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Message 81
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Monday, 9th July 2007
I'll give you a clue ... you'll never hear anything good from them about MM and myself ...
Crumbs....that really narrowed it down!
You haven't exactly been too complimentary about them too.
Main thing is the demise of RNID forum, which I never had the pleasure. It takes 2 to tango - to bring about this drastic action by RNID (good reason or not) to close the forum, otherwise this would have never happened.
I wish we could put this episode behind us and move on with something constructive.
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Message 82
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Monday, 9th July 2007
Buried somwhere is the up to date news releases
The most recent of these is two months old. If they want to recover they must give the impression of business as usual with lots of posts on the website, lots of press releases and evidence that there is activity going on.
Also, they will just never get enough people to support this :
The BDA still holds high the aims of the Vision, which are:
a.. BSL Ownership
b.. Deaf Identity
c.. Education and Billingualism
d.. Social Inclusion
There are just not enough Deaf people who are interested. Maybe a few hundred but the rest are more interested in interacting with the Hearing than the Deaf. -
Message 83
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Monday, 9th July 2007
I am inclined to agree with you about putting on a front, to keep things bubbling over until they are ready to swing into action. Perception is a key thing these days for survival and success.
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Message 84
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Monday, 9th July 2007
I wish we could put this episode behind us and move on with something constructive.
We want to get it back. Is that constructive enough?
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Message 85
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Monday, 9th July 2007
Ermm...no. What I am seeing on this thread are recycled versions of what happened back then. By being constructive is to finding ways to move forward, instead of looking backward, with occasional taunts at the other camp.
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Message 86
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Monday, 9th July 2007
The most recent of these is two months old. If they want to recover they must give the impression of business as usual with lots of posts on the website, lots of press releases and evidence that there is activity going on.
I agree with you there however its not recycled news is it.. How many times have we heard that RNID promoting deaf awareness week, Giving out leaflets about potental hearing loss and they have yet again given themselves award!!! .. keep seeing that week after week!
There are just not enough Deaf people who are interested. Maybe a few hundred but the rest are more interested in interacting with the Hearing than the Deaf.
How many Deaf subscribe to RNID? most subscribers are hearing or people loss their hearing later in life or people suffer Tinnitus
how ever there is a British Tinnitus Association
I don't expect a Tinnitus sufferer subscribe to BDA.. (how ever they are more welcome to)
If you want real Deaf issues then BDA is the only choice we have at the moment, they are restructuring but not out!
Pay the RNID to tell you the fact about Tinnitus ..erm hello what about the Deaf?
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Message 87
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Monday, 9th July 2007
How many times have we heard that RNID promoting deaf awareness week,
Look ... I am not interested in playing one off against the other. The BDA does a different job to the RNID but unfortunately they have lost their way. Whether they recover or not is entirely up to them. They have to put their money where their mouth is. They are obviously not doing it right or they would not be in this mess.
I don't know how many Deaf people belong to the RNID. But I do know that the primary provider of sign language support in the UK is the RNID and that's a fact.
I am really not interested in BDA, this RNID that. It's just boring. We have a situation with the deaf charities and we need to deal with it, but this is about people's lives, not rival football teams. -
Message 88
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Monday, 9th July 2007
I've put up with a few years of deaf sign users saying "Look put it all in the past let's move on...", but they never suggest how the deaf or HI for that matter are going to do that when they have no real input to the system, there are continued, let's bring back the old BDA etc, which is commercial suicide, they are a social group not a campaigning one, you need to be a b*****d to effectively campaign, nice guys just don't win, they tried to run the BDA like a social club, it had no chance, they would have had to dump many friends to move forward,and thus lost even more membership.
The whole area of support provision is now down to corporate lobbying, European and other funding, patronage, nationwide training, and all the rest that is needed, at hardly any juncture, are grass roots getting any say in that. The RNID is where the action is, not the BDA. The diminishing membership of ALL deaf and HI groups is chipping away at any real chance we will get that say.
The RNID has kept theirs, while the rest have plummeted to existing in name only, Hearing Concern. the NADP, etc all useless, most dead to the world too, coffeee ? one lump or two ? There are only one or two BDA people I know, who accept the reality. They also know the first 2 of the stated 4 aims of the BDA are a block to unity, an visible idealistic indication there is no common view or approach, that is why the RNID wins every time.
I recall the old beanos at Blackpool where errant 'Deaf Power' BDA members were fired for lobbying against the BDA itself, distributed anti-BDA literature, and used BDA time/equipment to do it, people in glass housing..... it went downhill after that. The BDA also wants to divide up sign-language acquisition to push their own version of it, i.e. when they realised that BSL was now a 'buzz' language people were taking up, and teaching in colleges etc too, where before it was a 'hobby' class at some poky LEA night class...MONEY ! BSL paid off at last ! The RNID got in first., thanks for all the hard work BDA, we'll take it from here !
The RNID responded by discrediting the BDA (BSL), stating it was against deaf awareness, was dividing up access, didn't have enough teachers to do anything, had no organisation of note, when the CACDP version of BSL was leaping forward in leaps and bounds. The BDA had left the gravy train too late.
Who else were they going to back ? the dedicated and purist BSL users at the BDA ? or the nationwide accredited system supported by the CACDP and the RNID ? no-brainer, and the government backed the RNID too.
So they don't own BSL, that's gone by the board at least 5 years ago. The Deaf don't even decide which way it should be taught, the CACDP decide that, with the obligatory token grass roots 'advisor' nodding away in the background, bought off. Culture/BSL ? or steady job.... erm ... What's the wage ?
The net result, whether we all approve or not, is wider awareness of BSL, it seems taking the 'Deaf' out of the question altogether, facilitated that ! Where they could never agree, the RNID and others did, and went without them.
The only chance the sign user has now, is to make inroads into the RNID itself, nostalgia for ye olde BDA is one thing, but they are. a spent force I think. Of course Fintan and JG and Co getting into the BDA might shake them up a bit ! but only if they dump the deadwood, have they that courage or the backing ? -
Message 89
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Monday, 9th July 2007
I've put up with a few years of deaf sign users saying "Look put it all in the past let's move on...", but they never suggest how the deaf or HI for that matter are going to do that when they have no real input to the system, there are continued, let's bring back the old BDA etc, which is commercial suicide, they are a social group not a campaigning one, you need to be forget the old pals act, to effectively campaign, nice guys just don't win, they run the BDA like a social club, it had no chance, they would have to dump many friends to move forward, and thus lose even more membership.
The whole area of support provision is now down to corporate lobbying, business sponsorship, European and other funding, patronage, nationwide training, and all the rest that is needed, at hardly any juncture, are grass roots getting any say in that. The RNID is where the action is, not the BDA. The diminishing membership of ALL deaf and HI groups is chipping away at any real chance we will get that say.
The RNID has kept theirs, while the rest have plummeted to existing in name only, Hearing Concern. the NADP, etc all useless, most dead to the world too, coffeee ? one lump or two ? There are only one or two BDA people I know, who accept the reality. They also know the first 2 of the stated 4 aims of the BDA are a block to unity, an visible idealistic indication there is no common view or approach, that is why the RNID wins every time.
I recall the old beanos at Blackpool where errant 'Deaf Power' BDA members were fired for lobbying against the BDA itself, distributed anti-BDA literature, and used BDA time/equipment to do it.... it went downhill after that, as did deaf power ! The BDA also wanted to divide up sign-language acquisition to push their own version of it, i.e. when they realised that BSL was now a 'buzz' language people were taking up, and teaching in colleges etc too, where before it was a 'hobby' class at some poky LEA night class...MONEY ! BSL paid off at last ! The RNID got in first, thanks for all the hard work BDA, we'll take it from here ! Business is Business.
The RNID responded by discrediting the BDA (BSL), stating it was against deaf awareness, was dividing up access, didn't have enough teachers to do anything, had no organisation/structure of note, when the CACDP version of BSL was leaping forward in leaps and bounds. The BDA had left the gravy train too late.
Who else were grass roots they going to back ? the dedicated and purist BSL users at the BDA ? or the nationwide accredited system supported by the CACDP and the RNID ? no-brainer, and the government backed the RNID too.
So they don't own BSL, that's gone by the board at least 5-8 years ago. The Deaf don't even decide which way it should be taught, the CACDP decide that, with the obligatory token grass roots 'advisor' nodding away in the background, bought off. Culture/BSL ? or steady job.... erm ... What's the wage ?
The net result, whether we all approve or not, is wider awareness of BSL, it seems taking the 'Deaf' out of the question altogether, facilitated that ! Where they could never agree, the RNID and others did, and went without them.
The only chance the sign user has now, is to make inroads into the RNID itself, nostalgia for ye olde BDA is one thing, but they are. a spent force I think. Of course Fintan and JG and Co getting into the BDA might shake them up a bit ! but only if they dump the deadwood, have they that courage or the backing ?To try to match the RNID membership is an impossible task. -
Message 90
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Monday, 9th July 2007
Comprehensive post, MM, and seemed to be well argued out. Can you substantiate your findings with links/reference to sources where you got your info from. It would be a dreadful waste if this got written off as another armchair pop-psychology blast.
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Message 91
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Monday, 9th July 2007
Can you substantiate your findings with links/reference to sources where you got your info from.
Why do I keep seeing requests for links and references?
As I see it these requests are just a way to try and punish posters by making them do a lot of work looking things up. Forget that.
There have been plenty of links in the past, use those. -
Message 92
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Monday, 9th July 2007
You haven't exactly been too complimentary about them too.
Cos I am the one they went to the police about, dude.
Luckily I had already been vetted by the cops and I have an exemplary record so no harm came of it.
Just goes to show, there's no end to the spite that some people have against their fellow deaf people. -
Message 93
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Monday, 9th July 2007
Why do I keep seeing requests for links and references?
As I see it these requests are just a way to try and punish posters by making them do a lot of work looking things up. Forget that.
As a lot of peoples claim on here are so unbelievable that's why we request it!
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Message 94
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
My response is via direct experience, and observed by other members here too, the BDA and RNID issues are common knowledge, unfortunately the RNID zeroed the Forum link there so I can't refer back to it, the BDA's financial diffioculties, and plunging membership is common knowledge too. The demise of the deaf club/school system, also something we are allaware of.
The CACDP-BDA issue on sign classes, again check out the BDA website This is JGJones obsession isn't it ? he wants a link to everything, he refuses to accept personal experiences unless it has a rubber-stamp somewhere, then again, depends who it is ! me, I'm the missing link lol
I thought Fintan and JG and Co were all well aware of the BDA website and the RNID's ? anything to oblige me...
signcommunity.org.uk...
vlog.gwallgofi.com/...
http://www.rnid.org.uk/
finllfixit.co.uk/...
Just in case you get lost... There are lots of links to other deaf groups too, but last time I looked nobody was home so.... -
Message 95
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Just goes to show, there's no end to the spite that some people have against their fellow deaf people.
I wasn't there when it happened so it is not for me to make comments about this. With whatever version there is, there is another one. But, the rest of us have to put with this constant baggage.
The reason why I am asking for verificiation via links and references is because MM doesn't represent BDA / RNID and all other deaf organisations. He haven't published any papers/books or studied Deaf issues through education. It is all his words. Remember your advice about reading up Ladd/Kyle, so why should I take his word for it if he want to be taken seriously. He can share his experiences however if you start telling stories about something else from his soapbox, in evangelist style, and claiming this is what happened and so on, it is dangerous form just take his words for it. Unless someone else, who represent these charities/organisation, step in and support his version. Besides, I never even heard of Melow Meldrew until I spotted him lurking in these forums. He is an unknown quantity to me and, after 4 months contributing on these forums, I have yet to see him to provide his sources despite endless stream of hearsays from him. If he feel he is not justified to support his claims, then he need to be challenged until he do so. I am concerned that people will come on these forums and take his words for it. I expect people to challenge me if I make unsupported claims and I would happily provide my sources. If dug myself into a hole, I would be humble enough to own up and admit it. Humility is a wonderful quality to have. -
Message 96
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Heh...look like me and MM posted at the same time
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Message 97
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
The reason why I am asking for verificiation via links and references is because MM doesn't represent BDA / RNID and all other deaf organisations. He haven't published any papers/books or studied Deaf issues through education. It is all his words. Remember your advice about reading up Ladd/Kyle, so why should I take his word for it if he want to be taken seriously.
Because he does read! He reads the things that I send to the forum and he's always well informed about what he talks about. He has to be because as soon as he opens his gob you lot are after him like the hounds of hell.
While you all expect him to "prive" every word he says, you seem happy to just tell him he's talking nonsense without offering any evidence to back it up.
So let's see some of your links shall we?
It's not a huge victory if I don't get someone's name right or some minor detail but I take care that I am substantially correct. If you care to analyse anything I say and ask questions I will be happy to point you to sources of information.
What some of you won't accept is that just because you are deaf it doesn't make you an expert on deafness. Everyone's personal experience is different, so you have to fall back on the work of people who are able to take all that into account and come up with something meaningful.
That means reading, reading and more reading. It's quite hard work to understand deafness because deafness is a very complicated problem. So you are never going to sum it all up over a bit of chat in the saloon bar. -
Message 98
Posted by Tim (U1822396) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
The RNID (or BDA, come to think of it) never step in - because they think they are too good to talk to the very people they claim to represent.
Deaf people don't have to justify themselves to anyone, but the charities have to justify themselves to us - they claim to represent us and make money out of us.
To not so (justify themselves) is the ultimate arrogance
Some things can not be proven because the evidence has been removed by those who operate in the dark - that does not mean MM can't comment on it.
In any event, a lot of MM's post was opinion/comment which cannot and need not be backed up by anything. Reasoned argument stands by itself. -
Message 99
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
The RNID (or BDA, come to think of it) never step in - because they think they are too good to talk to the very people they claim to represent.
I think it was because of their arrogant behaviour in the forum that I came to the conclusion that the members don't have any say in what happens. There I was having to put up with torrents of abuse and they were doing nothing about it!
The fact is that various people were just taking out their hatred of the RNID by causing mayhem in the forum. You'd think the RNID would have understood that and moderated the forum, but they did not because it would seem that they thought it would be too much trouble.
If people attack a forum there is nothing the other users can do about it except try and shut them up. If the moderators won't moderate nobody else has any power to stop it. That's a basic fact! -
Message 100
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I agree to the point that you can never sum it up on this forum. But your response is skirting my point, which I think is rather pertinent one.
Whereas we have just saw MM charting the history of BDA fighting it out with RNID, over the £1.5 million pot, and with some members of their own staff. It is a lengthy account and it need legs to stand on. I have not asked for links everytime MM have said something but I believe his account does warrant further corroboration. I am keen to know both sides of the stories and how MM have come to this conclusion, which is why I'd like to know where all this derived from. I cannot find any info into the claim that RNID discredited BDA. Pardon me if this is common knowledge but I have every right to ask for substantiation.
I don't recall I have written on behalf of anybody else and to my knowledge, I've only provided my own opinions and experiences largely on the account of me being Deaf. Nobody is an expert on these forum, including you. So who is proclaiming to be an expert here? I am not the one flashing my Deaf Studies degree here. Because of that, you should be more capable of providing your sources.
It is delusional to think I am looking to catch people out for kicks. I am happy to provide links on any claims or stories I have made - please kindly point them out. -
Message 101
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I don't feel a lot of links are valid personally, I certainly refrain from using ones that come from what I feel are biased or vested interest, and many personal blogs... e.g. Wikipedia, dedicated sites, Deafhood (Mr Ladd's opus), etc, as they are, PERSONAL views, so not verifiable, and while they may refer to official records, the CONCEPT and view is individual, so, up for debate. People read an official link therefore think that validates what else is written, I prefer to question everything.
I can refer to a link describing CI operation, it wouldn't tell me who the patient felt, I'd need to ask them.
Cripes they can't even validate how many use sign language daily...You may have to take me at face value, why would I 'invent' hardship ? get a sympathy vote ? I think not ! The recent posting by BSL activists is a prime example, that could easily be construed as personal gripe, he provided no links either, tut tut, but he may well have a valid point just the same... -
Message 102
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Because he does read! He reads the things that I send to the forum and he's always well informed about what he talks about. He has to be because as soon as he opens his gob you lot are after him like the hounds of hell.
Yes he does read but he has a very distorted view on things that he can never back up.
In fairness to MM he does start a debate or interest other wise it would be a boring forum.
What would you be doing without MM eh?
While you all expect him to "prive" every word he says, you seem happy to just tell him he's talking nonsense without offering any evidence to back it up.
We do!
On various blogs also onto his blogs!
See Hear is not the central deaf place as we all know!
That means reading, reading and more reading. It's quite hard work to understand deafness because deafness is a very complicated problem. So you are never going to sum it all up over a bit of chat in the saloon bar.
Trouble with some people on here they sprout out rubbish and never back up their claim.
Just because we take in interest in your views and you wont provide links then you are not providing further reading suggest that you are making it up.
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Message 103
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
MM,
Fair enough and we do listen (well some of us do) to your opinions.. Just that some were strange and no one is an expert.
But when you do provide links then it lets you off the hook and all of us correct that information!
Just that in my impression that you and Cornish Andy thinks that everyone on here is against both of you.
We only want to set records straight.
When you do disagree with somones personal view we can ask why can't we?
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Message 104
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Just because we take in interest in your views and you wont provide links then you are not providing further reading suggest that you are making it up.
You are perfectly capable of looking things up for yourself. Forget proof. There is no proof, only people entitled to believe different things to what you do. -
Message 105
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
You have mentioned that links have been supplied on this forum but this forum does not have a search engine so it is a bit like looking for a needle in a haystack. Your position at the moment shows a lack of goodwill.
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Message 106
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
You are perfectly capable of looking things up for yourself. Forget proof. There is no proof, only people entitled to believe different things to what you do.
I am not getting in a argument over this.. I do look it up and you have said that BDA is in receivership.
I have looked it my self and could not find any proof!
You are spreading incorrect information regarding BDA for example
So yes you entitled to your view but don't you want to be corrected or pointed out that you may be wrong sometimes?
Yes I do get things wrong and I hold my hand up.
So lets end on this matter shall we.. you have said it yourself there is no proof and thank you for clarifying that.
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Message 107
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Your position at the moment shows a lack of goodwill.
Oh definitely!
I just hate it when people ask stupid bl00dy questions to which they already know the answers. -
Message 108
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I have looked it my self and could not find any proof!
Grumpy Old Deafies.
GretaG posted in here as well.
If you find one message by Greta and click on the name it will bring up all posts by her which narrows it down a bit.
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Message 109
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Lumme - what an insufferable person you are. Besides, I am still none the wiser about events surroundings MM's account of BDA demise and RNID getting on the gravy train - no thanks to you.
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Message 110
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
If you're going to attack, I'm going to defend.
Just remember you're the one cross examining, not me!
What did you want to know? -
Message 111
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Oh forget it, Andy! I have been expending my energy all morning trying to get to the bottom of MM's account and all I am facing is resistance or half-hearted advice how to search for links. I followed your advice about clicking on GretaG name but it given me a list of discussions she have been involved in and whenever I click on the discussion, it takes me to the start of the thread. This is too tedious for me and it is too tedious for me to keep asking you guys to provide links.
That is just typical pattern coming from you, to accuse me of attacking you. Whenever someone reply with a riposte to your put-down (i.e. you think my questions are bloody stupid) - you - more often than not - resort to playing the victim. I give over. -
Message 112
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Why didn't you ask Greta?
www.grumpyoldeafies.... -
Message 113
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I will from now on, seeing I am not getting anywhere here and it is too much of an imposition on you.
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Message 114
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Oh forget it, Andy! I have been expending my energy all morning trying to get to the bottom of MM's account and all I am facing is resistance or half-hearted advice how to search for links. I followed your advice about clicking on GretaG name but it given me a list of discussions she have been involved in and whenever I click on the discussion, it takes me to the start of the thread. This is too tedious for me and it is too tedious for me to keep asking you guys to provide links.
That is just typical pattern coming from you, to accuse me of attacking you. Whenever someone reply with a riposte to your put-down (i.e. you think my questions are bloody stupid) - you - more often than not - resort to playing the victim. I give over.
Saltbar,
I am not going to respond to Andys childish posting but I will respond to your post.
Someone has said said only MM and Andy contributed to the RNID forum anything he post MM reads!
No wonder it shut down!!
Lets all get behind Tim as he is making an effort.. and lets not waste our time playing their silly childish games!
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Message 115
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Both Andy and I are behind Tim, and done it a lot longer than people who have just breezed in after 5 minutes, trying to take the moral high ground, we may not entirely agree the best way to go about it, again, you are NOT at the RNID, do not WANT to be at the RNID, so what's your point ? it's a point-scoring excersize against myself and Cornishandy ? You didn't read the RNID's reason for shutting the forum down, when we told you, you still assumed, despite never having been there Andy and I did it. This is Greta and Co speaking, not you.... who came on to the RNID forum dropped their bombshells, then dissapeared again. Guerilla tactics...
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Message 116
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I'm suffering a compound fracture of my patience. It just goes round and round and round.
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Message 117
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I am not surprised cos you have just fallen off your high horse.
All you had to do is help me with my enquiries rather than make comments that you don't suffer fools gladly, which is quite frankly very off-putting. -
Message 118
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
What I would really like here is to be able to access the forum and make my own conclusion. But, due to the supercilious attitude I am getting here, I think my judgement have already been clouded a long time ago.
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Message 119
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
All you had to do is help me with my enquiries rather than make comments that you don't suffer fools gladly, which is quite frankly very off-putting.
I don't HAVE to do anything at all if I don't want to.
It's you that's making the demands and me telling you to find out for yourself. When I have told you things you have scoffed at them so perhaps you will do better if you look it up yourself. -
Message 120
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
[deep intake of air]
No you don't have to do anything for me. In fact, I wished you never did or said anything at all when I asked MM to cite his sources, which you scoffed at and started the whole brouhaha.
To today readers: I really would like to apologise for my run-ins with CornishAndy today. I am a laid back person but today my behaviour went against the grain and it usually takes something special to rear that ugly head in me. Really.....
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Message 121
Posted by jgjones (U1426605) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Tony
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Message 122
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
C'mon Tony this isn't getting anywhere. If you don't believe a word we say go look for yourself. We don't have to justify anything to you.
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Message 123
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
So now you are insulting Tony a well.... ( I wouldn't stand for that Tone...). Coming from someone who knows, but just the same... -
Message 124
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
In fact, I wished you never did or said anything at all when I asked MM to cite his sources, which you scoffed at and started the whole brouhaha.
Serves you right. You hijacked the thread by asking all these questions and now you are stamping your feet and whining because we won't play your silly game.
Hard cheddar old son, next time learn not to play norty games with me! -
Message 125
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
I've already given Fintan, Greta, G.O.D, and JGJones free publcity, they still aint happy, they wanna rule the world....
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Message 126
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Jaysus wept...so this is all a game to you? I was asking for sources and, in return, all I got was antagonisms and attitude. Oh yes, I got frustrated with your demeanour towards me which I showed too clearly.
And now, you are bragging how you have "defeated" me - are you for real?!! There was no winners today, mate. The whole thing was mean-spirited and puerile, and you are just as culpable as I am. -
Message 127
Posted by MM (U1821038) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Still, there's always deaf-uk chat... the link issues are just a distraction, it's a game played by JGJones and the rest, you provide a Link, they provide a disclaiming one, it goes on ad infinitum, the whole idea is to kill off the personal view, so they can all push the collective one... If I want to discuss CI Issues, I put a link to a CI site that perhaps shows the operation itself and another that displays an implantee who has got great benefit from it,in fact I've done this in the past, it was then seen as 'selective linking' putting only links there that support my view.
What you get is views from disaffected deaf people who hate the whole idea and use not one link at all, because they are 'Deaf' and all their supporters presumably endorse the anti-view, Grumpy will endlessly use her blog to attack CI's, it's her held view, and she only looks for links that appear to uphold that view, in the end it's down to.. this is my view of it, that is yours, and it stands or falls on that. People will believe you or not regardless what link you use, so in the end what is the point ?
Debate is about how you feel about things not how others have felt. -
Message 128
Posted by saltbar (U6448282) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Debate is about how you feel about things not how others have felt.
At last, thank you for clarifying that it is your own personal view. Let that be known. -
Message 129
Posted by fgaughan (U8420327) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Both Andy and I are behind Tim, and done it a lot longer than people who have just breezed in after 5 minutes, trying to take the moral high ground, we may not entirely agree the best way to go about it, again, you are NOT at the RNID, do not WANT to be at the RNID, so what's your point ? it's a point-scoring excersize against myself and Cornishandy ? You didn't read the RNID's reason for shutting the forum down, when we told you, you still assumed, despite never having been there Andy and I did it. This is Greta and Co speaking, not you.... who came on to the RNID forum dropped their bombshells, then dissapeared again. Guerilla tactics...
MM,
There are 2 sides to every story!
I have read on various forums about RNID and its closure but because i haven't taken part i will never fully know what has happened!
how ever.. seeing that your behaviour and cornish I am not suprised!
There is no point scoring it went on a long thread as non of you point to the right thread on how you based on both of your facts.
Is its assumptions then why not say?
as for us Breezing in why not help us or point us to right directions on find info that based on your so called facts?
But you can't hence why RNID still going!
but there is only 2 of you v's a lot of people so why isn't others backing your claim?
-
Message 130
Posted by cornishandy (U3322829) on Tuesday, 10th July 2007
Probably laughing too hard
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