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    Posted by Hermes (U3287665) on Saturday, 26th July 2036

    Ultaviolet was better than good!
    Great cast too, especially Corin Redgrave and Idris Elba.

    Anyone recall The Omega Factor from the late 70s? James Hazledine and Louise Jameson. It's the kind of science fiction drama which British TV used to do well, more Philip K. Dick and Moorcock that Buck Rogers and Star Trek, full of paranoia and shadows, maybe-conspiracies and subterfuge. Mary Whitehouse hated it, always a good sign.

    There's a parallel-timeline, counter-history science fiction novel by Gregory Benford which, when I first read it, I thought would make a great TV drama, I think it's called Timeshift (it's been a while, so I could have that wrong), and more recently, I read Stephen Baxter's 'Time's Tapestry' sequence, comprising 4 novels in the counter-history mould, which I also thought could lend themselves to adaptation. The trouble is, unless they collaborate, TV companies are reluctant to take on these kinds of project without being reasonably sure an audience already exists, they won't allow time for one to build. And collaboration between corporations means deals and compromise, trade-offs and dilutions; you get story-telling by committee.

    And yes, Outcasts was a sorry failure. Weakly conceived and under-developed, poorly-written and clumsily cast. It deserved its fate.

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    Posted by Hermes (U3287665) on Saturday, 26th July 2036

    Damn this aging memory!

    The Gregory Benford novel was Timescape.

    He's written a number of 'hard' science fiction novels, often only a short step away from present-day scientific endeavour. Well worth checking out.

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    Posted by argtndgo (U15241188) on Saturday, 26th July 2036

    P.T., I'm sorry I missed responding to you earlier. One of the things a lot of my friend's and I tend to do because of like backgrounds in Law Enforcement, Military, and even business with ISO we use the first letter or letters of things to abbreviate. It doesn't mean we are illiterate, it is just an accepted simpler way to write things among people that understand the topic of choice.

    For instance, since I live in California I would never write S.F. for Science Fiction because San Francisco is not that far away from us. Si Fi my friends all know as Science Fiction. I did type SI FY...that is called doing two things at once and not spell checking. Sorry it caused you to feel baffled or behind the times. Just a different locals way of doing something. Exactly how Americans have changed up the English language from England.

    My kids get a huge laugh out of this ;-) they say only really old people and nerds do it like that. This ;) is the proper way of doing it. Oh well!!! I guess I am old...and I have a nose.

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    Posted by Prophet Tenebrae (U5995226) on Saturday, 26th July 2036

    I liked Outcasts. In fact I'd go so far as to say it was better than Terra Nova, which I stuck with till the end but found disappointing. 
    That's a lot like saying that pancreatic cancer is better than bone cancer - they're both awful and really, no one wants either of them.

    Ultraviolet was good, so was Blakes 7, or, going back in time, the Quatermass stuff. It's not true that UK TV can't do OK SF - it's that it doesn't WANT to do it. I think people over here think it's going to be hugely expensive - but we know it needn't be. SF can be made in one room, with one person, if you get the right idea. 
    Ha! Good luck trying to sell an idea like that idea - I can just picture the look of total incomprehension on the faces of the TV executives when you tell them that there AREN'T going to be big explosions and laser beams.

    We live in an age where even Doctor Who has sunk to the level of flatulent aliens, the notion of something winning over the dullards that commission stuff with a well written and good idea strikes me as improbable.

    Not to mention that these days, these kind of projects can get knocked out by people on the internets - there are a LOT of really awesome videos and short films on sci-fi, it's just clear there's no appetite amongst the boring and risk averse TV executives in the UK.

    I suppose in that regard, one should credit the BBC for green lighting Outcasts - it's a shame that they apparently did it before a single page of it was written and that every page that was written was utter rubbish. Nice to see the commander landed himself a role on Game of Thrones though.

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