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WMA International Streams Dropping Out For All Radio Stations

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  • Message 1. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    For the last week or two I've been experiencing serious dropouts for Listen Again WMA International Streams (R7, R4, R2, etc...). I wasn't having this problem before. (The BBC web pages are also loading rather slowly).

    I'm using Real Player v. 10.5
    Windows XP

    I'll mention another weird thing. I have my laptop display settings set to shut off after one minute to save energy while I'm listening to BBC Radio. The display shuts off correctly with BBC's Listen Again .RA files but it doesn't for the .WMA files. What's the difference?

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  • Message 2. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    I'm in the US by the way, if that's helpful.

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  • Message 3. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on , permalink

    Hi Janaru,
    I am just an ordinary user in the uk & with no suitable proxy not able to test your listen again .wma streams. I do have a few suggestions though:
    - run iPlayer diagnostics and give the results
    - try the listen live streams in Windows Flash & RealPlayer do they work ok ?
    - have a glance at some of the other threads, note a couple of very long ones regarding radio R4/bandwidth problems in Europe from about Christmas until very recently.

    If you do have a problem that you think is BBC related rather than internet related, I suggest you then also report the problem with the contact form.


    PS possibly a problem on Windows streams in uk this morning, just from a single observation the R3 windows stream may not be working on my system currently.

    John

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  • Message 4. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on , permalink

    I have not myself sent off a contact form but notice I am unable to play both Radio 3 and Radio four Windows Listen Live streams this morning.
    My internet seems fine, & WMP works I have just downloaded and can play an iPlayer TV programme.

    Also it may be relavant, I do not normally listen to R4 at this time on Sunday but trying the default uk Flash stream and it is ok, BUT the Low bandwidth sounds terrible. Normally playing through a cheap computer speaker or earphone there is not any noticeable difference between the bandwidths. I will send of a contact form report about that.

    John

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  • Message 5. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    Thanks for the reply, John :)

    I don't know how to run an iPlayer diagnostic. Unless you just mean to play an iPlayer file and see how it goes, which is a good suggestion, even if it's not quite what you meant.

    I will definitely try the live streams, that's a good suggestion as well.

    I hadn't had any problems with these until just this last week or so. I hadn't changed anything (not on purpose anyway) so I was a bit flummoxed as to why it started going wonky.

    I will give those a try and see what happens.

    Thanks so much :)
    Jan

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  • Message 6. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on , permalink

    :) Jan see: www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye... {diagnostics]

    And also note the RealPlayer streams are being phased out by the BBC you will need to use something else soon. As you have a Windows computer the default flash streams are the alternative of choice for live streams.

    I suspect as I get heavy distortion on low bandwidth there will be a bbc problem.

    Good luck

    John

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  • Message 7. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    Looks like I cross-posted :S

    iPlayer seems to be fine, so far, but Live WMA links are dropping out as well.

    Sounds like somethings up doesn't it?

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  • Message 8. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    Ah, thanks for that ;)

    Results:

    Download: 721 kpbs
    Stream #1: 1454 kpbs
    Stream #2: 2739 kpbs
    Stream #2: 2118 kpbs

    Radio = 128 kpbs

    I haven't used RA files regularly since October. I'm using WMA files from beebotron.org/index3lite.php?reload in Real Player 10.5.

    I knew they were getting rid of the RA's and the Beebotron has been working on the WMA links since the change was first announce. They've been working fine until recently.

    Maybe it's just me....I just don't know what "it" is :S

    Nifty little diagnostic site ;)

    Thanks for that!
    Jan

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  • Message 9. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on , permalink

    You may be interested in the BBC pages listing streams:
    iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/finding_programmes/real_wma_streams
    { the above page was edited & now probably has been removed - so I have put text not link ]
    iplayerhelp.external... {local & World Service - includes WS RealPlayer]
    iplayerhelp.external... { short list of main windows streams]

    Note the continuing RealPlayer WorldService urls are listed on the bbc pages I have mentioned, the other RealPlayer streams do not seem to be listed by the BBC, they do still work if you know them and have RealPlayer

    Obviously if having a problem with a third party such as Beebotron you should contact them, I also suggest you try the BBC own streams. If you get replies from a third party saying fault lies with BBC, it may prove of interest to others and worth mentioning here.

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  • Message 10. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    Oh yes, Beebotron already knows about it, but only a few seem to be having difficulty. No rhyme or reason either, apparently, some inside UK are having a problem, while others outside UK are doing fine. Very strange. There is a discussion on their forum, as well as a "test" site for WMA's and such.

    Thanks for the links. I had the first one, but not the other. I've bookmarked it now.

    I listened to Smiley on Classic Serial on R4 via Live WMA link yesterday with no problem, although I was using VLC at the time. I keep thinking it may be a Real Player setting I'm having trouble with. I've contacted them and perused their help pages, but nothing definitive yet.

    I really appreciate all the help, John. :) Any other ideas please let me know.

    Thanks!
    Jan

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  • Message 11. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on , permalink

    You listen to R4
    The default iPlayer listen live will be available in the uk only as 48kbps I assume a url that will work is: www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye... {fourfm - R4 flash]

    _ R4 Long Wave_
    Radio 4 also broadcasts on lw and schedule & programmes may differ schedule is: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4... (the Listen live link on the top of that page plays FM ! the lw stream can be found from: www.bbc.co.uk/radio4... and iswww.bbc.co.uk/iplaye... {fourlw - R4 LW flash]

    _ R4 Windows_
    BBC listing page iplayerhelp.external... R4 is: bbc.co.uk/radio/list... {r4.asx - windows]
    For some reason I am having problems myself with the Windows iPlayer Radio streams at the moment. But not the Flash 128kbps streams or iPlayer TV downloads.

    _R4 RealPlayer_
    As stated previously these are being phased out, they are no longer default or listed and if you want to play it you will need to probably need to paste the link into RealPlayer, or already have RP setup. www.bbc.co.uk/radio/... {r4lw.ram - FM RealPlayer] & www.bbc.co.uk/radio/... {r4lw.ram - LW RealPlayer]
    You do not need to go directly to the RP site to use this, BUT it will be discontinued in a few weeks by the bbc.
    (presumably also any RealPlayer site bbc streams will also cease - or as an RP user do you know better ? )

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  • Message 12. Posted by JoeChip (U13759661) on , permalink

    This is happening listening via internet radio too, as reported here:

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    Usual helpful response from the Beeb ...

    Anyway, rebuffering is happening on Real and WMA. Real has now dropped to 21kbps :-(

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  • Message 13. Posted by matt (U8621220) on , permalink

    Usual helpful response from the Beeb ...

    Have you sent them an email?

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  • Message 14. Posted by JoeChip (U13759661) on , permalink

    A number over a period of time ... however, BBC response on this board is very selective ... unfortunately, no-one from the BBC seems to want to comment on this continuing issue ... I mean, a "working towards ..." would at least mean the matter is receiving some attention ...

    ... thanks for the suggestion anyway.

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  • Message 15. Posted by Janaru (U12763248) on , permalink

    (presumably also any RealPlayer site bbc streams will also cease - or as an RP user do you know better ? )


    No, I believe this is still correct. The RA files will cease, although the WMA files can still be played in Real Player, which is what I've been doing.

    I prefer Real Player as I can create a playlist from the Listen Again links and just let it go.

    I'm not a fan of Windows Media Player, and stay away from it whenever I can. I don't care for iPlayer much either, as their is no playlist option available.

    When I listened to R4 live I used the FM WMA link.

    Joe is correct, in that the RA files have been dropping out as well, although I haven't experienced it quite as often as the WMA files.

    Thanks again for the help, all :)

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