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  • Message 121. Posted by MichaelE (U14391464) on Friday, 19th March 2010 permalink

    Onslow, I apologise, I had your name in my clipboard for some reason, this was meant to be to anyone not just you :@)

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  • Message 122. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Friday, 19th March 2010 permalink

    Hi Michael,
    It would be very difficult to make something that's compatible with every OS and every version. iPlayer supports the 3 main OS types (Windows, Mac OS X and Linux) plus various other devices like the Wii, PS3 etc.

    if I HAVE THE INTERNET I NEED A LICENSE weather or not I own a TV

    I'm fairly sure you don't need one if you're not watching live streaming.

    What ever happened to that nice codec BBC were working on to ensure it was not Microsoft / anyone else dependant?

    That is iPlayer Desktop. It supports the main OS types.

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  • Message 123. Posted by Onslow The Cat (U13672446) on Friday, 19th March 2010 permalink

    Onslow, I apologise


    Thanks, but apologies not needed. I think we understand the point being made on the thread. Whether the BBC will reverse their policy is another matter smiley - laugh !

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  • Message 124. Posted by Alex Cockell (U14385942) on Friday, 19th March 2010 permalink

    Umm - but in the case of Linux - it *doesn't*.

    The BBC has inadvertently forced iPlayer users to be tied into an EULA with Adobe - and have ended up limiting themselves to the platforms Adobe Flash >8 runs on.. in the case of desktop use.

    Consequently, they've inadvertently possibly broken several clauses in their own Fair Trading guidelines - [Unsuitable/Broken URL removed by Moderator]

    Specifically - on page 46, there is a clause about "Tying: making supply of one product conditional on the customer accepting another product" which is described as a "Potential non-pricing abuse(s)". Through their actions, the BBC have tied iPlayer customers to Adobe.

    Please could someone review some of the suggestions being made on the Internet blog thread - for example, these comments.. www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    A key point in that discussion is...
    "Remember, the key point is that the BBC should not be mandating a proprietary, single-source, vendor specific technology.

    The BBC should not be mandating that all users must install Adobe technology. The BBC should not be mandating that all entrepreneurs who want to build catchup-enabled TVs/STBs must be at the whim /of a single vendor/ ."

    SWF Verification is a fig-leaf at best. Here's a suggestion as to how the same thing could be achieved using open standards... www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Here is the crux - full post... www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...
    Key issue... "It is not us who wish to dictate the medium, we merely wish that the BBC does not dictate whose vendors technology we have to use.

    We merely wish that the BBC *not* require us to enter into licensing agreements with Adobe. We merely wish the ability to build TV/set-top-box software on top of non-PC architectures, without having to pay Adobe royalties (and potentially large porting fees).

    The BBC has not, for a very long time, had the general right to restrict access to equipment built on the technology of a single vendor.

    For this reason, for TV equipment, as you pointed out, the BBC is involved in formulating standards in co-operation with a number of vendors and broadcasters. These standards are then openly published (modulo some recent controversy of course).

    We'll settle for that with catchup."

    And from the BBC charter with a developer's comments.. www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Key issue is this...
    "BBC Online should, at all times, balance the potential for creating public value against the risk of negative market impact."

    I do not believe the BBCs' programmers should be the sole supplier of iPlayer clients. I do not believe the BBC should be building its iPlayer on the proprietary, single-source technology of Adobe.

    I do believe other programmers, including free software programmers and entrepreneurial programmers, who wish to build software and/or devices to access BBC iPlayer should be allowed to do so, on the same terms as anyone else - including the BBC software development working on iPlayer. I believe to restrict non-BBC programmers in this way is anti-competitive, hurts the market and goes against the remit set for BBC Online. I believe favouring the proprietary of a single vendor is prejudicial to all other vendors who compete in that space or with that vendor in any other way. **It is prejudicial to STB/TV software vendors who are left at the whim of a single-vendor (i.e. when it comes to porting Adobe flash to their embedded STB system).**

    The BBC should instead move to build iPlayer on multi-vendor, open standards based technologies (e.g. HTML5 as an example of an existing tech; otherwise the BBC should participate in standards setting if no current standards are suitable)."

    The BBC is no longer in control of iPlayer - Adobe is - as the contribution to the solution the Beeb make is reliant on Adobe still enabling their client to run - and kit that Adobe do not develop for is locked out.

    The FOSS community would probably be willing to help support and extend... just give people an open spec, and we can all help to make legal ways of watching BBC content much more attractive than dubious torrents et al.

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  • Message 125. Posted by Alex Cockell (U14385942) on Friday, 19th March 2010 permalink

    Oh - in addition - iPlayer Desktop is interpreted code running on top of another company's proprietary solution. Rather than, say, being an open client that the Beeb are fully responsible for.

    If they came in behind GStreamer, XBMC, Boxee etc.. they'd have a VERY wide reach with less work for them.

    But - I s'pose there's a big dose of Not Invented Here... you have FOSS developers who'd LOVE to help! That way - iPlayer becomes truly multiplatform... as plugins to open-source media players.

    How about it?

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  • Message 126. Posted by Matt Sephton (U1212465) on Tuesday, 20th April 2010 permalink

    I've resorted to downloading iPlayer content with a script I have that still works, and then copying it onto my Xbox for viewing. Not ideal but where there is a will there is a way!

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  • Message 127. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 20th April 2010 permalink

    @Matt Sephton
    Your post may highlight the why the BBC perceives encouraging use of open source players for BBC content to be a risk, opening up or highlighting vulnerabilities.

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  • Message 128. Posted by Alex Cockell (U14385942) on Thursday, 29th April 2010 permalink

    And in most cases, it sounds like an act of desperation.

    People WANT to view BBC content.. Why is it seen as somehow illicit when open source developers want to *help* the Beeb in this way?

    Why is the Beeb adamant that while they use open-source tools to roll out something like iPlayer, that same community is kicked in the teeth when they develop streaming-only clients like XBMC?

    Please,, BBC - meet us halfway. In just the same way that PAL TVs could be built by hobbyists, and radios could be built back in the 20s... if people are improving on the Beeb's offering as far as clients go... *help them*!

    Please don't do a Sky on us...

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  • Message 129. Posted by Alex Cockell (U14385942) on Thursday, 29th April 2010 permalink

    Matt - the "nice codec" was the Dirac project. How is that going on, btw?

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  • Message 130. Posted by Federico Sacerdoti (U14477903) on Saturday, 22nd May 2010 permalink

    My wife and I love the BBC and have the XBMC system to listen to radio in our home in New York City. We would like to pay for the service, perhaps on a monthly basis. Is this possible?

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  • Message 131. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Saturday, 22nd May 2010 permalink

    NO
    Not at the moment at least. That sort of question must be one of the most frequently made suggestions on this section of the messageboard.

    Should anything change in the future I get the impression from reading this current thread that XBMC is no longer likely to feature in any BBC plans.

    You do mention listening to Radio, BBC radio is available through a variety of means, some ovewrseas, including probably on the computer you are using now.
    see
    iplayerhelp.external...
    and some parts of: faq.external.bbc.co....

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  • Message 132. Posted by matpol (U14482323) on Thursday, 27th May 2010 permalink

    This is so annoying - seems like the BBC are quite happy to support the ipad but when it comes to something that really should be in their remit in terms of providing access to their content they take it away. I don't care about the ipad I don't think the BBC should go out of their way to support it as it will just promote more sales for apple.

    The xbmc plugin was made in the best interests of oss and in someways should fit in well with BBC and it's supposed ethos. But no the BBC want get all the bandwagons going and support all corporate nobbins out there to help increase their sales

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  • Message 133. Posted by BBC auto-messages (U8526101) on Thursday, 27th May 2010 permalink

    Editorial Note: This conversation has been moved from 'Suggestions' to 'Archived threads'.

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  • Message 134. Posted by sheila graham (U14730065) on Wednesday, 22nd December 2010 permalink

    hi! just wondering if you found a solution? my bbc iplayer is breaking up badley!! streasming is horrible & i am desperate to find an answer??

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  • Message 135. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Thursday, 23rd December 2010 permalink

    Hi Sheila,

    I suggest you post your own thread in the TV or Radio section of the messageboard. When you do please read the information in the box above and if possible give further information about what you are doing and what you use.
    If you do not understand something say so, someone will try to explain.

    This thread is mainly about a third party media player that was blocked by BBC changes. to how iPlayer functions.

    Also note there is a searchable help and faq section, and that downloading is possible instead of streaming for some content, that may be beneficial depending on your situation.

    TV section - www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb... <-- clickable link --
    One of the faqs - "Where to get BBC iPlayer" - iplayerhelp.external...

    Good Luck,

    John

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  • Message 136. Posted by WorldCupMadness (U14319566) on Sunday, 1st May 2011 permalink

    I tried iPlayer on the latest version of Ubuntu 10.10 and found it to be broken with problems downloading files.

    I then tried get-iplayer which still works and has some nice retry logic over dodgy connections which is what you probably have if you are downloading.

    Hope get-iplayer continues to work since it seems like a really good solution. Shame the streaming solution is no longer supported by the BEEB.

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  • Message 137. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 3rd May 2011 permalink

    Not much point in posting in an archived thread.

    I note you have posted elsewhere as well. Assuming your Linux version is supported and you have a suitable machine and software then in addition to posting on the messageboard if you think you have found a fault use the contact form.

    There are also faqs about what to do when you have problems, and logfiles may be available, but rather pointless me going into detail here.

    BTW I am fairly sure get-iPlayer is NOT supported by the BBC

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