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Message 81 - posted by riverbank
(U2851836)
, Jan 7, 2009
Yes, I'd better just clarify my comment about the leopard was a joke, in case it gets logged as an insult!
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Message 82 - posted by Faye Tsar
(U1683210)
, Jan 7, 2009
Spot on with your comments Faye !  Quoted from
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Thanks Curmy and a belated Happy New Year to my fellow <irony> *Forces* *Of* *Darkness* </irony> and everyone else too!
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Message 83 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
Faye Twitters are a dreadful place. I too, had a wee giggle at the "Forces of Darkness" twitter.   I think that Twitters could turn into a very dangerous place. I have already posted (on Nippie's thread), that Nick has very poor online security. All you have to do is read his Twitters, and he posts where he is going to be, when he will be there, how he is getting there, his interaction with his family....... Nick, as I have pleaded before, will you please show more sense online (and that includes Twittering). YOU may think that it is harmless fun, BUT, you are being VERY careless with personal information. I've had to stop looking at your Twitter to post links, simply BECAUSE, I don't want to link to any area where your personal details are.  This is a reply to this message
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Message 84 - posted by Nick Reynolds
(U11648404)
, Jan 7, 2009
Actually I am quite careful about how much personal detail I reveal.
The trouble is that if I don't tell you what I'm doing then you are only left with your preconcieved ideas about who I am and what I'm doing (i.e. the misconception expressed in one comment that I'm some kind of Notting Hill Tarquin luvvie who drinks frappachino lazing around in a dressing gown rather than the harrassed middle aged commuter that I actually am)
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Message 85 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
Nick We are going round and round in circles with this. YOU WILL NOT post about MESSAGEBOARDS, on a MESSAGEBOARD, and WE don't want to come to YOUR BLOG. I'm definitely NOT going into there again (other than to post links for other posters). I think that we have NOW reached the stage where, I think we shall have to complain to BBC about your behaviour, which is tantamount to WUMing. The reason I now feel this is necessary, is quite simple. In all the years that I have been posting to BBC POV messageboards, I have NEVER pressed the "Complain" button (even when a posting was asking me to do something biologically impossible). BUT, Nick, what you are doing is the equivalent of posting WUM comments from the invincibility of power. If you were an ordinary poster, we could (and believe me we WOULD) simply press the "Complain" button, and leave it to the moderation team to pull your post(s), and close your account. I can't press the "Complain" button in this instance, as the moderation team are employed by a company OUTWITH BBC, and so have NO power to deal with complaints about the behaviour of a member of BBC on the messageboards. ALSO, given your "position", in the BBC Hierarchy it would probably have to be someone "superior" to you. DOZENS of posters to these boards DO have a problem with your attitude to messageboards, and the fact that you are NOT listening to your community. www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...and in reverse order YOUR blogs, where messageboarders say THEY want to discuss MESSAGEBOARDS on a MESSAGEBOARD, NOT YOUR blog. www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...I'm not going to waste any more time looking for more links (I know you like linking), as there are more than enough DIFFERENT posters complaining in the above links. AND STILL YOU IGNORE OUR WISHES, in preference to YOUR OWN. And to bring this posting back on topic...... THIS whole incident of you joining the messageboards shows up the failing of BBC Messageboards (you ARE asking for input about how to improve the messageboards). We CAN press the "Complain" button to report WUMs/offensive postings, but, for the reasons listed above, we CAN'T press the "Complain" button to complain about a member of BBC staff (in YOUR case, THE ONE IN CHARGE). There SHOULD be a link ON the messageboards to a link to take you to where to "Complain" in those instances (not the Complaints section, which as other posters are constantly complaining, you just get a set response, BUT directly to the person who IS in charge of staff who are running the messageboards). Would Seetha Kumar be the right person for us to "Press the COMPLAIN button to"? Or, is it someone else? Thank you in anticipation. This is a reply to this message
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Message 86 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
Actually I am quite careful about how much personal detail I reveal.Quoted from
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Actually NO, Nick, you ARE NOT careful. Your Twitters have names, locations, times etc You are very cavalier with details. As I say, I have deliberately stopped looking at your twitters, because, I am amazed at the information you give (Wall-e needs hankies  ), emotional moods, how your family reacted to various things, comments about your human basic needs etc. For goodness sake Nick, don't just "TALK" - "THINK". The trouble is that if I don't tell you what I'm doing then you are only left with your preconcieved ideas about who I am and what I'm doing (i.e. the misconception expressed in one comment that I'm some kind of Notting Hill Tarquin luvvie who drinks frappachino lazing around in a dressing gown rather than the harrassed middle aged commuter that I actually am)Quoted from
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Link please Anyway, I have seen similar comments on blogs you frequent - so perhaps you are GIVING THAT IMPRESSION. AND it shouldn't matter to you, what people think of you. I couldn't care less what people think of me, and, as I say, have NEVER pressed the "Complain" button even when posters have made personal comments. Just why is it important to you, that we KNOW you? Regardless Nick - we DO NOT NEED to know ANYTHING about you. YOU are a HOST/IN CHARGE. Unless you post to the messageboards we are highly unlikely to have much more "communication" with you, so, whether you are twittering/flickring/blogging whilst on the train, or listening to John Lee Hooker or "dumping" your brain, it matters not a jot to us. It seems important to YOU that everyone know everything about every aspect of life. NO.
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Message 87 - posted by riverbank
(U2851836)
, Jan 7, 2009
We just want to feel we're being listened to, and our views taken into proper consideration. That's all it is, really.
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Message 88 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
By the way, I too like John Lee Hooker, Metal music and Golden Earring, but not so keen on Bachman Turner Overdrive. By the way, slightly offended by the comment about Kiev as I am closely related to someone from there. Nick, if I was you, I would edit your Twitter (is that possible) to remove personal details/location/time/personal feelings. Which brings me to the messageboards. An "edit" facility WOULD be useful. This is a reply to this message
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Message 89 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
riverbank We just want to feel we're being listened to, and our views taken into proper consideration. That's all it is, really.Quoted from
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The following link, says it all really, and interesting comments from Nick www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...This 3 minute rule is a pain. This is a reply to this message
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Message 90 - posted by riverbank
(U2851836)
, Jan 7, 2009
I've just choked on my tea at paragraph 5.
To deal with Nick's later points, yes, blogs can be powerful. I run a lay-scientific one, collecting evidence about a certain issue. I've been contacted by councils and unversities and all kinds of interested parties, and often find myself linked to from academic sites. I managed, in a very small, local way, to get a large UK company to change its policy to a more environmental one.
But the power of blogs doesn't really have a bearing on the function of messageboards. They're doing different things. Which is better: a staircase or a ladder? Well, you want a staircase in your house, but if your cat's stuck up a tree or you need to clean your window...
Incidentally, I always reply to comments left on my blog. I consider it bloomin' rude not to.
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Message 91 - posted by Nippie Sweetie
(U8747614)
, Jan 7, 2009
Right (rollssleevesuptypesmiley) 1. Nick, you originally posted on the bbc.co.uk board, which is "For discussions about bbc.co.uk content, search and message boards." Your blog is about the messageboards, therefore it is in the correct place. I posted a link on the Television board in order to generate interest on the subject. I requested the indulgence of the hosts/mods to let it remain there, despite me knowing it is not about television and I am pleased that they have let it remain where it is. 2. I think we are ALL going round in circles just now, bickering about where the link should be, different communication styles, different WAYS of communicating, "you said, he said, she said" type stuff. Well, enough!  Can't we PLEASE just start again, with EVERYONE minding their manners and assisting each other. This means not giving Nick such a hard time, because that's the way I'm now beggining to see it and Nick, for you to be more communicative with us, be more open etc. And if the end result is the closure of the POV boards, well so be it. The mood on the boards is leaving a nasty taste in my mouth at the moment. I think part of the problem is, and I'm sure I've said this before, but we have been hostless for several months and during that time (actually, even before it, because Lee avoided the boards as much as he could before he unvolunteered) there has been SOOOOOOOO many Wind Up Merchants / journalists disrupting the boards and it's still going on!!!! This may go some way towards explaining some of the animosity you have been receiving Nick. Anyway, rant over, as you were folks.  This is a reply to this message
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Message 92 - posted by Nick Reynolds
(U11648404)
, Jan 7, 2009
Let me just say that I am listening and reading your comments. And I am learning useful things from the conversation we are having (although I still think I am learning more from the blog comments than from the message board threads). I'm slightly baffled by the idea that I am a WUM. What is it I am doing which is so terrible? I am talking to you. I'm just not always agreeing with you. If someone has an impression about me which is false when surely I have the right to try and correct it. And the only way to do that is by being more personal (within reason). E.G. John Lee Hooker is always great even when he's not. I've just published a new blog post by the way: www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...This is a reply to this message
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Message 93 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
riverbank Nippie I too came to the conclusion that we can continue going round and round forever. I offered Nick the hand of reconciliation, and hoped we could move on. I'm prepared to back off for the meantime to see if this can be resolved with BOTH sides trying to see the other's point of view. I see Nick has now posted his latest blog, and, really, I suppose the proof will be in how many messageboarders choose to go over there and post to Nick's blog. Must say I think wasting a blog on MY Questions and Nick's answers is a wee bit indulgent. MANY posters had VERY valid questions, and to now have TWO blogs, where it is mainly Nick and ME, is NOT what messageboarding is about. God help us, we are turning into The Two Ronnies, or Morecambe and Wise, but without the humour.  I want co-authorship of THAT NEW blog Nick (and co-modding rights) Nick, I am asking again, can we please ALL move on, leave behind the anger/misunderstandings/hurt feelings and TRY to do what is RIGHT for POV Messageboards and messageboarders. We want improvements to the boards every bit as much as you do, BUT, please may we discuss this ON THE MESSAGEBOARDS. This is a reply to this message
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Message 94 - posted by Nick Reynolds
(U11648404)
, Jan 7, 2009
I've not stopped you discussing it on the message boards. I would just prefer it if you left comments on the blog please.
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Message 95 - posted by Hark the Herald Angelicweeyin
(U5849806)
, Jan 7, 2009
Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:41 GMT, in reply to NickReynolds in message 94
Nick will you put some input into our discussions on the MB then?
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Message 96 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
Nick I am going to answer your question. I'm slightly baffled by the idea that I am a WUM. What is it I am doing which is so terrible?
I am talking to you. I'm just not always agreeing with you.Quoted from
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A WUM is someone who comes onto the messageboards and either posts the same posting over and over/insults people (you have not) OR posts comments which wind other posters up. Posters CAN hold strong opinions, and post THOSE views AND stand up for THOSE opinions. A poster BECOMES a WUM, when they are being told by lots of messageboarders that they are a) winding up posters, b) holding opinions which other posters find offensive/at odds with majority opinion, c) Determined to be DIFFERENT for the sake of it, d) Determined to hold THEIR view, and continue to post THAT view, even when it is upsetting others. You ARE talking to us, BUT what you are NOT doing is LISTENING. We WANT to talk about MESSAGEBOARDS (lots of us), and YOU (one person) want to talk on YOUR blog. Why not meet us half-way, and post your NEXT "blog"/article ON THIS MESSAGEBOARD. THAT way, we will have come over to YOUR blog, and YOU will have come over to OUR Messageboards. I think that seems fair. This is a reply to this message
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Message 97 - posted by niclaramartin
(U1621265)
, Jan 7, 2009
I've not stopped you discussing it on the message boards. I would just prefer it if you left comments on the blog pleaseQuoted from
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Thank you for the invite, but NO THANK YOU. As an aside NEITHER you or Tom have come back with the outcomes/progress of our feedback in how the Messageboards could be improved. Any timescale for THAT information? Thanks
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Message 98 - posted by cricket-Angel "twinkly lights" Lightman
(U3382697)
, Jan 7, 2009
Nick said in the latest blog that he would be speaking about improvements in the NEXT blog ... No timeframe for that, though.
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Message 99 - posted by Curmy
(U10228939)
, Jan 7, 2009
I've not stopped you discussing it on the message boards. I would just prefer it if you left comments on the blog please.Quoted from
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(SIGH) I think I'm losing the will to live here  Please can't you meet us half way Nick ?
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Message 100 - posted by OfficerDibble
(U1158251)
, Jan 7, 2009
Doh!
The one way I have of seeing if Nick has responded to his blog is seeing if there are any comments added to the one I am subscribed to. Instead he starts a new blog! No link from his other three blogs on the same subject. This is hardly joined up thinking.
This is ridiculous... and we know nothing more than we did 4 weeks ago.
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