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Empire of the Seas: How the Navy Forged the Modern World SD version Missing

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  • Message 1. Posted by Chris (U14337830) on Saturday, 13th February 2010 permalink

    I watched episode one in SD last night but now all i get is HD versions

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  • Message 2. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Saturday, 13th February 2010 permalink

    Hi Chris,
    All the SD versions have expired. The last episode was broadcast on Friday the 5th so expired last night (Friday the 12th). The final HD broadcast we on Wednesday the 10th so will expire on Wednesday the 17th

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  • Message 3. Posted by BBC auto-messages (U8526101) on Monday, 15th February 2010 permalink

    Editorial Note: This conversation has been moved from 'Service updates' to 'TV'.

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  • Message 4. Posted by MCMLXXII (U13973625) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010 permalink

    I noticed that but did you notice that the HD version does not have subtitles?

    Why is this ?

    I have watched HD programmes before with subtitles so what is the problem?

    I watched it in SD mode during the subtitling crisis and 3.5 programmes into it before being thwarted by the simple lack of subtitles

    With a HD programme the subtitles surely wouldnt carry THAT much bandwidth ?

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  • Message 5. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010 permalink

    To me honest my best guess would be that the subtitles were set to expire at the same time as the SD version (forgetting that the HD version would still be available at that point for a few more days).

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  • Message 6. Posted by MCMLXXII (U13973625) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010 permalink

    If you aren't a BBC employee how come you are so knowledgeable in these matters?

    Don't hearing impaired people have a right to watch HD programmes also ?

    I remember "Lost Land of the Volcano" had subtitles on the HD version.

    This begs the question was it an oversight or pure laziness ?

    It looks increasingly likely that I will miss this programme "Empire of the Seas" so how do I go about finding out when its repeated on terrestrial TV ?

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  • Message 7. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010 permalink

    I'm not a BBC employee but over the time that I've been on these boards I've learned quite a bit about how the system works.

    Don't hearing impaired people have a right to watch HD programmes also?

    Of course you do. I think it was an oversight.

    Have you filled in the contact form? iplayerhelp.external...

    It might be that the BBC are not aware that this has happened. I'm not sure if there is enough time left for them to correct this now but fill in the contact form and let them know about the problems and how you feel. They won't have done it on purpose.

    how do I go about finding out when its repeated on terrestrial TV?

    Keep an eye on the following page and it should say when there is a broadcast planned www.bbc.co.uk/progra...

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  • Message 8. Posted by Andrew (U12804312) on Tuesday, 16th February 2010 permalink

    I can confirm (although I, like him, do not work for the BBC and what I say is merely from observation) that matt is exactly right with what he said in message 5. It is a long-standing bug that the expiry of the subtitles seems to be linked with the expiry of the SD version, even if the HD version expires later.

    Related to this is the fact that programmes that have only been recently repeated on BBC HD (and not on one of the SD channels as well) never, in my experience, have subtitles available. At the moment, this might not be obvious, as most of the recent repeats on BBC HD are marked as "Not available", with one exception (which doesn't have subtitles):

    www.bbc.co.uk/iplaye...

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  • Message 9. Posted by MCMLXXII (U13973625) on Wednesday, 17th February 2010 permalink

    This sounds to me like a simple programming fix that the BBC haven't got round to because disabled people are low priority!

    We have every right to watch TV programmes as much as anyone does.

    Also deaf people have paid the full licence for years ( unlike blind people who always pay half). I may start campaigning to pay half of the licence fee in light of this sporadic service we are getting at the moment

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  • Message 10. Posted by matt (U8621220) on Wednesday, 17th February 2010 permalink

    Although I understand why you are annoyed about it, this was series stacked so you did have a month to watch these while SD versions and subtitles were available.

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  • Message 11. Posted by MCMLXXII (U13973625) on Wednesday, 17th February 2010 permalink

    @matt If you read my previous messages carefully you will notice that i said I started watching this programme during the subtitling crisis. It was completely off the radar and I didnt expect to enjoy this programme as normally I hate anything to do with ships.

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