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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    Hi, there! I wonder what do you think of that string?
    What feelings it ignites inside your head?

    Take care

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    Posted by hambi22 (U2309395) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    I have never seen such road.
    Are there any such road?

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    Hi, Hambi!

    Well, I don't know if such a road ever existed in reality. But it might be very likely something that inspired great Frank Baum... I think that "Yellow Brick Road" is a sort of allegory...
    Do you know what is ALLEGORY?

    Alex S

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    Posted by lubnatsi (U3977409) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    I have no idea, Alex... smiley - smiley

    Who is Frank Baum, and also what is yellow brick road, what is the reason for saying good bye? smiley - erm

    I think I am gonna learn it later by you or by other members. smiley - whistle

    Have a good night and sleep,Alex.


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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    Hi Alex,

    Two things occured to me
    - The Wizard of Oz, the romantic family film (a fable) about Dorothy with Toto dog, Scarecrow, Tin Man and a Cowardly Lion. In the Hungarian version, at least, they walk all the time on the yellow path, on the yellow brick.
    - Old roads, courtyards tiled with very hard shiny, yellow brick what is extremely slippery in wintertime

    See you

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Wednesday, 21st March 2007

    Hi, Demet!

    It's always nice to get your response!
    (I would like Nori to join our discussion - I thought actually about him when I wrote that subject line!)
    You are too young for that "Good Bye"! But I'm surprised that you never heard about the "Yellow Brick Road" - I thought it is a World Wide "celebrity" smiley - biggrin I knew about it yet when I was a little boy! Although I hadn't heard the name of Frank Baum! I knew about him only when I was just a little younger that you are now...smiley - biggrin

    I hope to write you more tomorrow!

    Alex S

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    'Do you know what is ALLEGORY?'

    Russia lost the WWI because of the fact that the SOLDIER of the R. army was , for the most , a stranger to the sentiment of patriotism on his own road.Though , perhaps, to a certain extent , he could identify with the war as a defence of the Tzar , but defence of the Russian nation , especially if he himself was not Russian , meant very little to him. He was a peasant with little direct knowledge of the world OUTSIDE HIS VILLAGE , and his SENSE of himself as a 'Russian' was only very weakly developed. He though of himself as a native of HIS LOCAL REGION and , as long as the enemy did not threaten to invade that area , saw little reason to fight with him.
    'WE ARE THE TAMBOV MEN' , the reluctant recruits would proclaim...




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  • Message 8

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    I've never read the Wizard of Oz, but I know the song by Elton John.

    "So goodbye yellow brick road
    Where the dogs of society howl
    You can't plant me in your penthouse
    I'm going back to my plough."

    Yellow bricks sounds to me like gold bars.
    Gold is shiny and a desirable economic object, but we can not eat it when we are hungry, can we? So maybe it's better to walk on a road that is made of better values.

    Well, that is what 'yellow brick road' ignited in my head.

    Hope you'll enlighten us about the real meaning.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    ...and WE were forced to fight to DEFEND their 'villages' from all sorts of 'germans'. Here is OUR OWN the Real "YELLOW BRICK ROAD' !!!!!!

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007


    Hangman, hangman, hold it a little while,
    Think I see my friends coming, Riding a many mile.
    Friends, did you get some silver?
    Did you get a little gold?
    What did you bring me, my dear friends, To keep me from the Gallows Pole?
    What did you bring me to keep me from the Gallows Pole?

    I couldn't get no silver, I couldn't get no gold,
    You know that we're too damn poor to keep you from the Gallows Pole.
    Hangman, hangman, hold it a little while,
    I think I see my brother coming, riding a many mile.
    Brother, did you get me some silver?
    Did you get a little gold?
    What did you bring me, my brother, to keep me from the Gallows Pole?

    Brother, I brought you some silver,
    I brought a little gold, I brought a little of everything
    To keep you from the Gallows Pole.
    Yes, I brought you to keep you from the Gallows Pole.

    Hangman, hangman, turn your head awhile,
    I think I see my sister coming, riding a many mile, mile, mile.
    Sister, I implore you, take him by the hand,
    Take him to some shady bower, save me from the wrath of this man,
    Please take him, save me from the wrath of this man, man.

    Hangman, hangman, upon your face a smile,
    Pray tell me that I'm free to ride,
    Ride for many mile, mile, mile.

    Oh, yes, you got a fine sister, She warmed my blood from cold,
    Brought my blood to boiling hot To keep you from the Gallows Pole,
    Your brother brought me silver, Your sister warmed my soul,
    But now I laugh and pull so hard And see you swinging on the Gallows Pole

    Swingin' on the gallows pole!

    (L.Z. from the 'L.Z.III')

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Hangmen take your bribe and then send you to hell anyway.
    Such is life. smiley - sadface

    Thanks for the LZ lyrics.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    We'll see....Inegch. The question is...that We stand against 'bribes'...there is NO CHANCE for 'em to take something FOR FREE. WE are not being the 'peasants' from 'Tambov'.

    Such is life.smiley - winkeye

    smiley - rose

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    .....'cause the key-line is that.....

    'But now I laugh ........... And see you swinging on the Gallows Pole

    Swingin' on the gallows pole!

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    +....the 'germans' has taken from the 'tambov men' all they had ....and now it is a real problem for 'tambov men' even to choose the '10 roubles' to bribe these 'germans'......An enigma as for 'germans' so for 'men'.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    .... the 'bad roads'.... between the 'village' where 'germans'to live and that which leads to 'tambov'.All of 'em are the 'peasants'....with the little knowleged of the world outside....

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Do you live near Tambov?

    How would you have saved your friend from the gallows? Bribing is useless according to Led Zeppelin.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by lubnatsi (U3977409) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    smiley - whistle

    Alex, do you really think of that the matter of saying good-bye is related to age. smiley - whistle

    Ingrid smiley - ok, I liked your guess. Waiting for Alex's response smiley - biggrin


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  • Message 18

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Well , if you want to ease your mind
    you just go on take it to the River
    When you are down
    Well, that's all right
    you just bring it down
    to Jelly Roll
    We're gonna run
    jump and shout
    We're gonna slide
    way back in the country
    there's a place where they treat you right
    you just bring it down to Jelly Roll
    But I can dance
    Lord, I'm jumping all the time.
    I LIVE.....

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    John Fogerty ? smiley - smiley

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Yeah , it is HE....a real Dancer !

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Inn , here bellow is my own complitation .....

    It was summer / down at the beach
    The boys had no job / the gals danced till dawn/ looking for rich guys.
    We were driving up the parkway/
    Me and the magic rat ...when just
    In front of us a car overturned.
    I was drunk /I was busted/ I was going
    Nowhere on the parkway/it's an
    eight-lane asphalt path to oblivion.
    I went over to the car /and there/
    in the glass and beer cans /lay a gal named Sandy.
    I held Sandy in my arms? plied Sandy
    with all my charms/felt nothing but alarm for her condition.
    She looked up at me and said -
    Jack , I'm pregnant,
    And I work all night .
    I told her, Sandy / I'd love to stay
    with you gal / but I've got to go over the river/
    through the woods/across the bridge.
    To meet a man ...
    She looked up at me / with those big Jersey Shore eyes/ and said:

    'Jack, we'll ride together'.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Hm... I thought quoting lyrics is prohibited in this board! (perhaps because of copy rights) Well, at least this happened to some members before... I mean FULL LYRICS. I think that extracts are allowed...

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Thursday, 22nd March 2007

    Hello, Demet! smiley - biggrin

    Do you mean Elton John? (By "ingrid's guess"?) Well, yes, I meant that string from his song... And the song is also called "Good-bye Yellow Brick Road"... And the album has got the same name!! By the way, have you heard it? I know that you like poetry. And the lyrics by Elton John are HIGHLY poetic! They are full of ALLEGORIES. I remember that one of the first BBC English teaching programmes that I heard from the World Service (I'm not sure but in those days they were still called "English by Radio") has been devoted to one of Elton John's songs called "Sacrifice" (by the way it would be very "suitable" for that "marriage" thread smiley - biggrin)

    (to be continued)

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    'It Was Summer' has never been sung by any of singers.....This song is dedicated to Zsuzsa-Susan and NONE , a pair of die-hard 'Real Men' , sidekicks ..Thousands of 'live trees' were sacrificed in order to make this 'song'.
    smiley - rose smiley - rose smiley - rose
    smiley - rose smiley - rose smiley - rose

    Long live the 'Real Men' !!!!!!!
    ....Rock'N'Roll and the English language ....the language of Liberty and Rock'N'Roll !
    HERE WE ARE !!!!!!

    'Well, I don't know if such a road ever existed in reality.'
    When 'tambov men' were asked in trenches why they were at war....the inevitable senseless answer was that a certain 'Archduke' and his wife ??? had been murdered and that consequently the 'Austrians' had tried to humiliate the 'Serbians'. Practically no one knew who these 'Serbians' were ....they were equally doubtful as to what a 'Slav' was. Why 'Germans' should want to make war on 'em because of these 'Serbians' , no one could say......They had never heard of the ambitions of 'Germany'.......they did not even know that such a country existed.
    A very sad picture.....for 'tambov men'....non-'radicals'......

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    The road was so dimly lighted,
    there were no highway signs to guide ,
    but they made up their minds ,
    if the roads were all blind,
    they wouldn't give up till they died.
    The road gets dimmer and dimmer ,
    sometimes you can hardly see ,
    and do all you can ,
    for they know they can never be free.
    They don't think they are too tough or desperate,
    they know the law always wins .
    About the third night they are invited
    to fight
    by a sub-machine gun rat-tat-tat....
    They have been shot at before
    but they don't ignore
    that death is the wages of win....

    ( 'The Story of Suicidal S.' ....the author is unknown).

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Hello, Ingrid

    Neither I read the book about Oz, I guess it's not really worth. When my kids were young we had the tape of the musical in Hungarian and my kids listen to it till it got ragged.
    'Follow, follow, follow, follow,
    Follow the Yellow Brick Road.' -- all my family members can still sing it.

    Bye for now, see you later in other thread

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Hello, Susan

    So, the people in Oz advise you to follow follow follow the Yellow Brick Road, while Elton John tells us to say goodbye to the road? What am I to do now? follow? … say goodbye? I'm lost smiley - erm Can somebody help?

    Alex ? where are you? smiley - yikes

    Seems children have the same habits all over the world. My kids when they were small used to listen to the same tape over and over again until it gave up its ghost, and now my grandson does the same. smiley - smiley

    Bye for now

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    You must decide it yourself of where is your own way.... the most easy thing is to say 'good bye'.
    Elton John has never been by Gary Glitter with his own 'I didn't know I loved you ( till I saw you , Rock'N'Roll')'.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Yes, Ingrid, Susan and Demet.
    I can help you!
    If I won't succed to connect today before the "deadline" then please wait until Sunday!
    Thank you
    Alex S
    (It's gonna be a tough Sunday! Remeber that "Equinoxes"? The BBC will switch to the Summer schedule...)

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Hi, Jack

    I somehow expected someone would tell me I have to follow my own road, and that it is my decision in which direction it is going to lead me. Such is life. smiley - smiley

    I'm not so sure if saying goodbye is always the most easy way. Saying goodbye to one's bad habits can be rather difficult, I think. smiley - smiley

    By the way, I read your own compilation. Very interesting. From what sources did you compile it?


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  • Message 31

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Hi, Alex

    Thanks for your message. I'll wait … in suspense smiley - smiley

    Till then

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by OUNUPA (U2078829) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    'I'm not so sure if saying goodbye is always the most easy way.'- not unnaturally not always...but for the most of situations it is.

    Ingrid, Bruce Springsteen was my 'instigator' to type these lines. And there who haven't heard his music yet, is my complitation of every song he's ever written.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Bruce Springsteen ... yeah. I thought so, but I wasn't sure. 'magic rat' and 'Jersey girl' rang a bell in my dusty memory banks. I don't know many of his songs unfortunately - he must have written hundreds - you obviously do. Amazing. The 'eight-line asphalt path to oblivion' impressed me.

    For most situations, especially those which get too hot, the easy way out is to say goodbye, I agree with you.

    Goodbye for today smiley - smiley

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Jaaaack, you are soooo kind smiley - biggrin.smiley - rose

    However I don't think I'm more real man than others. I'm surrounded all real men, I think. Except for some ...

    Jack, you are a Real Romantic Man! smiley - biggrin What a nice song you compiled ... we'll ride river together ...

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by None (U4242003) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Long live the 'Real Men' !!!!!!!
    ....Rock'N'Roll and the English language ....the language of Liberty and Rock'N'Roll !
    HERE WE ARE !!!!!! 

    Nice words from a real (free) man...

    ...Here we are...and we'll be.

    Nice weekend to all of you...

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    So you are "switching off" Ingrid?
    Well, never mind - it is plenty of "food for thought"... I hope we will be talking for some time... As you gussed, I didn't start this thread "just for fun". It may help learners of English to understand native speakers better. You know how it works... You are walking along the street, somebody pass by, you are hearing just a short piece of conversation in your mother tongue and you immediately get the point of the subject! Because you know something more than just words or grammar or even "language chunks"...

    You see, those words ("...yellow brick road...") they are not just a string from a book or a line from a song... It is a certain symbol, a concept, if you wish...!
    It is a bit strange that you virtually didn't hear about that book! You have been to Australia. I know that both British and Americans sometimes call it "the Land of OZ"!

    Now, let me finish the idea which I got from that programme about "Sacrifice"... Those series was great! Presenters explained the meaning of the songs' lyrics in such a profound way! They managed to find every time very witty and creative style to present and illustrate the verses! I remember it quite clear - when they explained the words of "Sacrifice" they said that "will try to explain every word of the lyrics, but even after that they are not certain that we will understand the meaning of the song!..." smiley - biggrin Yes, it is a matter rather of feelings than logic... And there is always more than one way to comprehend the poetry...

    Susan is right - "yellow brick road" is a way to the Wizard of Oz... Dorothy goes there together with the Iron Woodchopper, brainless Scarecrow and Coward Lion. They should walk stricly alone that road, never step aside - through the woods and deserts, fighting with fear and dangers...

    OK. Perhaps it's enough for today. "Digest" the information! I hope to write more tomorrow...

    Alex S

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Hi, Ingrid

    the band of figures who long for something are walking on the yellow-brick road which leads to the Wonderful Wizard of Oz ...
    'Because, because, because, because, because
    Because of the wonderful things he does'

    Elton John maybe, in his song, wanted to break with the illusive 'yellow-brick' way.

    Ingrid, in the first part of our the life somebody always wanted to hold our hands and lead us and we wanted to go on our own and in the second part we hold our kids etc. hands and ... do we wish a hand to lead us?

    Bye for today

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Friday, 23rd March 2007

    Alex, we were sending our posts in same time, I wonder if we told same things smiley - winkeye

    Check my old Ukraine thread later ...

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Alex and Susan, thank you so much for your explanations. I' think I found my bearings again. smiley - smiley

    Honestly, I have never read The Wizard of OZ, didn't even know the book existed until a few years ago. smiley - erm I haven't read Alice in Wonderland either, by the way! Big gap in my education, I'm afraid.

    I suppose both books weren't around in a German translation when I was young. Otherwise, I'm sure, I would have read them. I've always been a bookworm from the day I was able to understand words . When I had finished reading the whole collection of Grimm's fairy tales, I read all the adventure books I could get my fingers on, Tom Sawyer, Winnetou, Old Shatterhand, Leatherstocking, Dschingis Khan … smiley - smiley

    I've heard Australia referred to as the Land of Oz, yes. I followed the road to Downunder, Terra Australis, the unknown land of the South, without a Coward Lion by my side (I'm one myself smiley - smiley) and without anyone holding my hand. I was 20 then, an age when I didn't want to be held by the hand but was looking for independence and self-reliance.

    >>Because you know something more than just words or grammar or even "language chunks" <<
    Yes, I absolutely agree with you. Just like some innocent looking words, when spoken, immediately cause all members of our family to roar with laughter.

    I still don't know why the road is paved with YELLOW bricks ??? smiley - erm Yellow symbolizes cowardice or jealousy, doesn't it? I suppose the way to OZ is the way you have to follow in order to find yourself?

    Hope to learn more from you.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Hello, Ingrid!

    This is not a "gap in education" (it's never too late to learn, isn't it? smiley - biggrin). I'm afraid it's just a "lost childhood" or at least a part of it...
    If you are going to read "Alice in Wonderland", you may do it alone (I hope we will chat about this great book later smiley - biggrin), but if you are going to read the "Wizard of Oz" - read it aloud to your children! This is my advice... (It's gonna be a completely different experience!)
    But you may read biographies of Baum and Carroll.
    Those great authors (Lewis Carroll, Frank Baum and Mark Twain ) were virtually contemporaries! They wrote their masterpieces more than 100 years ago but those books are still surprise us by their beauty...
    Now I suggest to talk about translations.

    Alex S

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by lubnatsi (U3977409) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Dear Alex,

    Yet I do not get what yellow brick road is. smiley - smiley Should we follow or say good-bye smiley - biggrin?

    I like Elton John's voice but not much aware of it. Bye the way I ve never heard of this song which is the father of though to open up this thread.

    It is not easy to understand the allegories even in our monthor tongue, so in english it is a big business to cope with. smiley - erm

    Marriage... Would you like to tell me what is marriage looking at your experiences? What do you mean with the song of 'sacrifice' sung by Elton.

    (to be continued)

    P.S. Your english levcel is very very smiley - ok.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by lubnatsi (U3977409) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    We have a common point Ingrid smiley - rose smiley - smiley I ve never read of the ''the wizard of Oz' and Alice in wonderland (when I was little, I watched catoon of it but I do not remember smiley - erm).

    when I think of yellow, the word of illness come up to my mind at first. Secondly, gold....

    Yellow road.... I prefer a road every colour in it.... smiley - biggrin


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  • Message 43

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Hello, Alex

    It's never too late to learn. smiley - smiley

    I'm not sure if my children will listen when I'm reading The Wizard of Oz, they are all grown up and busy. My grandson, I'm sure, would love to listen, but I have to teach him English first. Maybe I find a translation, but actually I'd prefer to read the original. smiley - erm

    Well, I'm happy to tell you that lately I read two books which I missed out on in my childhood, namely 'The Wind in the Willows', and 'Huckleberry Finn', in the original language. smiley - smiley I enjoyed reading them both, but especially Huckleberry Finn. Reading it as an adult was even more rewarding than if I'd read it as a child. I'm sure I wouldn't really have understood it in young years. Have you read Mark Twain's masterpiece?

    I'll read up on Baum and Carroll as soon as I can fit it in … I promise. smiley - smiley

    You'd like to talk about translations? Fine with me. smiley - smiley

    First I have to cook dinner for my family though, I'm sorry! smiley - laugh

    See you later

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Hello, Demet!

    If you think that my English is not too bad, you should thank BBC English for that! It is their achievement - not mine smiley - biggrin Without their tremendous teaching I would never write like this...

    Alex S

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    About that road...
    I think that Baum saw something like this when he was young or maybe it is just a casual "feature"...
    Heroes of his book are marching along that road to fulfil their most desirable wishes! It is a "dreamway" for them. Maybe you heard that famous song sang by Judy Garland... "Somewhere over the rainbow way up high...". I think that metaphorically speaking the "Yellow Brick Road" is a "link" between us and our child's dreams...
    When we are getting older we do not believe anymore in Santa Clauses... We understand that the real world is cruel and hopless... Maybe this Elton John meant by saying good-bye to the "Yellow Brick Road"?....

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Sorry - "hopEless" of course!

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Alex S (U4744604) on Saturday, 24th March 2007

    Hi there again!
    How are you? Busy? Tired?
    I felt drowsy a couple of hours ago and nearly missed this last "opening hour" smiley - biggrin Writing to this Board is like launching a Space Shuttle! - If I miss a "launching window" the next attempt may be just in a couple of days and if it's going to be a mission to Mars the following opportunity may occur only a couple of... years! smiley - biggrin

    I hope you don't mind me to write the third letter in a raw?
    I can't call myself a "bookworm" but I happened to read some famous books. About that "TAMBOV", Ingrid... Do you like reading short stories? Authors like Roald Dahl, John Cheever, O.Henry? (By the way, Mark Twain also wrote lots of wonderful short stories). There's one more very good (British this time) short story writer who took his pseudonym after quite a small Crimean city! This city is very close to the place where Jack claimed to be living...

    Now about that "translation" theme... I think it's gonna be a long chat - I just start the subject to make you think...

    It would be nice if we could read all famous books in original language! But it is very unlikely that we would be able to speak even major World's languages as good as native speakers... The only chance for us to know great authors are still good traslations made by talented and creative writers...

    It is a sad story but from this point of view everything is depending upon your mother tongue and if there are great TRANSLATORS in your nation... It seems I am lucky to be born in the Soviet Union...

    Until tomorrow!

    Alex S

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    Posted by su_san (U2279274) on Sunday, 25th March 2007

    Hi, Alex

    Among the brilliant short story writers I’d mention the Russian Chehov, the French Maupassant and the Italian Italo Calvino too. During my senior school years Chehov’s short stories were one of the biggest experience, Ward no 6 (??) I liked the best. Roald Dahl’s Tales of the Unexpected are amazing and amusing, they have been very popular in Hungary. Very few people here around doesn’t know the story of the frozen wether ham – well, mostly thanks to the film made of it.

    To give some inspiration for translation thread -- Hungarian language is spoken by very few people and due to it unfortunately our great poets are not widely known though their poems would deserve to be read by more poem-lovers. Neither, I guess, very good, valuable, Hungarian short stories, novels are known out of H.

    Have a nice Sunday evening

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Sunday, 25th March 2007

    Dear Alex

    >Heroes of his book are marching along that road to fulfil their most desirable wishes!<
    I see, thank you.

    I read Elton John's song to be about a young man (or woman?) who'd thought he could make his fortune in a city, but realizes that his desires, his 'dreamway', had led him into the wrong direction.

    "I've finally decided my future lies
    Beyond the yellow brick road …"

    He, the youth from the country who hasn't got a penny, obviously feels taken advantage of by a rich or influential person. That was actually why I thought the yellow bricks may be a symbol for gold bars, for money, for success, or wrong life values. The young man was disillusioned and realized that he'd been selling his soul for money, or success, like a mongrel sniffing for tidbits on the ground. No? smiley - erm

    "Maybe you'll get a replacement
    There's plenty like me to be found
    Mongrels who ain't got a penny
    Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground."

    I know Judy Garland's song, yes. It's human nature, I guess, to dream of a land where the grass is greener, or of a safe and secure place, a place without worries but of complete happiness … Paradise, Eden, Heavenly Kingdom, Elysium, Avalon, Valhalla, Shangri-la, Nirvana, Utopia … …

    It's good to have dreams, but it's better to get your work done first girl … my mother used to say. smiley - smiley

    Alex, I don't mind your writing three letters in a row at all, all three are very interesting to read. I would have liked to answer you sooner but I was busy with housewife duties and doing sports smiley - smiley

    Yes, I like reading short stories. Three years ago two friends of mine and I started an English Reading Circle in our small town. We are 8 members now and meet fortnightly. We read and discuss short stories.

    I'm an admirer of Mark Twain's humour. One of his short stories we read is 'Baker's Blue Jay Yarn'. It's hilarious. Other writers we've read are Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, Graham Greene, Alice Walker, Nadine Gordimer, Doris Lessing, Raymond Carver, E.B. White, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Somerset Maugham, also Roald Dahl and O Henry, and a few others.

    We've also read a few of Anton Chekhov's stories, but of course it had to be an English translation. smiley - sadface I wish I could understand Russian. Russian writers are venerated all over the world. I'm sure no translation can completely measure up to the original. The story we are reading in our circle now is 'Dama s sobachkoy' The Lady with the Pet Dog. I found two different translations, one seems to stick more to the original, while the other is the better English. We decided to read the one closer to the original.

    Hope you won't miss the next lauching window but to hear from you again soon.

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    Posted by inegch (U2246749) on Sunday, 25th March 2007

    Hello Demet.

    You just made my day, smiley - rose I really started thinking I was the only one who'd missed out on those two important pieces of literature. smiley - winkeye

    A road with every colour in it would look nice, I'm sure. Like a rainbow maybe. smiley - magic I think I'd like to follow a road which is as colourful as life itself. smiley - smiley

    So long

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