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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Well done to all that got a mention today. smiley - applause

    I did not watch the James May programme which got a chemistry diagram so completely wrong but feel - having heard the explanation that an expert supplied it but the 'animation team' drew it incorrectly - I cannot help but feel the editor of that programme should be fined a months pay for letting such a blunder go out on air.

    Bad enough that the animators did not notice - how hard is it to copy a diagram? And surely it would be easier to leave OUT an element by mistake, than include an extra one which is what I think they did?

    Either way, the production values of the show are clearly lacking in a big way. It was dismissed with a "glad that people got in touch to tell us" - but what a ribbing the expert must have taken from colleagues for a blantant error which was not his fault. smiley - scientist

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Well done to all that got a mention today. smiley - applause

    I did not watch the James May programme which got a chemistry diagram so completely wrong but feel - having heard the explanation that an expert supplied it but the 'animation team' drew it incorrectly - I cannot help but feel the editor of that programme should be fined a months pay for letting such a blunder go out on air.

    Bad enough that the animators did not notice - how hard is it to copy a diagram? And surely it would be easier to leave OUT an element by mistake, than include an extra one which is what I think they did?

    Either way, the production values of the show are clearly lacking in a big way. It was dismissed with a "glad that people got in touch to tell us" - but what a ribbing the expert must have taken from colleagues for a blantant error which was not his fault. smiley - scientist 
    Not to mention the wrong date on the Merlin trail.....Are they using the same folk for fact checking that the Government used for the west coast rail franchise?

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    Posted by incandescent (U14877400) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    They read out the complaint about Paradise using the name Denise before it was used in Britain, but if I recall correctly, weren't there several examples given to refute this?

    If so, why didn't POV read one of them out?

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    Posted by Howie Doohan (U15265232) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    How on earth could they get the date in October wrong for the launch of Merlin? That is really BAD. The producer of the chemistry show looked petrified like he was expecting to receive his P45 at the end of today's show smiley - laugh

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    Posted by Howie Doohan (U15265232) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Did Jeremy even say that the 8th of October was a Tuesday smiley - doh

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    Posted by dayraven (U13717520) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    They read out the complaint about Paradise using the name Denise before it was used in Britain, but if I recall correctly, weren't there several examples given to refute this? 
    Many of the examples still seemed to suggest that it was down to recent French immigrants rather than appearing as a completely naturalised British name, though.

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    They read out the complaint about Paradise using the name Denise before it was used in Britain, but if I recall correctly, weren't there several examples given to refute this? 
    Many of the examples still seemed to suggest that it was down to recent French immigrants rather than appearing as a completely naturalised British name, though. 
    But there were some examples that on the balance of probability could have been British born.

    Only one is needed to make the whole complaint that there was a Denise count in the country of zero fail.

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    Posted by pedrokelly (U1360661) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Well done to all that got a mention today. smiley - applause

    I did not watch the James May programme which got a chemistry diagram so completely wrong but feel - having heard the explanation that an expert supplied it but the 'animation team' drew it incorrectly - I cannot help but feel the editor of that programme should be fined a months pay for letting such a blunder go out on air.

    Bad enough that the animators did not notice - how hard is it to copy a diagram? And surely it would be easier to leave OUT an element by mistake, than include an extra one which is what I think they did?

    Either way, the production values of the show are clearly lacking in a big way. It was dismissed with a "glad that people got in touch to tell us" - but what a ribbing the expert must have taken from colleagues for a blantant error which was not his fault. smiley - scientist 
    Not to mention the wrong date on the Merlin trail.....Are they using the same folk for fact checking that the Government used for the west coast rail franchise?  
    The wrong date for Merlin, and not even a sorry.

    The wrong chemistry diagram, a lot of waffle and not a sorry either.

    A simple 'sorry for the mistake' would have been nice.

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Well done to all that got a mention today. smiley - applause

    I did not watch the James May programme which got a chemistry diagram so completely wrong but feel - having heard the explanation that an expert supplied it but the 'animation team' drew it incorrectly - I cannot help but feel the editor of that programme should be fined a months pay for letting such a blunder go out on air.

    Bad enough that the animators did not notice - how hard is it to copy a diagram? And surely it would be easier to leave OUT an element by mistake, than include an extra one which is what I think they did?

    Either way, the production values of the show are clearly lacking in a big way. It was dismissed with a "glad that people got in touch to tell us" - but what a ribbing the expert must have taken from colleagues for a blantant error which was not his fault. smiley - scientist 
    What an absolutely UNACCEPTABLE answer that was offered and proof - as if it was needed - that the BBC hold science in contempt. What's the point in getting someone that knows this stuff in to be a consultant if he doesn't check the work of the scientific illiterates that are so feckless they're incapable of copying and pasting a diagram?

    Why aren't these things CHECKED before broadcast? Why is this something that they're only thinking to do NOW? Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted doesn't really help anyone. I'm baffled as to why this isn't standard procedure for all factual programmes - is the BBC that strapped for cash that they're willing to forego the most obvious and basic criterion to attain accuracy?

    And as was pointed out - this wasn't even some super complex chemical formula, this was the valency of carbon. Unless the talk about the declining standards of exams is true, I could have told you that carbon couldn't have five bonds at GCSE... just the levels of ignorance AND incompetence are staggering.

    I suppose the BBC drone was at least suitably grovelling. Quite a turn up for the books.

    Did Jeremy even say that the 8th of October was a Tuesday 
    No, he said there wasn't a Saturday the 8th of October until 2016.

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    Posted by Howie Doohan (U15265232) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    smiley - laugh You've got to laugh at the incompitence.

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    smiley - laugh You've got to laugh at the incompitence.   I love the irony.

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Only one is needed to make the whole complaint that there was a Denise count in the country of zero fail. 

    Denise Mcconnochie - Good Scottish name. Female, Born around 1844 in Dumfries.

    https://familysearc...

    I think that the program makers are safe as long as they don't make every second female character a Denise, a Sharon, or a Tracey.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by JanetDoe (U10211737) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Don't forget Matt Baker on a pre-recorded section of Countryfile maintaining that Nelson was at the Battle of Waterloo a while back.

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    Posted by Baby Dumpling (U14515450) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    smiley - laugh You've got to laugh at the incompitence.   they got my screen name wrong

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    Posted by Guv-nor (U7476305) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Thanks for that Mary-Anne Parsnip, will there be a correction on POV next week I wonder.

    Holding my breath for that would not be wise.

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    Posted by Howie Doohan (U15265232) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    smiley - laugh You've got to laugh at the incompitence.   I love the irony. 

    You got that. A * to you. I didn't think anyone would.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Bidie-In (U2747062) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Only one is needed to make the whole complaint that there was a Denise count in the country of zero fail. 

    Denise Mcconnochie - Good Scottish name. Female, Born around 1844 in Dumfries.

    https://familysearc...

    I think that the program makers are safe as long as they don't make every second female character a Denise, a Sharon, or a Tracey.  
    Ah - we Scots! Always leading the fashion trends.....

    I suspect her parents were trying to spell Deirdre.......smiley - laugh

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    It is very dangerous to make absolute claims for names which have origins, either in the classics, or in French. Denise has both, being the French form of a name which has its roots in Dionysius and Dionysia. All it takes is somebody who has been on the Grand Tour, or who perhaps has French relatives.

    Wendy is another name that causes controversies of this sort.

    I wait with anticipation for the correction. If you are going to correct a mistake, make sure it is a mistake before you correct it.

    Thanks for that Mary-Anne Parsnip, will there be a correction on POV next week I wonder.

    Holding my breath for that would not be wise. 

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by megamain (U12800305) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    If a contribution to this board gets read out do they let you know? They have our email address after all.

    Just asking because I rarely see the TV programme and all my contributions are ace so I have probably been read out loads of times

    smiley - smiley

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Howie Doohan (U15265232) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    No, they don't let you know. You have to watch the show to find out.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by the_cleaner--still a man (U3423083) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    They read out the complaint about Paradise using the name Denise before it was used in Britain, but if I recall correctly, weren't there several examples given to refute this?

    If so, why didn't POV read one of them out? 
    The one in the POV office, who got that wrong, should be fined 2 months pay.

    James May producers.....sacking offence, in my books.

    smiley - laugh

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by conion (U9432813) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Wendy is another name that causes controversies of this sort. 


    Wendy, male slave 1810 Slave registers.

    1911 census
    Name: Wendy Mearon abt 1832
    Gender: Female
    Birth Place: Basford, Nottinghamshire, England

    plus
    1911 England Census
    Henry Wendy Blake male
    Birth: abt 1845 - Truro, Cornwall, England

    Controversy continues...

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Yes, there is an urban legend of sorts, that the originator of the name is J M Barrie.

    Back to Denise, it appears that a Denise Thomson got married in Edinburgh in 1670 and a Denise Obrain got married in Stirling in 1728. The problem is that that was the GROOM's name in both cases.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by I Forget (U15411209) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    This is the sort of thing that they could give out (adding the correct name, and changing the date, of course):

    ubuntuone.com/6IH4UG...

    If a contribution to this board gets read out do they let you know? They have our email address after all.

    Just asking because I rarely see the TV programme and all my contributions are ace so I have probably been read out loads of times 

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Reminds me of the Discworld Oath of the Night Watch -

    www.youtube.com/watc...

    At 02.19

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    I have just watched the programme.
    Well done BBC for admitting the chemistry errors but it is difficult to imagine such a basic mistake being made in an arts or history programme.
    James May needs to stick to what he is good at, playing Top Trumps with his superannuated Public schoolboy chums.
    Well done to St Madd, I had no idea you were Craig Charles in disguise.
    Complaints about dates so...more plugs for Merlin smiley - yikes.
    If you want a job on the BBC, possibly as a presenter with an O level in Chemistry, it helps to have a very unusual forename eg Denise (♂ only).

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    Posted by conion (U9432813) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    If you want a job on the BBC, possibly as a presenter with an O level in Chemistry, it helps to have a very unusual forename eg Denise (♂ only). 

    Some of my male ancestors were called "Florence", does that help? However, I have only an A-level GCE, not one of these new-fangled every-one-can-have-one A***** GCSEs.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    The chemistry error was perpetrated by the artists who created the graphics. That's ironic.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    I didn't understand the chap who complained that there were no new presenters and then produced the presenter of the Gold, Blue and White progammes who was new.

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Great name Mary-Anne smiley - ok, are you one of the Parsnip Junction Parsnips?

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    I didn't understand the chap who complained that there were no new presenters and then produced the presenter of the Gold, Blue and White progammes who was new.  I think he was saying "How do *I* get to go on holiday jollies AND get paid?"

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Well his forename (Allerick) fits the BBC profile, but what exactly was going on in his hair?

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    Posted by lluncoolj (U7676659) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    I think the man complaining about the lack of new talent had a point. The cited exception proved the rule inasmuch as he was suggested to the BBC by his students, not through any policy of the Corporation. My opinion is that the BBC use established names because a) it's easier than finding new talent, and b) they come with an established fan-base that may attract a bigger audience

    The consequence is that the work is not shared round, so the rich get richer and new talent remains unemployed.

    Radio 2 is the best example - the only 'new' presenters are snared from a list of well known names, i.e. Paul O'Grady, French and Saunders, Lisa Tarbuck, Chris Evans, Tim Rice, Stuart Copeland, Vanessa Feltz, Paul Jones, Barbara Windsor, Jamie Callum, etc., etc.

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    Posted by Harry Stottle (U14718457) on Sunday, 7th October 2012

    Didn't watch it today. Sooo tired of being patronized smiley - erm

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Since my post wasmisquoted on the POV of 30th October (If the BBC or anyone here can show me the post where I suggested scrapping BBC 3 and BBC 4 in favour of a sports channel, I would be much obliged) and since others seem to have had similar experiences; I have come to the conclusion that the POV programme staff decides which programmes need to be plugged and policies justified and our messages are chosen and edited accordingly.

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    Posted by Phil-ap (U13637313) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    I think the man complaining about the lack of new talent had a point. The cited exception proved the rule inasmuch as he was suggested to the BBC by his students, not through any policy of the Corporation. My opinion is that the BBC use established names because a) it's easier than finding new talent, and b) they come with an established fan-base that may attract a bigger audience

    The consequence is that the work is not shared round, so the rich get richer and new talent remains unemployed.

    Radio 2 is the best example - the only 'new' presenters are snared from a list of well known names, i.e. Paul O'Grady, French and Saunders, Lisa Tarbuck, Chris Evans, Tim Rice, Stuart Copeland, Vanessa Feltz, Paul Jones, Barbara Windsor, Jamie Callum, etc., etc.  
    Surely new talent is emerging all the time. The Gold, Blue and White chap may have been suggested by his students but the BBC didn't have to use him. Lucy Worsley is another relative newcomer.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th October 2012


    If you'd like to watch the programme, it's online now here

    www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Dear Peta, is there any redress available for posters who feel they have been misquoted or misrepresented? I cannot recall ever suggesting that BBC 3 and 4 be scrapped in favour of a sports channel, even in jest. I did write a serious question to Lord Patten, am I likely to receive a response?

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    Posted by megamain (U12800305) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    I think the man complaining about the lack of new talent had a point. The cited exception proved the rule inasmuch as he was suggested to the BBC by his students, not through any policy of the Corporation. My opinion is that the BBC use established names because a) it's easier than finding new talent, and b) they come with an established fan-base that may attract a bigger audience

    The consequence is that the work is not shared round, so the rich get richer and new talent remains unemployed.

    Radio 2 is the best example - the only 'new' presenters are snared from a list of well known names, i.e. Paul O'Grady, French and Saunders, Lisa Tarbuck, Chris Evans, Tim Rice, Stuart Copeland, Vanessa Feltz, Paul Jones, Barbara Windsor, Jamie Callum, etc., etc.  
    Barbara Windsor??!

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th October 2012


    I can point it out to the Points of View team - if they did make a mistake and misquote you then I'm sure they'd be fine with me apologising on their behalf.

    Did you write to Lord Patten about being misquoted, or something else?

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Thanks Peta, I wrote to Lod Patten about BBC Olympic coverage.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th October 2012


    I expect you'll get a reply.

    You might also have considered giving feedback through the main feedback routes. Lord Patten is probably quite a busy chap, so it may take longer to get a reply if you email him directly.

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    Posted by St Maddenus Hairy Chested Hunk (U14314874) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    ARGH!

    Dear Points of View:

    Why oh why did you have to use that voice for me?

    May I suggest that if you are going to use our quotes from this board

    1) You email us so we can get all excited over it.

    2) Check if we have a preference for voice over.

    If we dont respond within 12 hours then take your pick of voices.

    But HOW do you decide what people sound like?

    Yours Faithfully,

    Disgrunted of saarth east London that in no way in HECK does he sound like a northerner.......



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    Posted by Technicolour (U4590479) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    ARGH!

    Dear Points of View:

    Why oh why did you have to use that voice for me?

    May I suggest that if you are going to use our quotes from this board

    1) You email us so we can get all excited over it.

    2) Check if we have a preference for voice over.

    If we dont respond within 12 hours then take your pick of voices.

    But HOW do you decide what people sound like?

    Yours Faithfully,

    Disgrunted of saarth east London that in no way in HECK does he sound like a northerner.......



     
    "If Northerners don't say what we want, it is necessary to invent them."

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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Peta, I sent an e-mail 'FAO Lord Patten' to pov@bbc.co.uk, as this is what I understood from your suggestions.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Peta, I sent an e-mail 'FAO Lord Patten' to pov@bbc.co.uk, as this is what I understood from your suggestions. 
    The Points of View team were collecting questions for Lord Patten in order for a selection of questions to be asked to Lord Patten in the POV programme.

    I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that all emails relating to him that were sent to the Points of View team would be forwarded onto him for a personal response, that's not the case.


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    Posted by germinator hebdo (U13411914) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Dear Peta, Thanks, I probably misunderstood your suggestion smiley - ok, hope you had a good weekend.

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    Posted by Peta (U24) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Dear Peta, Thanks, I probably misunderstood your suggestion smiley - ok, hope you had a good weekend. 
    Thanks!

    Yes, great weekend, very relaxing! smiley - ok

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by lluncoolj (U7676659) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    Barbara Windsor??! 

    Funny Girls, tonight , 10 O'Clock on Radio 2, and stands in for Elaine Page on Sundays.

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    Posted by maestaf (U14145694) on Monday, 8th October 2012

    I thought the BBC Manager's response to the chemistry error was appropriate and explained how the mistake arose rather than attempting to justify it. Any positive thoughts were quickly dispelled by the "Controller: Knowledge", (surely a candidate for most Orwellian job title ever), who told us that viewers "love and cherish" presenters. What planet are these people on? I suspect most people couldn't care less about Fiona Bruce, David Dimbleby et al and certainly don't entertain feelings about them more appropriate to a spouse.

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