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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Cameron and IDS for Big Brother (U13838847) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    This Week with Andrew Neil based around Bond.
    Graham Norton with the three main Bond characters and a Bond special.
    Now I read on here that Top Gear did a Bond Special.
    And they say the beeb doesn't advertise!

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    The BBC giving a lot of coverage to the 50th anniversary of an iconic British film franchise does not strike me as advertising.

    It seems an appropriate acknowledgement of the franchises global appeal for half a century. smiley - smiley

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    Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    This Week with Andrew Neil based around Bond.
    Graham Norton with the three main Bond characters and a Bond special.
    Now I read on here that Top Gear did a Bond Special.
    And they say the beeb doesn't advertise! 
    But what are they advertising exactly?

    Only those who live in a cave dont know a Bond film is out-it is all over the media

    Once again are the BBC supposed to ignore popular culture?

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    Posted by bootjangler (U880875) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    This Week with Andrew Neil based around Bond.
    Graham Norton with the three main Bond characters and a Bond special.
    Now I read on here that Top Gear did a Bond Special.
    And they say the beeb doesn't advertise! 
    It's terrible and has been for many, many years.

    Take Parkinson for instance. All those years ago, interviewing film stars who had a movie coming out, and comedians who had a new tour. What about authors who had a book coming out?
    Disgusting.

    Maybe the BBC should ignore all things like this and leave it to the other channels.

    Gosh, it might even bring the license fee down, bu tif it didn't (and wouldn't), we'd switch over to watch such things elsewhere, and it probably wouldn't pop into the heads of the vast majority that it was advertising.

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    Posted by aviddiva (U13145965) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    This Week with Andrew Neil based around Bond.
    Graham Norton with the three main Bond characters and a Bond special.
    Now I read on here that Top Gear did a Bond Special.
    And they say the beeb doesn't advertise! 
    It's terrible and has been for many, many years.

    Take Parkinson for instance. All those years ago, interviewing film stars who had a movie coming out, and comedians who had a new tour. What about authors who had a book coming out?
    Disgusting.

    Maybe the BBC should ignore all things like this and leave it to the other channels.

    Gosh, it might even bring the license fee down, bu tif it didn't (and wouldn't), we'd switch over to watch such things elsewhere, and it probably wouldn't pop into the heads of the vast majority that it was advertising. 
    Don't forget Mark Kermode's interview with Sam Mendes to plug the new Bond film.

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    Posted by bootjangler (U880875) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    Don't forget Mark Kermode's interview with Sam Mendes to plug the new Bond film.  

    Yeah, and I think I saw people wearing clothes in Eastenders the other day.
    Advertising clothes? Terrible, terrible.

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    Posted by susiesar (U10941938) on Monday, 29th October 2012

    Silly on off poster probably from the Mail

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    Posted by tvbob (U15484358) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Yes I agree, their are hundreds of independent film makers out their with little or no budget for marketing and I bet they cant get on the BBC. Add to this the like of Nigella Lawson, Ben Elton, Danny Baker, Al Murry, Dawn French, Art Garfunkel, Lee Mack and Jamie Oliver all turning up on the One show to plug their books, tours and DVDs and that's just the last month. I think we can safely say the BBC does advertise nowadays you just need to make sure the brand is your name. How about a reduction in the licence fee BBC?

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    Posted by Andy (U14048329) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    This Week with Andrew Neil based around Bond.
    Graham Norton with the three main Bond characters and a Bond special.
    Now I read on here that Top Gear did a Bond Special.
    And they say the beeb doesn't advertise! 
    You have to wonder what kind of insulated bubble the BBC would exist in and would be reporting on if the complainers got their way on this.

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    Posted by ZIP-IT-SHRIMPY (U15436784) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Top gear Bond special, BAFTA Bond special, all over the news and umpteen other bbc programmes. I wonder if someone high up at the beeb has shares in the bond film, only explanation i can think of.

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    Posted by Andy (U14048329) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Top gear Bond special, BAFTA Bond special, all over the news and umpteen other bbc programmes. I wonder if someone high up at the beeb has shares in the bond film, only explanation i can think of.  What? The far more plausible explanation that there's alot of interest in the new Bond film, and it would be a good idea for the BBC to try to reflect some of that interest if it wants to remain relevant, just didn't occur to you at all?

    Too mundane was it?

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    posted by tvbob:
    BBC does advertise nowadays.
     


    So in your opinion, the BBC having guests on talk shows who were authors, musicians, actors, is something new?

    All of the people who appeared on TOTP years back for example where all musicians who gave away their records for free?

    All of the guests on Parkinson's interview programme were disallowed from discussing their profession? They were only allowed to discuss things that were not relevant to their professional career?


    posted by tvbob:

    How about a reduction in the licence fee BBC?
     


    In making this statement are you accusing the BBC of taking payola kickbacks from individuals in order to be guests on BBC programmes to discuss their commercial ventures?

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    Posted by Cameron and IDS for Big Brother (U13838847) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Silly on off poster probably from the Mail  Maybe they have a life.

    In making this statement are you accusing the BBC of taking payola kickbacks from individuals in order to be guests on BBC programmes to discuss their commercial ventures? 
    Whats your opinion?




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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    My opinion is that the BBC is booking guests on their chit chat programmes and making other programmes with themed episodes because something or someone is topical in terms of popular culture.

    And that they are NOT secretly taking payola kickbacks.

    I asked if you wereaccusing the BBC of taking payola kickbacks from individuals in order to be guests on BBC programmes to discuss their commercial ventures.

    I asked you this because that is how your statement read.

    Your reply was to answer my question with a question by asking me my opinion.

    I have now given you my opinion and would ask that you in turn reply to my original question.



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    Posted by Cameron and IDS for Big Brother (U13838847) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I find it a coincidence that,for example,a band has a new cd out/tour upcoming and hey presto,they appear on Jooles Holland.
    Between now and Christmas eve,we are going to be drowning in books by chefs,gardeners,diy'ers and comedians.Granted,some of them may appear on ITV.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Thursday, 1st November 2012


    I find it a coincidence that,for example,a band has a new cd out/tour upcoming and hey presto,they appear on Jooles Holland.
     


    Of course, especially if they are a band from another country. They would be in the UK on a promotional tour. You dont actually think bands would fly across the ocean just to play a few songs on Jools Holland show if they were already on tour do you?

    If Cold Play or Adele for example were embarking on a North American tour I would expect to see them making the rounds - David Letterman, Jay Leno, Conan Obrien, Jimm Kimmel, Saturday Night Live etc.



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    Posted by magicblackfrog (U13703642) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Although advertising has become widespread on BBC programmes such as Breakfast and The One Show to name a couple, BBC advertising is not that successful.
    These companies have been all over the BeeB before and after.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/b...

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    I can't think of a single instance of the BBC 'advertising' the retailers that you've linked to.

    Can you?

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I can't think of any specific shops etc.

    The main things 'advertised' as I see it are books, films, music, tours etc.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave
    The main things 'advertised' as I see it are books, films, music, tours etc.
     


    In other words, BBC programmes have on guests who are relevant to current popular culture, literature, the arts and the media.

    You call it advertising. I would call it having on guests that many viewers would find interesting and entertaining.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Although advertising has become widespread on BBC programmes such as Breakfast and The One Show to name a couple, BBC advertising is not that successful.
    These companies have been all over the BeeB before and after.

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/b... 


    I don't see that featuring these businesses in the news when they are bought, sold or go under. Or reporting when the big supermarkets/chainstores have higher/lower profits or make losses, is "advertising".



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  • Message 22

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Each to their own opinion but I don't find all the people flogging their merchandise relevant , interesting or entertaining,

    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff.

    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ? smiley - erm

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff. 

    Books, films, records, cd's, dvd, etc have been plugged on the BBC chat shows for as long as I can remember. It's a way of getting big names on the show.

    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ? smiley - erm 

    Do you know for a fact what the finnancial arrangements are?

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    Posted by thedogcody (U14659366) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    To night Graham Norton has~~~~~

    Robbie Williams -has a record out
    Paul O'Grady -has a book out
    Darcey Bussel-will talk about SCD
    Felix Baumgartner-did jump from a great height- blazoned in sponsors labels and there is a DVD coming out

    So -everybody on there on there for a purpose-and that is how it has always been and always will be

    Nothing to get upset about

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave
    Each to their own opinion but I don't find all the people flogging their merchandise relevant , interesting or entertaining,
     


    Then it would seem you wouldnt watch chit chat programmes. Not every programme is going to appeal to every viewer. Ratings for such programmes however would indicate that many people do find these guests interesting and entertaining and thus, the shows are striking the right mark with their core audience.


    posted by dave
    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff.
     


    Of course that is why they go on the show.

    If you take away discussing a celebrities profession and/or their current project - ie: the reason they are currently relevant in the first place - what do you want them to talk about?

    "Our guest tonight is Idris Elba who is going to discuss his favourite breed of dog and what he had for breakfast this morning."


    posted by dave
    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ?
     


    What the celebs get in this tit for tat arrangment is promotion.

    What the BBC get is ratings.

    And yes - even publicly funded broadcasters want to acheive ratings.



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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff. 

    Books, films, records, cd's, dvd, etc have been plugged on the BBC chat shows for as long as I can remember. It's a way of getting big names on the show.

    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ? smiley - erm 

    Do you know for a fact what the finnancial arrangements are?
     
    " It's a way of getting big names on the show."

    and now its mainly talentless celebs flogging something smiley - smiley

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave
    Each to their own opinion but I don't find all the people flogging their merchandise relevant , interesting or entertaining,
     


    Then it would seem you wouldnt watch chit chat programmes. Not every programme is going to appeal to every viewer. Ratings for such programmes however would indicate that many people do find these guests interesting and entertaining and thus, the shows are striking the right mark with their core audience.


    posted by dave
    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff.
     


    Of course that is why they go on the show.

    If you take away discussing a celebrities profession and/or their current project - ie: the reason they are currently relevant in the first place - what do you want them to talk about?

    "Our guest tonight is Idris Elba who is going to discuss his favourite breed of dog and what he had for breakfast this morning."


    posted by dave
    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ?
     


    What the celebs get in this tit for tat arrangment is promotion.

    What the BBC get is ratings.

    And yes - even publicly funded broadcasters want to acheive ratings.



     
    "Not every programme is going to appeal to every viewer"

    Never said it did, and just giving my 'point of view' as a viewer / licence payer as the title of the board suggests smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I view some as just using the system for the oportunity to promote themselves and stuff. 

    Books, films, records, cd's, dvd, etc have been plugged on the BBC chat shows for as long as I can remember. It's a way of getting big names on the show.

    Maybe the BBC should charge them or get commission ? smiley - erm 

    Do you know for a fact what the finnancial arrangements are?
     
    " It's a way of getting big names on the show."

    and now its mainly talentless celebs flogging something smiley - smiley 
    Well I don't see that just because the guests and what they are plugging are not to your taste makes it any different. I'm sure many guests and many products on many shows have not been to everyone's taste over many many years. Nor is it the BBC's fault that the sort of guest you would like to see isn't plugging their wares at this time.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave
    and now its mainly talentless celebs flogging something
     


    Well, in the current season, Graham Norton has had on as guests;

    Usher, Daniel Craig, Dame Judi Dench, Javier Bardem, Robbie Williams tonight, upcoming guests include Helena Bonham Carter, Michael Buble, Rod Stewart and Michael Palin.

    Last series Graham Norton had on such guests as

    Johnny Depp
    Joanna Lumley
    Jennifer Saunders
    Arctic Monkeys
    Snow Patrol
    Lenny Kravitz
    Katy Perry
    Jude Law
    Robert Downey Jr.
    Antonio Banderas
    Salma Hayak
    Gillian Anderson
    Gareth Malone
    Keneth Branagh
    Liam Neeson
    Patrick Stewart
    Cuba Gooding Jr.
    Mark Walhberg
    John Cusak
    Goldie Hawn
    Daniel Radcliff
    Kate WInslet

    And many more

    IMHO there is a considerable amount of talent represented there.

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    There's a lot more shows with people flogging stuff than Graham Norton, IMHO.

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    "Well I don't see that just because the guests and what they are plugging are not to your taste makes it any different."

    To me it makes a big difference, if the only reason to come on is to sell something then to me that isn't good TV or value to me, IMHO.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    "Well I don't see that just because the guests and what they are plugging are not to your taste makes it any different."

    To me it makes a big difference, if the only reason to come on is to sell something then to me that isn't good TV or value to me, IMHO.

     
    To you, who is on makes a difference.

    In the way things have been done for so many years, it isn't different.

    Difference and different, are............... erm, different.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    To me it makes a big difference, if the only reason to come on is to sell something then to me that isn't good TV or value to me, IMHO.

     


    Well if you discount guests who are looking to promote themselves or their latest project, that would let out actors, directors, musicians, artists, authors, politicians, activitsts, athletes, and entrepeneurs.

    So, who will the BBC schedule as guests on talk shows then?

    Who is Jools Holland to have on his programme?

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    "In the way things have been done for so many years, it isn't different. "

    I know, I got fed up of 'Wogan' years ago as that was the same, just promoting stuff.

    Doesn't make it right though smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    OK, but you started this thread with the title, "what is happening to our country", that led me to believe you thought things have changed.

    They haven't, even Parkie and David Frost had guests who were allowed to plug their latest goods.

    Nothing has changed.

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    To me it makes a big difference, if the only reason to come on is to sell something then to me that isn't good TV or value to me, IMHO.

     


    Well if you discount guests who are looking to promote themselves or their latest project, that would let out actors, directors, musicians, artists, authors, politicians, activitsts, athletes, and entrepeneurs.

    So, who will the BBC schedule as guests on talk shows then?

    Who is Jools Holland to have on his programme?  
    They could dump most of them for me as they don't talk about anything worthwhile just their latest thing to sell. smiley - smiley

    Talk shows are not entertaining these days, the guests come on , only talk for a couple of minutes to promote stuff and then its the next person. The likes of the One show are just a constant stream of them night after night.

    I've never bought anything from or advertised by a politician or activist smiley - laugh

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    I've never bought anything from or advertised by a politician or activist
     


    Then you are the only person on the planet who hasnt.

    Maybe its just that you dont realise it.

    Obviously poltiicans and activists are promoting themselves, their agenda and you have no doubt bought into it at some point in your life after seeing them on TV.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    I've never bought anything from or advertised by a politician or activist
     


    Then you are the only person on the planet who hasnt.

    Maybe its just that you dont realise it.

    Obviously poltiicans and activists are promoting themselves, their agenda and you have no doubt bought into it at some point in your life after seeing them on TV. 
    I'm not aware that I have ever bought anything from or advertised by a politician or activist either.

    I think clarification is needed here.

    "Bought" and "bought into" are again different.

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    Posted by Maxibaby (U14151672) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    OK, but you started this thread with the title, "what is happening to our country", that led me to believe you thought things have changed.

    They haven't, even Parkie and David Frost had guests who were allowed to plug their latest goods.

    Nothing has changed.  
    I think it's changed a bit, in that there seems to be a circuit that whoever is the celeb with something to flog/promote trolls around. You therefore see them starting off on the Beeb in the early morning, progressing through ITV/Channel 4/Channel 5 throughout the late morning, early afternoon, then winding up on a chat show late night. It's quite right that there has always been promotion of something or other by someone or other, but now, these exercises are used to fill time, and are ubiquitous.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I said bought into.

    Dave said he was opposed to people going on TV to promote themselves.

    I mentioned politicians and activists.

    Dave said he never bought anything advertised by politicians or activists.

    Obviously Dave was under the impression that self-promotion was limited to commercial retail products. When its not.

    Thus Dave said he never "bought" something from them, so I pointed out how he bought into something they were selling.

    Thus their self-promotion was effective.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    OK, but you started this thread with the title, "what is happening to our country", that led me to believe you thought things have changed.

    They haven't, even Parkie and David Frost had guests who were allowed to plug their latest goods.

    Nothing has changed.  
    I think it's changed a bit, in that there seems to be a circuit that whoever is the celeb with something to flog/promote trolls around. You therefore see them starting off on the Beeb in the early morning, progressing through ITV/Channel 4/Channel 5 throughout the late morning, early afternoon, then winding up on a chat show late night. It's quite right that there has always been promotion of something or other by someone or other, but now, these exercises are used to fill time, and are ubiquitous. 
    I don't think it has changed as such, there are just more places and opportunities accross more networks. But in the rules of broadcasting it must have been the BBC that started it.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I said bought into.

    Dave said he was opposed to people going on TV to promote themselves.

    I mentioned politicians and activists.

    Dave said he never bought anything advertised by politicians or activists.

    Obviously Dave was under the impression that self-promotion was limited to commercial retail products. When its not.

    Thus Dave said he never "bought" something from them, so I pointed out how he bought into something they were selling.

    Thus their self-promotion was effective.

     
    That's even more confusing GZ

    I have never bought a book written by a politician or activist.

    Whether I have had private opinions of the politician or activist (which I believe you mean by "bought into") is a little different. IMO

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by DoverSoulless

    I have never bought a book written by a politician or activist.
     


    I have purchased and read many books written by politicians and activists.

    Martin Luther King Jr. and Winston Churchill amongst many others.

    There are many fabulous books written by politicians and activists.



    posted by DoverSoulless
    Whether I have had private opinions of the politician or activist (which I believe you mean by "bought into") is a little different. IMO
     


    Not really.

    Self-promotion is hardly limited to retail goods.

    It extends to promoting oneself in order to acheive notoriety and/or to promote an agenda.

    Thus my large point - if the BBC or any other TV network for that matter - were to disallow guests who had some sort of self-promotion in mind, there would be a very short list of available guests to choose from.

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    GZ, I really don't follow what you are saying.

    You may buy books or whatever by politicias or whoever. I don't and nor does Dave.

    Yes I agree that self promotion isn't limited to retail goods, but that is the way that I, Dave, and probably many others, are seeing and reading it.

    To clarify, to buy in the retail sense is one thing.
    To buy into, in the mind affecting sense is something quite different.

    I don't want them disallowed, I just think that once again the big pond is coming between what is meant.

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    Posted by dave (U2043922) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    I've never bought anything from or advertised by a politician or activist
     


    Then you are the only person on the planet who hasnt.

    Maybe its just that you dont realise it.

    Obviously poltiicans and activists are promoting themselves, their agenda and you have no doubt bought into it at some point in your life after seeing them on TV. 
    I was mainly talking about adverts and commercial value, which i think is what the BBC should be avoiding, not politics etc

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by DoverSoulless
    I really don't follow what you are saying.
     


    This is what I am saying

    Dave doesnt like that people go on chit chat shows to self promote.

    I replied that if chit chat shows disallowed people who had something to self-promote about that would leave a very, very short list of potential guests to choose from.


    posted by DoverSoulless
    You may buy books or whatever by politicias or whoever. I don't and nor does Dave.
     


    That is certainly up to you. But IMHO politicans and activists have written some of the finest, most interesting and insightful books of all time.


    posted by DoverSoulless

    To clarify, to buy in the retail sense is one thing.
    To buy into, in the mind affecting sense is something quite different
     


    Not when it comes to self-promotion it isnt. Its all grist for the mill.

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    Posted by GZ (U5310554) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    posted by dave

    I was mainly talking about adverts and commercial value, which i think is what the BBC should be avoiding,
     


    OK.

    I see from your posting history that you fancy Jools Holland Later.

    How do you balance Jool's programme with your belief that the BBC should not be presenting showcases for artists with commercial interests?

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    Posted by Dover Soul (U14934992) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Oh for goodness sense GZ, stop twisting things to your own view.

    "grist to the mill"????????????? gimme a break. It's been done for more years than I care to remember. But I maintain that there is a difference between self promotion that encourages you to buy something in the retail sense and in the political sense, and most people in this country know the difference.

    I'm done with this.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by magicblackfrog (U13703642) on Friday, 2nd November 2012


    I can't think of a single instance of the BBC 'advertising' the retailers that you've linked to.

    Can you?  
    The post was Tongue in cheek but ...Yes.

    It now happens frequently as a topic disussion during programmes such as Naga Munchetty did with Ikea a weekend or two ago.

    I can also remember when the Beeb went to great lengths in avoiding the mention of product or company names, often you would see product names obliterated when products were shown on screen.
    I also remember when Formula 1 was taken off screen because of advertising.

    Things have changed.

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    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by Cameron and IDS for Big Brother (U13838847) on Saturday, 3rd November 2012

    In the days of Parkinson there were the likes of James Cagney,Muhammad Ali,Lauren Bacall,Sir Alec Guinness,Sir John Gielgud.The list was endless,all with a good story to tell and witty anecdotes about their lives,and not a book to be seen (usually).Try getting a funny anecdote out of the likes of Robbie Williams or Usher,but they will thrust a book or CD in your face.

    At least on the likes of X Factor,if they have a "big star" on the show they advertise their product during the break.Is this not the way foreward.In these hard times a tv licence is an outdated mode,surely.

    (btw)"What is happening to our country"is not the title of the thread,it is a screen name.

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