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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Anushka (U15402927) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    this is about "by then"

    Dear Teachers

    could you please correct the below sentences
    Don’t come at 4 pm because I will be studying by then.
    He came around 5 and I was eating by then.

    are they correct? I posted about "by then" before and it was well answered by two great teachers but I forgot ask this part in that question and its my fault. so could you please explain?

    Thank you
    Anushka

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by GPY (U15232859) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    They are both correct.

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    Posted by AussieLexie (U13880784) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    I think it would be more natural to use ‘then’ rather than ‘by then’ in both of your sentences.

    ‘then’ = at that time
    ‘by then’ = during the period until a certain time

    Don’t come at 4 pm because I will be studying then.
    He came around 5 and I was eating then.

    OR

    Don’t come at 4 pm because I will have started studying by then.
    He came around 5 and I had started eating by then.


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    Posted by Anushka (U15402927) on Friday, 16th November 2012

    They are both correct.  Hello

    Thank you very much for checking them.

    Thank you
    Anushka

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Anushka (U15402927) on Friday, 16th November 2012

    I think it would be more natural to use ‘then’ rather than ‘by then’ in both of your sentences.

    ‘then’ = at that time
    ‘by then’ = during the period until a certain time

    Don’t come at 4 pm because I will be studying then.
    He came around 5 and I was eating then.

    OR

    Don’t come at 4 pm because I will have started studying by then.
    He came around 5 and I had started eating by then.


    AL smiley - smiley 
    Hello AL

    Thank you very much for your time spent on answering that question because that question remained unanswered for long. So Al I would like to ask one more question, Do we always have to use “by then” with perfect tense? So what about past perfect? Can I use it with past perfect?
    I don’t know if I have understood this right but according to your explanation I guess we can use “then” with past continuous and future continuous. Am I right AL?

    AL this question is not related to this topic but I posted it couple of times but no teacher answered it and it is about the word "hopefully".The below sentence is from a dictionary.

    Hopefully, I'll be back home by 10 o'clock.

    would you mind explaining to me if "hopefully" can be used in other tenses (present and past) in this sense?


    Thank you
    Anushka

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    Posted by AussieLexie (U13880784) on Friday, 16th November 2012

    Hello, Anushka

    An example of ‘by then’ with past perfect:

    She did not enjoy the book when she read it because she HAD SEEN the movie by then.

    Yes, ‘then’ can be used with past continuous and future continuous.

    The adverb sentence ‘hopefully’ (meaning ‘it is to be hoped that’) is used to express what someone hopes will happen in the future. However, I would advise against using it in formal writing. I have heard it used with tenses other than future tense but I would not use it that way in written text.

    The Oxford dictionary offers a clear explanation:
    oxforddictionaries.c...

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Anushka (U15402927) on Saturday, 17th November 2012

    Hello AL

    Thank you very much for your example of “by then” in past perfect it helped to clear my doubts about its use in the past perfect. AL we don’t always have to use “by then” with only perfect tense do we? Is this correct?
    “I worked in that company by then”
    About “hopefully” thank you very much for helping me to learn the real use of “hopefully”. The link you gave was very helpful and I will do as you advised about using it only in the future tense and even the link gave me the same explanation.

    Thank you
    Anushka

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by AussieLexie (U13880784) on Saturday, 17th November 2012

    The expression ‘by then’ (by a specified time) can be used with other tenses but it is usually used with perfect tenses, in particular the future perfect tense.

    I worked in that company by then. NO

    Unicorns United expanded into Asia in 2010. I was working in that company by then. YES
    The party is on Wednesday. They should be here by then. YES
    This time next year she will be eighteen. By then she hopes to have a boyfriend. YES.


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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Anushka (U15402927) on Sunday, 18th November 2012

    Hello AL

    Thank you very much for answering my every question and the answers you gave are very much helpful. AL I guess the reason why you said this sentence is wrong “I worked in that company by then. NO
    ” is that it doesn’t mention a specified time like in your example (Unicorns United expanded into Asia in 2010. I was working in that company by then). Anyway I will follow what you taught me when using “by then & hopefully”. By the way AL are you an English Teacher?

    Thank you
    Anushka

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by AussieLexie (U13880784) on Sunday, 18th November 2012



    By the way AL are you an English Teacher?

     


    I am. smiley - smiley

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