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Dead birds in forestry tubes.

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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    My other half works with a forestry group, part of his job is to fit and maintain the green tubes which help to protect the young tree. During his maintenance work he constantly finds dead birds inside these tubes as they've managed to get in after an insect or to shelter and when in there they can't get back out. So far today alone he has found 8 dead birds - there are millions of these tubes all over the country so how many birds are being lost because of it?? The inside of the tube is smooth so no grip is possible and the top of the tube is open so very appealing to a little bird that fits inside it perfectly. I emailed RSPB last year and was advised that they were positive that this was an isolated incident but it's not, we have photos of the birds, they are various types and I'd love to know if there is anyone out there who can help to try to stop this happening.

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    Posted by foxwatch222 (U14879697) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    hi maxwell cant u put on the top some tape or bits of cardbord thanks ricky

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    Be ideal if that could be done but hundreds of these tubes can be fitted each day so they'd need to be made that way unfortunately. I emailed the manufacturers and they never bothered to reply.

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    Posted by theSteB (U13982963) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    My other half works with a forestry group, part of his job is to fit and maintain the green tubes which help to protect the young tree. During his maintenance work he constantly finds dead birds inside these tubes as they've managed to get in after an insect or to shelter and when in there they can't get back out. So far today alone he has found 8 dead birds - there are millions of these tubes all over the country so how many birds are being lost because of it?? The inside of the tube is smooth so no grip is possible and the top of the tube is open so very appealing to a little bird that fits inside it perfectly. I emailed RSPB last year and was advised that they were positive that this was an isolated incident but it's not, we have photos of the birds, they are various types and I'd love to know if there is anyone out there who can help to try to stop this happening.  This is an interesting observation. It may be possible that there is a problem, and no one has ever noticed it. So you might not necessarily get accurate answers from experts. We are constantly discovering things which we weren't aware of before. There may indeed be something to do with the shape of the tubes, which traps the bird. I think it needs investigating. I would ask your other half to keep an accurate record of what they find. The bird species, the location of the bird in the tube when, and if possible an estimate of how many tubes were checked for how many birds.

    It would be necessary to eliminate certain possibilities i.e. that the birds didn't take shelter in adverse conditions and die. We rarely see birds and animals that have suffered a natural death, old age or gradual illness as opposed from to a sudden death - because when an animal is vulnerable, it hides, and so dies in a hidden location. So this possibility would need to be eliminated. However, it is also possible that there is an unrecognised problem.

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    Thanks for that! I will ask him to start taking notes where possible, difficulty is that these tubes only get checked if trees need replaced so there are likely many more that aren't found and its not done at any particular time of year. Who would we send any info we collect to?

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    Posted by theSteB (U13982963) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    Thanks for that! I will ask him to start taking notes where possible, difficulty is that these tubes only get checked if trees need replaced so there are likely many more that aren't found and its not done at any particular time of year. Who would we send any info we collect to?
     
    It's interesting if it is only a small percentage of tubes being checked, where a new tree requires planting.

    These observations are very interesting, and perhaps very important considering the widespread use of these tubes. The question of who to send the information and observations to is a difficult one. Being that these tubes are so widely used by many conservation organizations like the RSPB, they will probable be a bit resistant to acknowledging that they are a problem. My experience with organizations like this, is that it depends very much on the individual. Some individuals working for the RSPB etc, might be interested in investigating this, whereas others might feel a bit protective, and not want to condsider that something they do, which is thought safe, maybe a bird trap.

    I think it does need looking into because if there is a problem, and it is understood why it is happening, it may be possible to re-design the tubes.

    This would also be an ideal question for Springwatch, because if you get a question like this aired on a programme like Springwatch, then more interest will be shown in it. Whatever, happens, it is a useful observation, and if you keep records, it will be of far more interest if you find someone to investigate this. I would have thought the RSPB are the obvious ones, but as I have hinted, some individuals might be a bit defensive, because they themselves use these tubes.

    So ask your questions again, especially with a few more facts, and information, on this messageboard, the blog, or the Springwatch Flickr photogroup, and hopefully this very interesting observation and question will get picked up.

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Friday, 27th May 2011

    You've been really helpful - thank you! I will upload some of the pics we have later and get some more info on the types of birds and hope that brings us some info that will help.

    Thanks again, very much appreciated smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

    Hi All, I have uploaded a few pictures onto the Springwatch Flickr page (title Help Save Our Birds) where you can clearly see where the tube has been to protect the tree, when the tube has been removed due to the tree having died the bird is found lying in the bottom. I have also added some pictures of the tubes and since yesterday I've done some digging and discovered that in the US they are now forced to use a tube net which prevents birds getting into these tubes due to environmental pressure. This link takes you to the UK supplier www.farmforestry.co.... it would be wonderful if someone was able to bring this to be standard practice in the UK too!!

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    Posted by Mike (U12205184) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

    I couldn't find the photos in the group pool and as there are lots of photos being posted they will get harder to find as time goes on so I am taking the liberty of posting a link to what I assume is your photostream. Hope that's ok

    www.flickr.com/photo...


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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

    Thank you, that's the correct one!! I'm a bit new to this so any and all help is appreciated smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by feedyourhedgehog (U14493365) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

    This is quite a worry, I think the RSPB could've looked into it a bit more.
    Did you send them your photos? that might help.
    I'm a bit worried about the netting shown on your other link smiley - erm
    I can see what they're trying to do but if we shouldn't use net bags with fat balls in then we probably shouldn't use netting around the plastic tubes too

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Saturday, 28th May 2011

    That's a valid point but it is the only item I have found anywhere that is some sort of solution to this. I asked my husband who works with these tubes, he's never seen this netting but said that in his opinion it would be fitted over the whole tube and under the bottom rim when the tube is fitted and it therefore wouldn't come off. When the tree grows then the net would open up to allow the tree to come through. I know that these tubes are bio-degradeable but unsure on the netting, perhaps that is a question I could ask of the UK company who market it - unless anyone out there knows??

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    Posted by watervole (U14490581) on Sunday, 29th May 2011

    That sounds very worrying so lets hope someone from the Springwatch team picks up on the thread. You could also try posting on 'Unsprung needs your help' www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    As others have said, keep a record and try the RSPB again - perhaps a different office, or your local Wildlife Trust or sometimes there are local ornithological groups.

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    Posted by Maxwell1995 (U14684409) on Sunday, 29th May 2011

    Hi watervole, thanks for your interest and advice. I've emailed the RSPB again and let them know that I've posted the information on here, I've also posted on the Unsprung blog too so fingers crossed we can find a way to find some kind of solution.

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