would have been hilarious.

    I'm looking forward to seeing what, if any, recompense the BBC offers Alex. Because I don't think he's entitled to a penny, TBH.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    Alex will obviously have to prove that it's his image, but that shouldn't be a problem if he can show where everyone on Twitter got it from, before he uploaded it to Flickr. smiley - ok

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Andrew (U14703834) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    It's slightly amusing at first glance. Would have been more amusing if it was the shop that put it there but since it was you then not much more than a prank.

    Took you 5 minutes to set up and print off I assume, a quick snap on your phone and you posted it on a public website to get giggles.

    Did you ask permission from the store to do your 'prank'? probably not.

    Now you think you are somehow owed for your work of art? Get real.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    The Flickr account says that the photograph was taken in Bristol on the 19th July, 2012, using a Sony Ericsson sk17i. The Twitter account which had it up the very next morning is that of a Yorkshire breakfast radio show host on Real Radio's 'Dixie and Gale'.

    Curiously, there is a connection between the show and Chris Evans, who was involved in the presentation of 'Dixie and Gale' with a Sony Award in 2010 www.youtube.com/watc...

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Yes, the account holder has manually added the date that he says he took the photo, but it wasn't uploaded to Flicker until the *2nd August*, if you look at the link that I gave earlier.

    That's why I'm querying where the Tweeters got the image from, nearly two weeks before it was uploaded to Twitter.



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  • Message 16

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    Posted by PaulHammond (U5000908) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Sorry, but it seems like if the image was doing the rounds on Twitter a couple of weeks before Alex posted it to his Flikr site, I can't see how he thinks he's got copyright on this image.

    I'm pretty sure that images that get posted to twitter become public domain. That's the reason why so many channels make cheap shows based on what people post to youtube these days, whereas in the past they would have paid people a couple hundred quid for video footage.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I was not arguing with you. In a sense I was expressing puzzlement at a photograph take on a mobile phone on the 19th July, 2012, appearing on the Twitter account of an award winning breakfast show presenter the very next morning. It *must* have been available before appearing on Flickr. It seems to have be doing the rounds unattributed before it appears on Flickr:

    tinyurl.com/8ojmuu8...

    The range of dates is from the latter part of July to October, but there is no clear attribution anywhere.

    And, just for fun, this photo was taken on October 27, 2012 smiley - winkeye:

    www.flickr.com/photo...

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by GARGLEBLASTER (U3191065) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    What are the rules of posting things on sites like flickr?

    Posting photos on sites like flickr MAY (and I emphasise MAY) mean that you loose any rights to asset your personal copyright to the use of an image.
     

    If you don't tie your LOOSE shoelace you might LOSE your shoe!

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Actually, images on Flickr have a clear copyright statement which appears if you right click on an image. Copyright is never lost. One problem here is that the image seems to have been posted all over the Internet, certainly via Twitter, unattributed, and others are claiming it as theirs (as in the case I posted above). Copyright is unclear.

    As for its use by the BBC. It would depend entirely on the context, and might be protected as long as it has no effect on its value to the copyright holder. However, the use of a photograph on the one show might be protected under 8. Acts that are allowed as described here.

    www.copyrightservice...

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Alf Hartigan (U2277114) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    I would sue the BBC for using a picture of a label in a supermarket that you took a picture of ages ago, especially if it makes you happy.

    I took a similar picture but it is still on my mobile so no-one else can see it and that makes me very glad I didn't post it to Flickr where other people could see it.

    What a lot of fuss about nothing important.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by minibones (U14961554) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    And not even a first-time, one-off poster
    smiley - laugh

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Glorious Technicolour (U4590479) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    BBC,
    I commented to you about a programme on this board and now I find out people have 'quoted' me when making their own comments about the same programme. This is clearly wrong and I want a lot of money. Now.
    Thank you.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    This is really starting to bug me now, because I'm sure that picture was doing the rounds a couple of years ago. But can I find it? No.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    The joke isn't new.

    www.flickr.com/photo...

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    No, but I'm convinced I also saw the picture in question years ago as well. This is such a silly thread and I'm even more annoyed now that it is bugging me smiley - laugh

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by mirandashell (U1946590) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Ah well. If Alex is trying it on, fair enough.

    As someone else said, the BBC know the copyright law so .....

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Alex (U14250289) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Yes, I uploaded it to Facebook, under my own name and it says it's Copyright on there, I'm annoyed because I did write to the BBC complaints and have so far still had no reply.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Alex (U14250289) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    www.facebook.com/pho...

    Find an earlier version then.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by DragonFluff (U6879248) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    I think the BBC Legal Department might be a bit busy at the moment... smiley - laugh

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    What are the rules of posting things on sites like flickr?

    Posting photos on sites like flickr MAY (and I emphasise MAY) mean that you loose any rights to asset your personal copyright to the use of an image.
     
    I don't know, tbh. But I would assume that there are rules for it. Otherwise, Flickr would be getting themselves into all sorts of trouble. And anyone who puts their photos on the internet without crediting them is a bit daft.  
    If you're posting on the internet on a site like flickr, one can assume the T&C will include something to cover that... most likely Creative Commons License, which is generally par for the course on the interwebs.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by BothXP (U6274173) on Monday, 12th November 2012

    Yes, I uploaded it to Facebook, under my own name and it says it's Copyright on there, I'm annoyed because I did write to the BBC complaints and have so far still had no reply. 
    and do you realise the the T&C of facebook say: "you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post"

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by minibones (U14961554) on Monday, 12th November 2012

    Think it's time to stop whinging now. Attempt to blag some cash off Auntie has failed and your sympathy factor is pretty close to zero

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Wednesday, 14th November 2012

    On The One Show a photo of a sign saying "Please note, Cat Milk does not comes from cats" was held up by Alex. It was me who took that photo and posted it on Flickr., www.flickr.com/photo...

    I did try and email Karen Colbourne the secretary of Liam Keelan about recompense use of my image but got no response, how do I get the attention of someone from the BBC? 

    Hi Alex

    Alex, could you please contact the moderation services team via the “Comments and complaints about moderation” form on the contact us page here: www.bbc.co.uk/messag... and put “COPYRIGHT ISSUE” in the “Message board you want to contact us about:” section. (This is a one off - they are not the team to go to for copyright complaints but they've agreed that I can use their form, in order to get Alex's message over to the correct people)

    Send them the full details of your issue, with links to your original photo and your email address and the Photo Unit within the BBC’s Rights department will contact you and investigate what’s happened on this occasion.

    The BBC are very aware that images uploaded to social media sites do not lose any copyright protection and often clear such images. We train our staff extensively on this, but obviously the exact licensing situation can be complex and it is hard to discuss an individual situation here. We do take our responsibilities in copyright clearance very seriously and we investigate what has happened in this case and hopefully be able to resolve what has happened here quickly to everyone’s satisfaction.

    We’d like to also remind the public that when they submit user generated content to the BBC our terms of use, including how we approach copyright in that content, are available to read at www.bbc.co.uk/terms/...

    Thanks all!

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by St Maddenus witty name to follow (U14314874) on Wednesday, 14th November 2012

    I have an image of myself on sexysingleladieslookingformarriedmen.com is that copyright?

    and what would happen if the BBC used it?

    Other than my wife beating me senseless that is.


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