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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by POV_host (U14570488) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Cycling? F1? Sport programmes?Sports coverage? Sport presenters? Discuss here only.

    For all sports programming discussions - designed to draw together the different themes within this area and make it easy for sports viewers to contribute your opinions.

    We would appreciate it if you could resist opening up new threads on BBC sport programming and please keep your discussions on topic because there are dedicated areas of the BBC to discuss sports news and the sports themselves.

    You can find information on this on the BBC Sport website: news.bbc.co.uk/sport...

    This discussion isn't the place to post if you would like to discuss the game or the match itself. Please go to the BBC Sports site to discuss sports.

    This is just for discussion of BBC sports programming - the way the programmes are presented and the presenters - not the game itself!

    Thank you

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    Posted by Peter de Meteor (U4368163) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Any chance of 'Late Kick Off' starting from the beginning of the next football season, rather than halfway through, as in the last 2 seasons?

    Or, is that what is meant by 'Late Kick Off'? smiley - erm

    . . . From The Asteroid Belt, Peter de Meteorsmiley - star

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    Posted by BlueTaz (U14716911) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Any chance of just admitting that you got your new draconian regime totally wrong and just going back to the original set up?

    Also, what about being able to discuss news programmes?

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by mummyfoo (U9651297) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Thanks POV_Host - a good compromise!

    Right, where was I about that Andrew Castle...Oh yes, he ruined the French Open final for me last Sunday - so please can he

    a)either take a back seat (ie just do inconsequential 'red button' matches/mixed doubles) during Wimbledon

    or

    b) can he not commentate at all?

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by billy_bumble (U14467942) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I am no great fan of the BBC but frankly I think that you have , within your financial constraints , got it just about right

    I am not all that fond of tennis but I am also not churlish enough to resent it when you devote whole afternoons to it - You do the same for golf and I appreciate that

    I also enjoy your F1 and MotoGP coverage - but no doubt I shall be shouted down without reason by some idiot on here who's name escapes me

    My one suggestion would be more cricket - but I do understand that that's not presently possible

    Please don't lose the Ashes though

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Hello pov-host. Altho' I am not the most enthusiastic of sports fans, that is the right call, well done.

    As Wimbledon is a one off popular event, would it be a good idea for it to have it's own thread to run for the duration of the tournament?

    Also one for the 2012 Olympics?

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by sparrow wagpie (U14588518) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    <quote.As Wimbledon is a one off popular event, would it be a good idea for it to have it's own thread to run for the duration of the tournament?</quote>

    Definitely a good idea for such a big event smiley - ok Hope it can be done...

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by billy_bumble (U14467942) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Hello pov-host. Altho' I am not the most enthusiastic of sports fans, that is the right call, well done.

    As Wimbledon is a one off popular event, would it be a good idea for it to have it's own thread to run for the duration of the tournament?

    Also one for the 2012 Olympics? 


    They would go OT within 10 posts and would have to be closed

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by holybeau the ickle bunny (U13700692) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Thanks POV_Host ,it's not ideal but a decent compromise.smiley - ok

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by GrouchoM (U14261501) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Thanks POV for taking posters seriously - pity the controller doesnt do same.

    Golf - I thought the PGA coverage at Wenworth was excellent - Allis, Brown & Cotter were very good in the commentary box.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by FreddieBird (U14751469) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Is this where we post about Rooney's hair transplant? smiley - winkeye

    On a serious note, will the BBC show some balls and refuse to show the 2011 Formula 1 Bahrain Grand Prix, if it goes ahead? It's an opinion shared by many including drivers and Mosley that the Grand Prix is being used "as part of the machinery to suppress the opposition in Bahrain".
    The Beeb are always keen to appear impartial and not take political sides, so surely showing the Bahrain Grand Prix would go against their impartiality rules and support the Bahrain government's crushing the opposition?

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Big Al (U1264852) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    The Beeb are always keen to appear impartial and not take political sides, so surely showing the Bahrain Grand Prix would go against their impartiality rules and support the Bahrain government's crushing the opposition? 

    But then wouldn't not showing the Grand Prix be taking the side of the protestors? In terms of impartiality, the BBC couldn't win either way.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Garrypenny (U9662607) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Now that we know who's going to win the F1 Championship, can we cancel the coverage of the rest of the season and show something interesting instead.

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    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 15

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    Posted by FreddieBird (U14751469) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    The Beeb are always keen to appear impartial and not take political sides, so surely showing the Bahrain Grand Prix would go against their impartiality rules and support the Bahrain government's crushing the opposition? 

    But then wouldn't not showing the Grand Prix be taking the side of the protestors? In terms of impartiality, the BBC couldn't win either way. 

    Then when they didn't show the Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza Appeal they were taking the side of Israel and approving their appalling treatment of the Palestinians?

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Big Al (U1264852) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    The Beeb are always keen to appear impartial and not take political sides, so surely showing the Bahrain Grand Prix would go against their impartiality rules and support the Bahrain government's crushing the opposition? 

    But then wouldn't not showing the Grand Prix be taking the side of the protestors? In terms of impartiality, the BBC couldn't win either way. 

    Then when they didn't show the Disasters Emergency Committee Gaza Appeal they were taking the side of Israel and approving their appalling treatment of the Palestinians?  


    To be honest, I don't feel qualified enough to comment on that, except so say that although the BBC is supposed to be impartial, examples like this show that it is almost impossible for it to be so.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by BlueTaz (U14716911) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    The Beeb are always keen to appear impartial and not take political sides, so surely showing the Bahrain Grand Prix would go against their impartiality rules and support the Bahrain government's crushing the opposition? 

    But then wouldn't not showing the Grand Prix be taking the side of the protestors? In terms of impartiality, the BBC couldn't win either way. 
    Maybe they could show the GP but, obscure the screen with OTT DOGs and red buttons.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by FreddieBird (U14751469) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    And when in doubt, always go along with the establishment. smiley - erm
    Also, there's a lot more than political considerations revolving around this, starting from the huge sums of money involved, but if they show the GP they will be seen as making a statement.

    My lunch hour is over, I'll come back later. If this thread is still here that is.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Any chance of just admitting that you got your new draconian regime totally wrong and just going back to the original set up?

    Also, what about being able to discuss news programmes? 


    I completely agree. This is a pretty silly compromise. I notice this has been started after one of the busiest sporting weekends of the summer, with many events on the BBC....

    ....and this is the problem. People will want to talk about the tennis, athletics, motor and horse racing, and maybe the cricket (the thread refers to "BBC Sport", and the cricket is on BBC radio) so you could have four or five discussions going on at once; message 35 may be a response to message 15, so this thread will probably become impossible to follow.

    Oh yes, anyone wanting a separate thread for Wimbledon (including me) is likely to be disappointed.

    All this on top of the closure of 606.

    PLEASE say what the problem is with separate threads.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Big Al (U1264852) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Ultimately, it looks increasing unlikely that it will happen anyway. It has been reported that Bernie has made a u-turn and written to the 12 teams asking them to convince the FIA to change the decision to race in Bahrain.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Peter de Meteor (U4368163) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Bernie Ecclestone looks like Andy Warhol.

    A bit.

    . . . From The Asteroid Belt, Peter de Meteorsmiley - star

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Chance Gardener (U8032897) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Thank you. It's better than nothing.

    Although I notice that just 15 posts into this 'Sports' thread, the Arab/Israeli conflict has reared its head! smiley - laugh

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by fox_at_midnight (U14258114) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011


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    Thanks POV Host. A good compromise (...... and nice to know you're reading us and take notice).

    Blue taz, if you're reading smiley - smiley. We had a conversation curtailed regarding the sharing of air time for sports - at the time, horse racing and tennis. The point I was making regarding football, was that with tennis and horse racing at least there was a winner - with winning points every few seconds in tennis and a winning horse at the end of every race. Football, unfortunately, can often go for 90 minutes with no goals scored therefore no winner which can be tiresome to view - hence my comment regarding "men chasing a ball about". It wasn't a criticism, just an observation smiley - smiley.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Peter de Meteor (U4368163) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I've seen some seriously thrilling 0-0 draws in my time - however, they were 'live'.

    Watching football on T.V., whoever's playing whom and whatever the score, mostly leaves me unmoved.

    . . . From The Asteroid Belt, Peter de Meteorsmiley - star

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Big Al (U1264852) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I've seen some seriously thrilling 0-0 draws in my time 

    At the Memorial Stadium?

    Are you sure?!

    smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by omega lexa (U14172975) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I don't think that this is a good compromise at all. Some of us have zero interest in reading countless posts about golf etc and I'm pretty sure that those who are, won't be interested in the tennis posts.

    Phrasmodic has asked why we can't have separate threads on different sports. Will we get a response? Fat chance.

    Oh yes, and remove Andrew Castle from the commentating team asap.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by ben6262 (U14723335) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    The point I was making regarding football, was that with tennis and horse racing at least there was a winner - with winning points every few seconds in tennis and a winning horse at the end of every race. Football, unfortunately, can often go for 90 minutes with no goals scored therefore no winner which can be tiresome to view - hence my comment regarding "men chasing a ball about". 

    Don't know much about football, do you? The goal, when it comes, it's the culmination of a balletic performance of shrewd tactics, physical skills and mental outplaying of the opponent. That's why they call it the beautiful game. The goal is the cherry on top, and not always needed to appreciate this game.
    But you sound like someone that would rather watch paint dry, I mean cricket and horse racing...

    Speaking of the devil, and as it's that time of the year, could we change the habit of a lifetime and cancel your Ascot schedule this year, or at least vastly reduce it? It's the most boring sport (non) event of the year, I mean who cares about such throwbacks to the days of the empire. Although today I understand it's more about chavs in fake tan and ridiculous rent-a-comment about rent-a-hats than toffs.

    Anyway, spare us. Please. Ta.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by fox_at_midnight (U14258114) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011


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    Could someone please remind Sue Barker that some of us ladies watch tennis *for the game* ..... not because of the male players' looks or what they're wearing or the length - or lack of - of their socks.

    She may, of course, have been joking but it came out as patronising.

    Am sorry if this makes me sound old and stuffy - neither of which I am - but I just want to watch the tennis with sensible commentary .... not a load of fluff.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by BlueTaz (U14716911) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Football, unfortunately, can often go for 90 minutes with no goals scored therefore no winner which can be tiresome to view - hence my comment regarding "men chasing a ball about".  

    Hi Fox,

    Thank you for your explanation. I can quite understand your viewpoint and often will feel the same sentiments. Some games can be extremely boring and, usually, these are the games that have been hyped up out of all proportion.

    My "irritation" at the comment about chasing a ball is, that it usual criticism from people who don't like and/or don't understand football. Rarely do you get the sort of vitriolic comments levied about other sport that football fans have to put up with.

    To a football fan, watching an exciting, evenly fought match, the goals are very often a bonus. The enjoyment can come from watching the skills of the player (try controlling and kicking a ball, it is not as easy as it looks), the near-misses, the finger-tip saves, the ongoing battle between opposing attackers and defenders, etc. These aspects are not always obvious to the casual observer - in much the same way that I do not always understand the subtleties of (say) snooker.

    To make my position clear, let me state that, on a personal level, I am not a great fan of sport of any kind on TV and very rarely watch any of it. I support my local team by going to the matches and although I recorded the last League Cup final (which my team won), I have yet to re-watch it.

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    Posted by ben6262 (U14723335) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    My "irritation" at the comment about chasing a ball is, that it usual criticism from people who don't like and/or don't understand football. Rarely do you get the sort of vitriolic comments levied about other sport that football fans have to put up with.

    To a football fan, watching an exciting, evenly fought match, the goals are very often a bonus. The enjoyment can come from watching the skills of the player (try controlling and kicking a ball, it is not as easy as it looks), the near-misses, the finger-tip saves, the ongoing battle between opposing attackers and defenders, etc. These aspects are not always obvious to the casual observer - in much the same way that I do not always understand the subtleties of (say) snooker. 


    Amen to that. So you can sling mud at football and make all the disparaging comments you want here, but make a comment about horse-racing and they jump down your throat. !!

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by counterblast (U14258320) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    inverdale just interviewed zola - and he didn't ask him about martin jol's appointment as new fulham manager. why not? he just asked stupid questions about footballers playing golf. zola is one of the very few people in the world who makes inverdale look average height.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Chance Gardener (U8032897) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Why exactly was my comment modded? I was merely pointing out to the person known as 'Ben' that backing a winner at Royal Ascot is an exhilarating adrenalin rush. And this gets modded.....

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by BlueTaz (U14716911) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Hidden  Once again, a response that is apparently replying to one of my posts haas been "triangled".

    I do wish the people who do this sort of thing had the courage to admit that they did it and explain why. How easy it is to hide behind the coward's veil of anonymity.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by fox_at_midnight (U14258114) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011


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    It was my response to you BlueTaz - a very polite one, I might add smiley - smiley.

    I will never understand the workings of these boards as I didn't see what was wrong with Chance Gardener's post either.

    Oh well. I hope you got to read it before it disappeared into the ether. I 've yet to receive an explanatory e-mail from the moderators - and it may yet be reinstated.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by holybeau the ickle bunny (U13700692) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Well my post seems to have been zapped so someone obviously doesn't like cricket.smiley - erm

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    Posted by POV_host (U14570488) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Hello,

    Can I please can I remind you that the thread was intended as a place to discuss BBC Sports programmes and issues and not for more general debate.

    To discuss sport with fans please visit blogs on the BBC Sport website.

    Please can I also remind users that individual moderation decisions will not be discussed on the messageboard. If anyone is subject to a moderation decision which they’re not happy with, please use the moderation appeals process outlined in the FAQs, rather than raising the issue on the board as it disrupts the conversation for other users.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I don't think that this is a good compromise at all. Some of us have zero interest in reading countless posts about golf etc and I'm pretty sure that those who are, won't be interested in the tennis posts.

    Phrasmodic has asked why we can't have separate threads on different sports. Will we get a response? Fat chance.

    Oh yes, and remove Andrew Castle from the commentating team asap. 
    Thanks for that. I am also sorry that there is already an element of "Why do you show that sport/event that I don't like" I loathe Royal Ascot, as I am not interested in fashion shows. However, I acknowledge that there are many who do like that sort of thing, and I wouldn't wish to deny them.

    NOTE TO HOST. Remember my comment about message 35 and message 15?

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by fox_at_midnight (U14258114) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011


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    And so we haven't even got to the end of the first page of this thread and already someone is playing silly idiots with the triangle. It will be closed at this rate.

    Holly I have *no* idea why your post has disappeared - could it have been that you'd given an "out" to one of the players? That's the only reason I can think of. Which is a weak one at that.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by ben6262 (U14723335) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Maybe it's because it was about a cricket match WHICH IS NOT EVEN BEING SHOWN ON THE BBC? smiley - doh

    This thread is going well, ay?

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by ben6262 (U14723335) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I am also sorry that there is already an element of "Why do you show that sport/event that I don't like" I loathe Royal Ascot, as I am not interested in fashion shows. However, I acknowledge that there are many who do like that sort of thing, and I wouldn't wish to deny them. 

    I don't want to deny anyone their enjoyment of anything, it's their boring choice. I just object to it if it means five days of wall to wall coverage of horse races (and horse faces) to the detriment of everybody else's enjoyment. Last year you could not get away from it, and half of it was not even about the racing but about fashion.

    I'd like to know how many people actually watch it, anyway. It's not that popular, I don't think. The BBC coverage of a sport should reflect its popularity, or we could end up watching the 3 weeks long Tiddlywinks Tournament from Scunthorpe.. smiley - laugh

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    Posted by Jol (U1706161) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Will we soon see a similar thread set up for all the "soaps" ?

    Why not just do away with the POV discussion board altogether ?
    The number of comments/threads appearing on this message board have dwindled rapidly, it would seem, since the noticeable hard-line approach on what is/isn't considered suitable.
    The fun has been squeezed out of this messageboard !

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Phrasmotic 4 August 2012 (U5509534) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    I am also sorry that there is already an element of "Why do you show that sport/event that I don't like" I loathe Royal Ascot, as I am not interested in fashion shows. However, I acknowledge that there are many who do like that sort of thing, and I wouldn't wish to deny them. 

    I don't want to deny anyone their enjoyment of anything, it's their boring choice. I just object to it if it means five days of wall to wall coverage of horse races (and horse faces) to the detriment of everybody else's enjoyment. Last year you could not get away from it, and half of it was not even about the racing but about fashion.

    I'd like to know how many people actually watch it, anyway. It's not that popular, I don't think. The BBC coverage of a sport should reflect its popularity, or we could end up watching the 3 weeks long Tiddlywinks Tournament from Scunthorpe.. smiley - laugh 


    It has been like that for as long as I remember. When I was supposed to be revising for O levels in 1973, I watched for the first time, and I didn't understand why the talk between races wasn't about the sport, but we got blanket coverage of what posh totty was wearing, complete with a "commentary" by Jean Rook, and then there was Gertrude Shilling. I hated it all, and since then I have wished for fog, snow, hail and rain to drench Royal Ascot, and for all the bad weather to have gone by Wimbledon....

    ....but I accept that there are others who do watch it for reasons nothing to do with the sport.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by holybeau the ickle bunny (U13700692) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Maybe it's because it was about a cricket match WHICH IS NOT EVEN BEING SHOWN ON THE BBC? smiley - doh

    This thread is going well, ay? 



    Point taken ben.smiley - doh Oh well there's always Ascot.smiley - sadface


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  • Message 50

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    Posted by ben6262 (U14723335) on Tuesday, 7th June 2011

    Maybe they could hire a pink limo, splash on some fake tan, squeeze themselves in an unsuitable and vulgar frock, invest in a private box for Ladies Day, gorge on all this plebeian fun, and leave us to enjoy normal schedules on TV?

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