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    Posted by Daryl Millar (U1369112) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    So we have an answer about why the BBC uses channel logos (Digital Onscreen Graphics or DOGs) on its digital channels. Apparently, it's because the vast majority of people don't know which channel they are watching and so need a reminder. Despite the fact that almost all set-top boxes display the channel and programme info whenever you change channel. Plus, this information is always available at the touch of a button.

    I guess this means that BBC1 and BBC2 will have channel logos once analogue is switched off. I, for one, do not want logos on the main BBC channels (or, preferably, on any channel).

    I would be perfectly happy if I was given the choice and could remove the logo at the touch of a button. Much as I can remove the 'red button' logo by pressing the green button on my remote control. But even with the most up-to-date digital technology this seems to beyond the power of the BBC.

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    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    The benefits for the vast majority of people who somehow have no idea what channel they've turned onto outweigh the complaints of the small number of people who are aware of it, apparently.

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    This was a pathetic cop-out.I know what channel I'm watching,and even if I didn't I only have to press the enter button on my Sky remote and it comes up on screen.

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    Posted by dreaded_eddie (U1490485) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    a rubbish excuse - glad I dont have a flat screen telly with a DOG burnt into the corner

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    Posted by Surabaya Johnny (U1163609) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    What utter nonsense from the BBC marketing person, as usual! DOGs offer absolutely NIL benefit to viewers, and they know it.

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    Posted by princessboobear (U7312089) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    Nice to know the BBC concider its viewers to thick to press a button or even remember which channel they turned on. How patronising was that woman????????

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    Posted by muskadash (U1988820) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    Nice to hear that it's done solely for the benefit of the viewers, and has nothing to do with the commercial companies using them.

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    Posted by Sploink (U9993613) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    Yeh, I really liked the advice to turn the brightness down so the DOG wouldn't burn the screen. So you end up with a dim picture AND a DOG!

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    Posted by EggOnAStilt (U7111730) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    Another brush off.
    I found the explanation pathetic.

    Soon as you want to change a channel, or know which one you are watching, you instantly get told where you are using any modern piece of equipment.

    I think the answer given would be enough to suit the intelligence of a four year old, it does not suit me, nor many others, so it seems.

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    I reckon they are there to deter people from recording things and try and force them to buy a DVD instead.

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    Posted by Surabaya Johnny (U1163609) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    //I reckon they are there to deter people from recording things and try and force them to buy a DVD instead.//

    In that case they'd be on terrestrial channels too, and they wouldn't bother to put them on during non-BBC programmes!

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    Posted by U1158320 (U1158320) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    I thought Martin could've been cloned from my own DNA if I knowingly had children, given his views on logos.

    And if I was to say what I really thought about the two people on POV today who responded to such complaints, then they wouldn't make it past the swear filter.

    Apart from the fact that any digibox (since they mentioned digital channels) tells you instantly what channel you're watching - which makes these logos redundant (along with 'ALL NEW' for a show that's.. er... new).

    First up was Helen Kellie, head of BBC Marketing, telling us that the DOGs are a really useful tool. <doh>

    Well, Helen, what you said really spoke to me, because "tool" was exactly the word that sprang to mind(!)

    I've heard more convincing arguments about the economy in the past week from Gordon Brown than I just heard from that woman. She is an insult to broadcasting and on a par with Claire Wildey and her famous arrogance.

    Oh, and then we had Richard Salmon, Senior Technologist, who also made me <steam>

    He told us to reduce burn-in by moving the logo very slightly. Well, apart from the fact that most of them are static, you're still talking utter crap because if you move it slightly to one side then a lot of the pixels will still be the same colour as most of them are plain white, with the BBC in inverted blocks.

    And about telling us to reduce the brightness so you can't see the image as brightly... er.. what the hell do you think we're watching all day - The X-Files(?)

    Here's MY tip for you, Dicky, SWITCH OFF YOUR BLOODY DOG MACHINE! Got it? Good!

    And mine certainly wasn't set up for "showroom use at maximum brightness". It has many settings including "home" and "shop" to start with, which is why you can't judge the full performance of these things by having a quick look in your local electrical retailer.

    (and relax)

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    Yeh, I really liked the advice to turn the brightness down so the DOG wouldn't burn the screen. So you end up with a dim picture AND a DOG! 


    So far, we've got a dim broadcaster!

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    Posted by Monty Burns (U7868864) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    They have that annoying red button thing on BBC channels and when we are all forced to go digital there will be no escape.I don't actually see what the point is because if you press the red button during a programme(like they sometimes tell you to)then you miss the rest of the programme you were watching.I also want to know why we don't have proper teletext on digital BBC.ITV seem to able to provide it.

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    Posted by cricket-Angel Baratheon (U3382697) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    I'll just cut and paste my post from the other thread, because that POV answer was *really* patronising!

    That annoying DOG lady really p***ed me off.

    "We respect and understand the minority view that they are annoying, but we feel they're neccessary for people to navigate their way around digital TV and to know what channel they're on" [sic]

    <steam>

    Now, I've only ever had Sky, so I don't know how other digital providers help out their viewers with regards to "navigation" - ie. channel hopping. But the Sky remote gives you the channel you're on, the programme you're watching, the time it will finish, the time itself, and the next programme.

    So no, thankyou missie, I do not need your blinking DOGs to help me channel hop.

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    <grr>

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    Posted by CR߀RS (U7723425) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    What a patronising load of old tosh. How insulting to be told on POV that we are to thick to know which channel we are watching.

    I hope somebody follows the "nice but dim" BBC employees around with a Megaphone telling them where they are. Apparently without assistance they are completely clueless.

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    Posted by U1158320 (U1158320) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    Message posted by Monty Burns
    They have that annoying red button thing on BBC channels and when we are all forced to go digital there will be no escape.I don't actually see what the point is because if you press the red button during a programme(like they sometimes tell you to)then you miss the rest of the programme you were watching.I also want to know why we don't have proper teletext on digital BBC.ITV seem to able to provide it. 


    I go back to Ceefax if I want teletext. Other than that I'll go online. I can't be doing with that abortion that is known as "digital text".

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    What a patronising load of old tosh. How insulting to be told on POV that we are to thick to know which channel we are watching.

    I hope somebody follows the "nice but dim" BBC employees around with a Megaphone telling them where they are. Apparently without assistance they are completely clueless. 


    I wonder if someone will follow that woman around tomorrow with a megaphone, saying, "You are now right up your own arse!" ;)

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    Posted by simonwilliams80 (U11930342) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    What makes me more angry is the bbc telling us to adjust our tv's so their DOG's don't damage them. I want my tv looking as good as possible and it is their responsibility not to broadcast potentially damaging material. Much like yourself i wish that all channels would just spend a little time on letting viewers choose if they want DOG's or not rather than having them forced on them

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    Posted by bjtolley (U11930404) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    I have just emailed this message to pov@bbc.co.uk:

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    Hi,

    I have just seen the 11th May Programme (in particular the article on DOGs) and I would like to tell you my thoughts about the on-screen logos.

    Why do the people in charge always say that DOGs help people to know what channel they are watching, this is such a stupid excuse that comes out of their mouth every time, where do they get this evidence from? How about running a trail on screen, getting people to go online and give their vote on whether they like DOGs (or credit squeezing for that matter)?

    With Digital TV you have an Electronic Programme Guide, or EPG and if you need to know what channel you are watching all you have to do is press one button and it tells you. But we already know what channel we are watching because we selected that channel!

    Just because other channels have DOGs doesn't mean the BBC has to, the BBC is supposed to be Britain's defining broadcaster... I don't call this defining..

    A DOG has also come to BBC Two overnight a great example of this is bitesize revision, but yet there is no DOG on BBC Two during the day, nor is there a DOG on BBC One, if DOGs came onto these channels in prime time, what do you think people would think?

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    Posted by JB (U11805502) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    I would like to complain on behalf of digital radio listeners who might not know what station they are listening to.

    In future, please can we have a constantly repeating voice reminding us, "This is Radio 4. ......This is Radio 4," or who knows what calamities might befall us?

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    Posted by Michael Take (U1341442) on Sunday, 11th May 2008

    If my huge big flat screen is damaged by a DOG I will sue the TV company I think is responsible.
    Broadcasting pictures with an on screen guide they admit might damage an expensive piece of equipment is surely negligent.

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