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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Morning everyone – Since I joined your forces before Christmas it seems to me that there have been two regular issues which come up quite often.

    The first is that sometimes people don’t understand moderation decisions, which I know makes them a bit annoying for some folk. If you have a serious query then do email pov.hosts@bbc.co.uk and I’ll try and look into it – although please be sensible with what you send! There’s only me to go through it and I’m not on call all the time like our lovely mods, so be prepared to wait a little bit and only send things which are genuinely baffling. For those who do get annoyed, please do remember that mods are human, mistakes can be made and they’re here to help things carry on as smoothly as possible.

    The second is more meaty – the mighty topic of off topic!

    Quite a lot of people here have encouraged me to do something about the amount of off topic conversation (outside of the Green Room thread) which we have here. So today I’m going to try and start a new on topic era for us all!

    I’d like to try and explain why we have off topic rules here, as some people feel that it’s about censorship. Off topic rules are not about censorship, they’re about creating spaces which have clearly defined on topic issues. They should help us create focused, high quality spaces where the BBC’s audience can talk about things which concern them.

    I realise that what with TV being our topic here, that opens lots of grey areas as to what is and what isn’t on/off topic. So here are some guidelines for us all:

    - Talking about the actual topics in the news or brought up by a programme = off topic.
    Talking about the news programme itself is fine, but this isn’t the right place for talking about news topics. For example, today the Sri Lankan cricket team story is off topic here.

    - Issues concerning the broadcast of news on TV and actual programmes themselves = on topic.
    So for example talking about Top Gear’s Vietnam special is great, getting into details about current affairs around Vietnam or Vietnamese/American politics is off topic here.

    - Issues around people who are TV related, but aren’t actually talking about TV itself = off topic.
    So it’s fine to talk about The One Show for example, and also what losing Carol Thatcher from the programme meant, but the topic of her off air remarks is off topic here as it’s not actually about TV.

    So from now it would be great if you’d all try and stay on topic, I know sometimes it's difficult but if you see an original post which is way off topic, don't reply to it! I won’t close threads unless they carry on being off topic, and I’ll post a link to this comment where necessary. I really hope that this helps to create a more focused atmosphere for us all, and that you’ll be patient while we see how it goes. Thanks everyone!

    PS – Here’s the thread where we’ve talked about the above www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

  • Message 2

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by justpolina (U6637834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Rowan, I'm sorry but I don't support this.

    I'll try to stick by the rules but I think the definitions are way too narrow and will stultify debate, which after all is the only reason we're on here - noone is under any illusion it will make any difference.

    Is replying to this thread in itself off topic?

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  • Message 3

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by U13804688 (U13804688) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    glad to see this move isnt about censorship..d'oh (oops is commenting on your post on topic or not ??)
    ps has this idea came from discussions with nick reynolds ???

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  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Well done Rowan.

    Will the off topic threads in exsistence at the moment be closed? I've seen your gentle nudge on the Jade Goody thread, but fear it will be ignored as it has been previously.

    Replying to this thread bumps it up so it will stay at the top, for everyone to see.

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Nope, it's all mine (but at the request of quite a few members here). I don't think that we will become boring here, let's see how it goes, I'm not introducing a police state but hoping for more understanding and appreciation of on topic around the TV topic.

  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by justpolina (U6637834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I just hope the rules will be used wisely.... just smacks of Let's make this board so dull that everyone will leave and Nick can have his beastly blogs without interference.

    Another bump!

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by dalmatina (U13475252) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I know sometimes it's difficult but if you see an original post which is way off topic, don't reply to it! 

    So if it's off-topic AND inaccurate, we are not to challenge it?

    Some of what is posted is not stated as opinion, but as fact, and I do sometimes ask for a source, otherwise that's how myths are perpetuated.

    Sorry if this is off-topic ...

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  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    gizmomoo - I think that where topics continue in an off topic vein then I'll ask people to stop with a view to closure if people ignore it - does that sound sensible?

  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by starbuck (U10546834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    the mighty topic of off topic!  

    you mean, like that truly awful thread, the jade goody thread? not only has it got nothing to do with any tv programme, it has long ago become a slanging match not only against goody, but amongst posters, but the mods deem it is not fit for removal, despite numerous requests.
    it truly is a quite sickening thread.

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by jaydeelewis (U10539398) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I support what rowan has proposed, it sounds very reasonable.
    I hate it when threads become personal slanging matches about politics etc. smiley - ok

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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    dalmatina - Personally, as a poster rather than a host, I find the best way to deal with things which are inappropriate is to use the alert buttong - bring it to the mods attention and let it fall away without making into massive thing. It's just a suggestion really.

  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Is it completely unreasonable to ask for a Green Room Board?

    We've seen how popular (oft unwieldy and rapid) the Green Room Thread is. Could we not have a whole board for off topic stuff?

    Then the cricket thread could be moved there! smiley - biggrin

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Gizmomoo (U10999499) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    gizmomoo - I think that where topics continue in an off topic vein then I'll ask people to stop with a view to closure if people ignore it - does that sound sensible? 

    Yes it does sound sensible, however sometimes this board is not sensible. You've asked them a couple of times to get on topic there, and they are not. That thread NEVER fitted into your own discription of on topic, (neither does the Cricket thread, the feed the birds thread nor others). I think it may cause confusion if something is allowed to be off topic "for a bit".

    In the end though Rowan, it's a BBC board, you're the BBC host, the BBC sets the rules.

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  • Message 14

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I shall try and be as clear as possible then gizmomoo.

    Thanks for all of your thoughts, and support, I'll put forward the idea of an off topic board when the new plans start to take clearer shape.

  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Will you be dealing with spamming?

    Rickon (& Beamer before him) have started numerous threads on the same subject

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    rowan host
    I have noticed that the number of apparently one off posters who ask a question and then disappear seems to be on the increase.
    Some have their posts on the board almost immediately and are apprently not being in the usual new posters pre mod.
    I have seen at least three this moring.
    Can we please find out why?
    I am not saying that their posts shouldn't be allowed but I am suspicious as to who they are and why the rules apparently don't apply.
    If you want an example check out the OP on the Dominic Littlewood thread. Posted 16 hours ago and appeared 16 hours ago so if that person is new, no pre mod.
    Maybe the poster will return but if it follows the pattern of the others then I very much doubt it.

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I quite like Rowan's pervious take on off-topicness. She seemed to be relatively OK with it as long as it did not turn nasty - which neither the Cricket nor the Feed the Birds threads have done.

    I understand the need for rules. But a bit of leeway fosters openness and community spirit too.

    I'll just say again that a Points Askewesque Green Room Board would be a good way of getting EVERYTHING off topic off this board. That would, though, probably require an extra Host. any volunteers? smiley - smiley

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by Quizzimodo (U551071) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    'll put forward the idea of an off topic board 


    We had one.
    It was called "Points Askew" & it was closed.
    Cost presumably

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by TVMad (U1713371) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    A good move Rowan, but how will this handle those posters who stay on topic yet are obviously trolls/wind-up merchants who have nothing better to do than de-rail a thread?

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 16.

    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Rowanhost
    Here's another classic example and anything to do with JR should have been moderated.
    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by U13804688 (U13804688) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    rowan (lovely name by the way)
    sadly due to the history of the bbc censoring and dismanteling what used to be a wonderfully vibrant selection of messageboards this is just another step in that direction.
    sadly your name will just be added to many bbc employees like chris russell et al who have contributed to neutering and censoring discussion..which as a public broadcaster is so sad...

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by starbuck (U10546834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    yes, no?
    smiley - erm

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by Nick Knight (U1390196) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I agree with mulders_scully. I don't think the Goody thread should get any more warnings. Please just close it NOW!

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by Rickon (U13765340) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Will you be dealing with spamming? Rickon (& Beamer before him) have started numerous threads on the same subject  Why

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Rowan, how about an off-topic news discussion thread, to go with the Green Room chat one? Where we could go to discuss the issues raised by tv programmes, but not stick to talking about the programmes themselves.

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by Rickon (U13765340) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    blow, clicked reply before I finished.

    Why do you keep saying that? I really do not understand?

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by justpolina (U6637834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Nope, it's all mine (but at the request of quite a few members here). I don't think that we will become boring here, let's see how it goes, I'm not introducing a police state but hoping for more understanding and appreciation of on topic around the TV topic. 

    Sorry, Rowan, posts crossed.

    Good luck with it - as you say, let's see how it goes. I appreciate the intention but I hope it's going to be implemented with sense and some latitude to stop it stagnating. I'm sure you will do....

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  • Message 28

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by onmyiPad (U13182464) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I would have thought it was very simple, remove all posts/threads that have nothing to do with television. People will soon get the message.

    You could start with closing down "the green room" which does nothing to enhance this messageboard, in my opinion it fosters a them & us mentality between members who've been here a while and new members.

    The green room is nothing more than a clubhouse, complete with membership.

    The Jade Goody thread is a little more difficult, she is a "reality star" so the thread should stay open, maybe just keep on top of the individual posts.

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  • Message 29

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    onmyiphone
    I would have thought it was very simple, remove all posts/threads that have nothing to do with television. People will soon get the message.
     

    I agree

    The green room is nothing more than a clubhouse, complete with membership.
     

    I disagree

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  • Message 30

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by justpolina (U6637834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Considering absolutely anyone can join in I can't see how it fosters a them and us mentality. Plenty of people don't contribute to it but do so to the rest of the board!

    The idea of an off topic board I think is a good one.

    The trouble with the Hit The Alert Button approach is that (a) it takes too long, (b) it it allows the person concerned to feel martyred and censored whereas if their argument has no merit that will be exposed on here soon enough. I've never used it - I don't believe in responding indirectly to things I think are wrong or that should be challenged.

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  • Message 31

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Balls, anyone can post on the Green Room, and anyone can choose to ignore it if they don't want to.

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  • Message 32

    , in reply to message 28.

    Posted by starbuck (U10546834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    she is a "reality star" so the thread should stay open 

    yes, but the bile aimed at her and between the posters is disgusting. im no goody fan, but it truly is an awful thread, yet keeps open. i have been on this board for a while, and if a 'celeb' is being discussed outside of any fathamable programme, and is getting personal insults thrown their way, the posts and most times, the threads are closed. but for some reason, this particular one remains open.

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  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 32.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    RozKing – The poster in question isn’t new enough to still be in pre-moderation – all new posters are in pre-mod for a while though. In general I think that when you think a poster is winding you up the easiest way to make it go away is ignore it – if nobody replies then wind ups will go away. If they break house rules then alert them to the mods.

    Sparkysson – I’m so sorry to hear that’s what you think – can I interest you in sticking around and just seeing whether I have neutered the fun here?

    I can’t start a new board for you all – but we could talk about collectively agreeing another off topic thread. Personally I don’t think that this is the place for news as discussion about news affairs on bbc.co.uk should be done in specific places where there is a suitable host who can ensure high quality discussion – I’m not from news!
    Here’s an idea – how about having:
    **The Green Room – for general off topic chat – if some of you feel that it’s a bit of a club house maybe we should open a new chat thread and close that one, just to refresh it and invite a few more faces in there.
    **A weekly discussion thread – not current affairs but a topic of your choice – I know the message board doesn’t have perfect functionality for doing it, but I reckon deciding a topic and giving it a week’s window could be interesting…

  • Message 34

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    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    onmyiphone
    The Jade Goody thread is a little more difficult, she is a "reality star" so the thread should stay open, maybe just keep on top of the individual posts.
     

    Why?
    A discussion about a reality TV person is not television and the thread is off topic.
    There are some very nasty comments about a person the posters have never met and it really should have beeen closed long ago.

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  • Message 35

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Alf Hartigan (U2277114) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Tue, 03 Mar 2009 13:07 GMT, in reply to rowan host in message 1

    They should help us create focused, high quality spaces where the BBC’s audience can talk about things which concern them. 

    No mention made of non-BBC programmes; Midsomer Murders, Ballykissangel, Coronation Street, Emmerdale, Countdown, et al.

    Are these now off topic?

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  • Message 36

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by rowan (U199016) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I thought I'd leave those for the moment Alf Hartigan. As you know, at some point a new host is going to be coming your way, and I thought that this is the type of thing which should be dealt with in closer connection to the POV programme itself by that person.

  • Message 37

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Or maybe having a discussion thread with several topics being discussed simultaneously?

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  • Message 38

    , in reply to message 33.

    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    rowan host
    RozKing – The poster in question isn’t new enough to still be in pre-moderation – all new posters are in pre-mod for a while though. In general I think that when you think a poster is winding you up the easiest way to make it go away is ignore it – if nobody replies then wind ups will go away. If they break house rules then alert them to the mods.
     

    Thank you Rowanhost.
    Of course I have no way of knowing if a poster is new but if it's a name I don't recall and there was only the one post then I think it's fair to assume they are new. The JR radio one was clearly an attempt to disrupt the board and should have been moderated.
    I do try to ignore them but just find them very suspicious.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by TVMad (U1713371) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    RozKing – The poster in question isn’t new enough to still be in pre-moderation – all new posters are in pre-mod for a while though. In general I think that when you think a poster is winding you up the easiest way to make it go away is ignore it – if nobody replies then wind ups will go away. If they break house rules then alert them to the mods. 

    Tha't s pretty standard cop-out on a few other messageboards that I've visited - if a poster is obviously winding others up yet is still sticking to the 'house rules' then it seems they are invulnerable to moderation. Posters like Rickon run roughshod over your rules by using this tactic.

    Ignore them you say? Not so easy - if I was in the same room as Rickon and he was winding up myself and others then ignoring him most certainly wouldn't be an option.

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  • Message 40

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by fox-sparkling-with-joy-at-midnight (U6917812) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Rowan, I appreciate the whole "on/off topic" debate - but often when a topic comes along it jogs the memory of posters into little asides which are often quite amusing and jog your own memory. What does spoil this board, for me anyway, are the numbers of posts that are really quite vindictive and vitriolic where posters hide behind their pseudonyms while being rude and offensive to others who don't share their particular point of view, often resorting to name calling.

    Having the "alert" button means that these posts eventually disappear, if the mods agree, but often they are out there and read and "things said cannot be unsaid" .... if you get my drift.

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  • Message 41

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by justpolina (U6637834) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    They're all lovely ideas, rowan, and I really do appreciate the thought you're giving to it, but it's too much like school - and sadly I left FAR too long ago to find the thought of being allowed a free discussion time on a topic of teacher's choosing wildly stimulating. It's all a bit Auntie Knows Best for me.

    I understand it's not in your power to provide us with a new board - tsk tsk, BBC, you should never have closed down the old one.

    I'm all for treating us like adults and give a bit of latitude when people are being adult, and treat us like children when the behaviour is only fit for the playground.

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  • Message 42

    , in reply to message 34.

    Posted by 3 mins twiddling my thumbs (U10887239) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    A discussion about a reality TV person is not television  Yes it is, RozKing - there are still messages debating whether Goody's story should be on telly, or is she taking advantage of viewers.

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  • Message 43

    , in reply to message 39.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Ignore them you say? Not so easy - if I was in the same room as Rickon and he was winding up myself and others then ignoring him most certainly wouldn't be an option. 


    Yes, but you're not, you're on a messageboard. I don't understand why people on here get obsessed with "WUM"s, just ignore them or respond in kind.

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  • Message 44

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Any timeframe for when we get the new Host, Rowan?

    This seems to be tying in with Nick's thread on the Online Board - trying to decide just exactly what this board in particular is FOR.

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  • Message 45

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    3 minutes is a long time in messaging

    A discussion about a reality TV person is not television
    Quoted from this message



    Yes it is, RozKing - there are still messages debating whether Goody's story should be on telly, or is she taking advantage of viewers.
     


    We will have to agree to disagree on that. It may have started out about the TV coverage but the last time I looked it semed to be more about the characters and some posters were being downright nasty.

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  • Message 46

    , in reply to message 29.

    Posted by TimeTeam - sponsored by The Orange Snake (U8837552) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    The green room is nothing more than a clubhouse, complete with membership.  I would have said more like a 'school playground' where you can only get into the 'gang' if you frequent certain other long running topics...

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  • Message 47

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    Well, you would have been wrong.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by SometimesInvisiblePoster (U9636067) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    muskadash

    Well, you would have been wrong.
     

    Musky smiley - ok smiley - ok smiley - ok
    (Please can I be in your gang?) smiley - laugh

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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 46.

    Posted by onmyiPad (U13182464) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    I'm not using this tread to bash any other posters, but the green room has become a clubhouse and to suggest you "join in" would be akin to walking into a pub, walking up to a crowded table and shouting at the top of your voice.

    COME AND SPEAK TO ME!

    smiley - smiley

    There are quite a few threads that could be closed before the Jade Goody one.

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  • Message 50

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Tuesday, 3rd March 2009

    If you like....smiley - biggrin

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