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  • Message 1. Posted by Greystones (U14199169) on Tuesday, 25th May 2010permalink

    Can anyone give me some idea of the typical Mb size of say an hour's programme or film when downloaded from iPlayer? As you may be aware, Broadband packages allow specific free monthly amounts and one needs to be aware of overrun and associated costs. When downloading to my Humax PVR it did not tell me how large the file was, unless I missed something?

    Also, is it true that one cannot record the downloaded file?

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  • Message 2. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Tuesday, 25th May 2010permalink

    Hi,
    Not sure how big file sizes are for the Humax, but an hours programme on iPlayer is around 600MB at the highest SD quality. The Humax streams will either be that or more I would have thought.

    Also, is it true that one cannot record the downloaded file?

    Downloads cannot be kept.

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  • Message 3. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 25th May 2010permalink

    The iPlayer Desktop & Windows downloads specify the file size when you are selecting them. ( Expect something in the order of >= 600MB/Hr )
    The streamed files do not, and come in differing bandwidths & some programmes are in both SD or HD versions.
    As a first approximation the downloads and streamed programmes are probably similar sizes when in similar resolutions.

    I do NOT know what is available for the Humax, but I imagine it may uses similar bandwidth to iPlayer.
    How do you access the programmes you are talking about, cable TV ?

    If you are getting the programmes via freesat then, I would think, by definition you are not getting it over ordinary paid for BroadBand. (Re freesat see www.freesat.co.uk/in... )

    Also, is it true that one cannot record the downloaded file?

    Downloaded files are designed to be played in iPlayer Desktop or Windows Media Player, both restrict how long the files may be retained and used for.
    Have a look at the iPlayer searchable Help& Faq section for more information: www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...

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  • Message 4. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Tuesday, 25th May 2010permalink

    Downloaded files are designed to be played in iPlayer Desktop or Windows Media Player, both restrict how long the files may be retained and used for

    I don't know how the Humax iPlayer works. Maybe it has it's own download function but either way the downloads can;t be kept.

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  • Message 5. Posted by Dave-iPlayerOps (U8437698) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    Hi Grey-stones,

    Typical file sizes for a 1hr programme are:

    Streaming (PC, PS3)
    Low bandwidth streaming (480Kbps) = 190-210MB
    Standard quality streaming (800Kbps) = 320-340MB
    High quality streaming (1500Kbps) = 600-640MB
    High definition streaming (2800Kbps) = 1.10-1.20GB

    Mobile
    Mobile streaming (396Kbps) = 160-170MB
    Mobile 3g streaming = 120-130MB

    Downloads
    iPlayer desktop (1500Kbps) = 600-640MB
    Windows Media Player (WMV) = 550-600MB
    Portable devices (WMV) = 210-230MB

    Set-Top-Boxes, FreeSat, TVs etc
    Standard quality streaming (800Kbps) = 320-340MB
    High quality streaming (1500Kbps) = 600-640MB
    High definition streaming (2800Kbps) = 1.1-1.2GB

    Dave

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  • Message 6. Posted by Greystones (U14199169) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    To all of you who have responded so quickly please accept my gratitude and thanks. Very helpful.

    I wonder if you would agree with me that the BBC (& ITV!) would make the iplayer facility even more user-friendly (and potentially of less cost to users!) if they would enable copying of streamed or downloaded programmes at all times for later watching, for the benefit of those of us who have ISP's whose tariffs provide unlimited amounts during the midnight-early morning hours? It would also surely reduce peaks during the daytime periods?

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  • Message 7. Posted by Dave-iPlayerOps (U8437698) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    Hi Grey-stones,

    You may be interested in using the new iPlayer v3 Beta. Details can be found in this Service Update - www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    This will allow you to pre-book downloads (where available) and even schedule what time you download them with the new iPlayer Desktop application.

    Dave

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  • Message 8. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    Dave,

    Does the Beta give multiple bandwidth options ?
    I did not notice them.
    ( ' Comments on iPlayer beta ' www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb... )

    John

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  • Message 9. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    Does the Beta give multiple bandwidth options?

    It sort of does but not as effectively as the standard iPlayer, 1500 is played if the screen video window is bigger when play is pressed, and 796 plays if it's the smaller window (the button is now integrated into the video control bar). Changing the window size during playback doesn't seem to alter the stream bitrate line normal iPlayer does so you need to refresh the page and start resume or start the stream again to see the bitrate change.

    Can't see a lower bandwidth option though.

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  • Message 10. Posted by Dave-iPlayerOps (U8437698) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    Hi John99,

    The 800 & 1500 files are accessible same as before - by adjusting the size of the video playing area - iplayerhelp.external...

    I'll find out about the lack of Low bandwidth link for you.

    Dave

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  • Message 11. Posted by Dave-iPlayerOps (U8437698) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    @John99

    As matt rightly pointed out, the screen resizing button has moved from the top right corner and is now between the Sound level and Fullscreen button.

    Dave

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  • Message 12. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Wednesday, 26th May 2010permalink

    @Matt & Dave,
    Thanks, no problem whilst a Beta demo; but I hope it does not indicate the lowbandwidth option is going to be lost.

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  • Message 13. Posted by Greystones (U14199169) on Thursday, 27th May 2010permalink

    Thanks again, Dave, for your info. I did follow your link but it only seemed to be for portable playback devices and not yet for fixed ones like my Humax HD PVR? In any case, I guess it will eventually mean first downloading to my laptop and then transfering to the Humax via the home network? Did I miss something?

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  • Message 14. Posted by Dave-iPlayerOps (U8437698) on Thursday, 27th May 2010permalink

    Hi Grey-stones,

    Downloads are available for PC, Mac, Linux as well as Windows Media Player and portable devices.

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    This Anthony Rose blog about v3 iPlayer - specifically point 10, shows the options that are available. Set top boxes, (enabled) Tv's and FreeSat cannot download iPlayer content to file for playing later, they're streaming only.

    Downloaded files cannot be transferred to a Humax HD PVR because it doesn't support Windows DRM and iPlayer Desktop download files will only work from the iPlayer Desktop application.

    Dave

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  • Message 15. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Thursday, 27th May 2010permalink

    @ Greystones,

    I thought I would mention some of the basics incase you are new to iPlayer, and try to find out a bit more about what you are actually using, the information may help anyone trying to answer your questions.

    _ Streamind vs Downloading
    There are two distinct methods of watching iPlayer Streaming and Downloading. The streaming includes the Live TV as it is simulcast, and the watch again options for many proggrammes. Anything streamed is watched as it streams. See the searchable Help &Faq section for more information.

    _ Downloads
    You may note that the ordinary present iPlayer service allows downloads by two methods
    1) iPlayer Desktop
    2) windows files (including portable version)
    It is possible if you wish to schedule these on your own computer to initiate download in off peak periods if you wish. (I can find links if you need them)

    _ New Trial: iPlayer Beta
    The trial Beta version of iPlayer offers; or in some cases will offer; better facilities including scheduling downloads as you require, and possibly even downloading some programmes in advance of the date or time they will become available. It specifically mentions off peak scheduling of downloads.

    _ Your Setup
    What exactly is your "Humax PVR" and what model is it ?
    -- IS it merely a Personal Video Recorder with a FreeView tuner?

    --IS this connected to BroadBand, as your op seems to imply, if so
    - to what ?
    -and how ?
    -- IS it able to use FREESAT and is that what you are doing ?
    --IS it able to use Windows Downloads ?


    I know nothing about the Humax PVR you are mentioning.
    I do not know what is available for your Humax PVR, and I am not sure how you are obtaining whatever BBC content you are using on it.
    Are you
    - streaming Freesat ?
    - or downloading or streaming by cable ?
    - Or is the Humax PVR capable of playing the Windows downloads (or 'portable' Windows downloads) ?

    John

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  • Message 16. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Thursday, 27th May 2010permalink

    smiley - doh sorry clashed with your post Dave

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