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Message 1 - posted by catflap001
(U4311478)
, Jun 1, 2006
Watching this past week's episode of Traffic Cops, they introduced a new computer system which can read license plates and identifies the owner, as well as any traffic or insurance violations.
BUT! What the hell is Fred Flinstone doing in the system?
The "fine", "law-abiding" cops use an (apparently) illegal pirated recording of Fred Flinstone's voice in their on-board computer system to alert them of a suspect vehicle.
"Yabba-Dabba-Doo" is a trademark of Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network, as well as the voice of Fred Flinstone is copyright protected. I believe that using Fred's voice and the trademark slogan without permission from the copyright owner is a serious violation of international copyright laws.
As well, the BBC should have been aware of this fact and bleeped the the sound of Fred's voice and any any mention of him or his trademark slogan.
If the cops do have permission to use the recording, it should have been made clear in the program. If they (as well as the BBC) do not have permission and pay royalties to Hanna-Barbera/Cartoon Network, they are infringing on the rights of the copyright owners and should have to pay huge fines. The cops should not be allowed to continue breaking international copyright laws. And the BBC should have known better.
Yabba-Dabba-Doo? Rather, Yabba-Dabba-BOOOOOOO!
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Message 2 - posted by sticky
(U3051976)
, Jun 1, 2006
I don't care whether they use Fred Flinstone or Captain Caveman, so long as they catch the tax dodging crims. You weren't actually serious were you?  This is a reply to this message
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Message 3 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
Why should it have been made clear?
They showed this system last year on Traffic Cops so if there was a copyright issue I'm sure that Hanna Barbera's lawyers would have been on the case.
If you are thant concerned why don't you email them to grass on the Police?
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Message 4 - posted by catflap001
(U4311478)
, Jun 1, 2006
YES I AM! Deliberate copyright infringement - especially by so-called "law enforcement personnel" and international broadcasters - is a serious crime and must be punished.
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Message 5 - posted by Symberta Fannyhammock
(U2079219)
, Jun 1, 2006
Consider the possibility that the manufacturer of the machine has obtained the correct permission to use the extract.
Anyway litigation in this area is fraught with problems, witness the 1997 Disney Corporation V The Commonwealth of Massachusetts battle over the use of Mickey Mouse's voice in a Boston Road Safety Campaign.
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Message 6 - posted by catflap001
(U4311478)
, Jun 1, 2006
Yes Leo, I did consider that the manufacturer did have permission, and if they do, it should have been made clear in the program since the narrator made a big deal out of them using the recording.
And whether or not the manufacturer has a license to use it, the BBC, by airing the recording, must also have permission to do so. And if they do, they should have made it clear in the program.
At a time when the RIAA, MPAA, BPA and others are attacking innocent people aroud the world for bogus, trumped up charges of copyright infringement for sharing legally purchased "product", these cops and broadcasters are certainly not above the law and must be made an example of.
As well, during the global telecasts of the Queen's birthday celebrations, official brass bands played "Happy Birthday To You", but no mention was made as to whether or not the Queen or the BBC had permission and obtained a license to use the song in public. The Happy Birthday song is owned by AOL Time Warner.
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Message 7 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
The Happy Birthday song is owned by AOL Time Warner.Quoted from
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So are Hanna Barbera - small world!
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Message 8 - posted by johnharrison
(U3728669)
, Jun 1, 2006
Are you a lawyer? Or do you have nothing better to do?
And in England it is spelt programme!
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Message 9 - posted by Blurtman
(U2269368)
, Jun 1, 2006
I have in my CD collection a commercial release CD of Hanna-Barbera sound effects. Fred Flintstone's 'Yabadabadoo' is track 91.
If you're as sad as me and fancy a copy, it's Rhino R2 71828.
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Message 10 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
Happy Birthday is actually owned by Warner Music Group's publishing arm Warner Chappell Music which isn't part of Time Warner.
Wikipedia is great isn't it?
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Message 11 - posted by Dante_Gabriel
(U4271546)
, Jun 1, 2006
If Hannah Barbera would like to contact the company to check if they have permission to use the sound then I believe the manufacturers are APD of Hull.
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Message 12 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
Oh yeah and it hasn't been called AOL Time Warner since 2002. I knew that without Wikipedia's help.
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Message 13 - posted by Bethgem
(U1159961)
, Jun 1, 2006
Why then, with the ownership of the 'Happy Birthday' song, has it been announced on tv that it is owned by Michael Jackson? THE MJ, that is. I have heard that said a lot by different presenters; in news magazine programmes to entertainment ones. Why? Why? Why? I am sure that Wikipedia is correct though, but why do things get so misinterpreted by presenters?
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Message 14 - posted by catflap001
(U4311478)
, Jun 1, 2006
Oh Anthony, everyone isn't as perfect as you. I made an error. BUT I'm not breaking international copyright laws, either. And I believe AOL Time Warner is still the official name, but the AOL is not used in public anymore because it's bad advertising and lowered the stock value. Also, I don't respond to spelling trolls, so I'll spell "program" the way I like to spell it.  Now, how about getting back on topic? This is a reply to this message
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Message 15 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
You have no evidence whatsover that the BBc or the Police are breaking copyright law or if you do you haven't presented it yet.
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Message 16 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
I'm not perfect by the way - look I typed BBc instead of BBC.  This is a reply to this message
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Message 17 - posted by johnharrison
(U3728669)
, Jun 1, 2006
Surely the copyright on "happy birthday to you" must have run out by now?
And when it comes to copyright I remember reading about how Warner tried to claim copyright of the name "casablanca". They sent a snotty letter to Groucho Marx when they made the film "a night in casablanca". Groucho sent them a letter back asking Warner Brothers if they had spoken to Casablanca council!!
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Message 18 - posted by catflap001
(U4311478)
, Jun 1, 2006
I never said I had proof. I said "If" many times in my comments.
For legal purposes, it should be made clear either during the program or in the end credits, as is usually done in film, television, radio, etc, that a recording or image or other copyright protected material was used or referred to in the broadcast.
I want to know IF the manufacturer, the BBC, and the cops have permission to use this recording. If they don't, it is a serious breach of international copyright laws, especially since the BBC and the manufacturer are making a profit from its use and are therefore pirates. And for the cops, ignorance of a law is not a valid defense, which they should know.
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Message 19 - posted by AnthonyJ
(U203374)
, Jun 1, 2006
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Message 20 - posted by humannature
(U4232714)
, Jun 1, 2006
For legal purposes, it should be made clear either during the program or in the end credits, as is usually done in film, television, radio, etc, that a recording or image or other copyright protected material was used or referred to in the broadcast. Quoted from
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They only tend to do that in film credits, you know the kind of credits that last for fifteen minutes. It's very rare for a TV programme to give a credit for a snatch of dialogue from another source, but that doesn't mean the broadcasters haven't checked the copyright situation out first.
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