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  • Message 181. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    @ Peta Msg #180

    Hi Peter (a typical male first name, also one part of my full name).

    why the idea that WMA files can only be listened to on windows,

    If I recall correctly Apple Mac s support for WMP files on its normally available software may have varied slightly over time. Of course with any anti piracy measure, there is a war with pirates and ways to attempt circumvention.
    The iPlayer Windows video files .wmv are DVM protected and designed for Windows Media Payer (WMP) and to restrict play and storage with DRM. Such files can effectively only be played on a fully compatible Windows machine typically directly playing on Windows Media Player.

    I had always assumed the .wma iPlayer streams may well be DRM protected. Some wma or wmv files are produced and commonly used without DRM, these are a lot easier to play, by definition they have no restrictions & no need to handle the DRM, such files play on many third party players and on many can be converted from and to other video or audio formats.

    Not sure if that partially answers your question
    John

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  • Message 182. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    @ Lysistrata msg#179

    Thanks for info.

    That link should be designed for playing on Windows computers as one of the alternative official BBC streams for Radio 4.

    John

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  • Message 183. Posted by Lysistrata (U14287363) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    Peta
    "I am a bit bemused why the idea that WMA files can only be listened to on windows, can someone please clarify" - well, I got the idea from John99 who said about your solution in msg 22 on the Overseas Listeners thread: "Not solved for those without windows". So I don't really know what I'm talking about, just repeating something I overheard the grownups say........ But you're right - it's a stand alone bit of kit. Now I'm the numpty.

    Security software eh? a couple of years ago I spent a whole afternoon installing new Norton software. Only for it to abort at the end because it had spotted an intruder. Yep, you've got it, it spotted itself coming in. I wrote an article about it at the time called "The Allen Ginsberg of Internet Security".

    Thanks for the gender clarification. People kept on referring to you as "he" and it just kind of felt wrong.

    Son las cosas de la vida.

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  • Message 184. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    @ Peta msg#163

    PS It is a pity that this message board does not notify us when a reply has been posted. Or am I missing some setting some where?


    Are you using 'My Discussions'
    If so two observations.
    - firstly
    This may vary slightly dependent on which my discussions you use, you will be able to access discussions from other bbc message boards also
    - secondly
    if you are using the iPlayer message boards own my discussions reload the page it includes a count of replies that have not been read, that count probably only decrements whilst you are inmy discussions, but it increments with all new posts.

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  • Message 185. Posted by peta (U14282528) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    hello all

    Thanks for the explanation about DRM, it rings a bell now from a long time ago when the change over was being discussed from RP to iPlayer / media player ... thats why I was looking for mediaplayer streams as an alternative. Google at the time offered no results, and neither did the BBC site search (which I have to say leaves a lot to be desired).

    I did have linux installed, but never used it, and its a fag to reinstall, so I think I will remain unenlighted in a practical way. But the DRM explanation makes perfect sense. I don't know if you see the adverts in the UK, but the Beeb are really pumping hard on selling 'audio book' CDs of just about anythign you can listen to on radio for, I was astonished to see Giles Wembly Hogg is available... which is great I love it.

    It had not occured ot me that they had made the stream unrippable.

    Anyway, iPlayer working non stop Radio4 since this time yesterday. No propblems at all.

    PS @John That Peter is a senior male relative domiciled in the UK :-)

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  • Message 186. Posted by Peter Crossley (U14288890) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    In reply to your post John . . .

    When you say "less" listeners, I feel sure you mean "fewer" listeners, but that's ok because Sainsbury's used to ask people to use their "less than 10 items" checkout. All well educated and intelligent people with a grammar problem.

    Having said all that, I now find that BBC R4 is again available and is working well via the iPlayer link from the BBC Radio website.

    But didn't it take some time? And an awful lot of complaining?

    No word from the Beeb as to who was to blame, but I still feel certain that this was a software glitch that needed correcting. Perhaps even a hacker attack on the BBC system?

    Will we ever know?

    Thanks to Lysistrata and to Peta and to all the Johns and Jons for your friendly support during the last month. Look forward to our next session. Take care, won't you.

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  • Message 187. Posted by peta (U14282528) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    Hey peter,

    I second that, thanks all for being so supportive, I won;t exagerate if I say that my Christmas was considerably less enjoyable without real time contact with my favorite radio station. it was an incredible comfort to find that I was not alone... it seemed inicially to be some thing we would have have to fix, but in the end how could the BBC not work for days, let alone weeks? To tell you truth before I found this mesage board, which is not obvious by any stretch of the imagination, I was about to give up.

    So thankfully it seems to be working again. It would be nice to know what happened... but I think this is a Rolls Royce moment, they never breakdown.

    So thanks to john, Lysistrata, peter and everyone for collectively getting this taken seriously :)

    Live long and prosper.

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  • Message 188. Posted by Steve_Worp (U14275060) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    Hi - Just thought I'd add a (hopefully) final contribution insofar that it seems that the problem has been solved - Radio 4 live has been consistent for the last couple of days - so whoever it was solved it - Thank you - Thank you John for your patience and all the other contributors who helped to rattle a few cages until the problem was taken seriously. Cheers

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  • Message 189. Posted by John99 (U13871221) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    Sorry not hot on grammar or spelling

    When you say "less" listeners, I feel sure you mean "fewer" listeners, but that's ok
    Glad to know I am in good company, also under impression less may be used acceptably with collective nouns such as listeners.

    Will be interesting to see if this problem has now been resolved, and whether this or a similar type of problem will re-occur. If we are lucky BBC will end the speculation with some insightful comments on what did happen, but I will not be holding my breath.

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  • Message 190. Posted by Onslow The Cat (U13672446) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink

    John, you are right.

    The Fewer vs Less argument is as follows:

    Fewer refers to things you can count.... like items in a basket.
    Less refers to things you can't count.... like invisible iPlayer listeners.

    Hopefully the R4 problems have been resolved, with no small thanks to you for your efforts at getting posters to provide useful information... how *up* do you feel for getting the TV threads into shape!! ;-)

    <blackcat>

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  • Message 191. Posted by Elli (U14274250) on Tuesday, 19th January 2010 permalink


    It is lovely to have R4 back - been working now for 2 days in Finland

    - just like to add my thanks to everyone

    Elli

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  • Message 192. Posted by crm114 (U14295549) on Wednesday, 20th January 2010 permalink

    seems to be working in Stuttgart Germany quite well for the last 2 days

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  • Message 193. Posted by Lysistrata (U14287363) on Wednesday, 20th January 2010 permalink

    Good morning Europe and The World.
    Hopefully my last post on this (was out last night) but wanted to say thank you. Yes, seems to be solved.
    Thank you to everyone. So glad to have found you all. I've learnt a lot, including humility.
    Also there are far far more of us non-uk listeners than ever found our way on to this message board and posted, you know.
    I thought we made a magnificent international team! And kept each other sane and informed and entertained along the way.
    Now, what will be our next challenge to which we will boldly rise?

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  • Message 194. Posted by Jon iPlayer Host (U8557168) on Thursday, 21st January 2010 permalink

    Good to hear it seems to be working again and there are no new reports here. I'm closing this thread now, so if problems crop up please start a new thread.

    Thanks,

    Jonathan

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