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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    just had my dads statement of service back and i dont understand some of the abbreviations. also he was a prisoner of war A/U/L?Cpl ? in italy
    it states egypt to 19/6/42 pow italy 20/6/42 escaped to switzerland dates unknown he serverd with the coldstream gaurds can any body give me any more information please

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    Posted by ex4thhussar (U520216) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    A/U/L?

    Probably Acting Unpaid Lance Corporal
    The lowest form of animal life in the Forces, I'm sorry to say, but we all had to start somewhere smiley - smiley

    Best wishes in your research

    Ron

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    Suep 1849 -
    the A/U/L cpl means only that your Father was an Acting - Unpaid Lance Corporal - the rest of his service will be on his service record and you should also contact the Guards web site for more information also the POW register

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    is that the coldstream gaurds website

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    do you know if the japanese had prisoner of war camps in italy

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Friday, 15th September 2006

    Suep 1849
    - I think we have been down this road before - the only Japanese fighting in Italy was the Nisei Division which came into the US 5th Army after Rome was liberated - they came along with the 10th US Mountain Division for the Battle of Florence, to offset the loss of four French and three US Divisions to the landing on the South of France.
    Consequently there were NO Japanese POW camps anywhere near Italy as the only Axis troops were the German and Italian - who gave up as the US 5th Army invaded at Salerno on Sept 9th 1943 - the British 8th Army had already invaded down at Reggio Calabria on sept 3rd - the anniversary of the start of the war in 1939, and not - as some would have it - dec 7th 1942 !

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Saturday, 16th September 2006

    on his milatary history sheet it says
    country service to count as from to
    british or indian

    egypt british 12/8/39 19/6/42
    p.o.w (italy) 20/6/42
    switzerland british
    en route uk british 24/10/44
    home 25/10/44

    the missing dates says dates not known. who would he have been a p.o.w to?

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Sunday, 17th September 2006

    when it says 3rd posted and dates does this mean 3rd army or not i am very confused trying to decipher what things mean

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Monday, 18th September 2006

    As your father went out to Egypt early on and was captured on the 19th June '42 - this was during the retreat to El Alamein - he would have been captured by eother the germans or Italins at that time and sent to a POW camp in Italy.
    You say he escaped and managed to get to Switzerland in August 1944 from there to Britain, which was after Paris had been liberated.
    The British did NOT have 3rd Army, what they did have was a 1st - 8th - 9th - 10th and 14th Armies.

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Monday, 18th September 2006

    is there anyway i can find out wich armies he did serve with. the war is something he would never talk to us about because of what he went through i suppose. but i would like to find out as much as i can to pass on to my grandchildren who are interested. i am very greatful for all your help

    many thanks sue xx

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    Posted by men_in_black (U5713804) on Monday, 18th September 2006

    You can check out details on all Prisoners of War (in Europe) on the books listed below (get them from the local library) * they will tell you what camp your dad was in and his POW number (different than his army number)
    The rank you quote is new on me A/U/L/Cpl the latter is L/Cpl. However the guards have different ranks than any other in the British Army unit. It depends what source you were given this rank from.
    I have over the last couple of years meet and got to know a number of POW’s. A story told to me (confirmed by others) when the Germans and Italians took them prisoners they were asked to give their trade before the War (while it is against the Geneva Convention to make them work to help the War Effort if they were found to be of use i.e. Miners etc. they were forced to work) so most give their occupation as undertakers… the Guards Division (presumably because of their height) give their occupation as Jockeys, if your father was an escapee it may be worthwhile to check out if he was given a Military Medal for bravery? Hope this helps

    * Prisoners of War British and Allies 1939-45 Hayward ISBN 0903754630 £28.
    ISBN 0903754614 £38.
    ISBN 0903754622

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 19th September 2006

    Dear Suep -
    owing to the two clues you came up with - I have managed to trace the history of your Fathers regiment - he was posted to the 3rd Battalion Coldstream Guards of the 22nd Guards Brigade.
    This was constituted from the 29th Mersa Matruh garrison in sept 1940 and were involved in a few battles of those days namely the Gazala "gallop' as it was known.They were a part of the original 8th Army (Desert Rats) of Gens. Wavell and Auchinlek. After they spent some time in the beleagured Tobruk garrison - the South African Maj. Gen Kloppers - surrendered all 33,000
    men including the 22nd Guards Brigade to Rommels Africa Korps on 19th June 1942 and thus was sent to Italy and their POW camps.
    Two good books on his battles can be found in your local library - or ordered from there -" the Crucible of War " by Barrie Pitt - Volumes 1 and 2. as well as the POW books of Italian camps.If you have "Google site search" - then type in 22nd Guards Bde for a full history
    The 22nd Brigade was reconstituted after El Alamein and was named the 201st Guards Bde and fought with distinction at Enfidaville with 56th London Division - Medjez el Bab to Tunis and Cap Bon with the joint 1st and 8th Army - then back to 56th Div for the Salerno landings in Italy - Minturno- Garigliano -Naples - back to Egypt for rest and reinforcemnt - back to Italy for the Gothic Line battles at Croce and Gemmano until final victory near Venice.
    That will just about sum it all up - hope it helps
    Cheers

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Wednesday, 20th September 2006

    thanks for all your hard work i really appreciate it

    sue xxx

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Wednesday, 20th September 2006

    Dear suep-
    I took the opportunity last night - most of the night - in re-reading some of the exploits of the 3rd Coldstreams - what a time they had - we who came after them had it much easier - they were involved early on when the Italians declared war and finally made their move towards Egypt in the December of '40 and the operation" compass" - from there they went on to Bardia in Jan '41 - then operation "Battleaxe" May '41 - "Crusader" Nov '41 - Antelat near to Beda Fomm where the Italian tenth Army had been wiped out by Gen O'Conner who was then captured by Rommels first " lightening reposte" of Dec '41 to Feb'42 and fighting all the way back to Tobruk for more siege fighting until June '42 when they had to surrender.
    A fascinating history against unbelieveable hardship - it's no wonder he didn't talk about it
    and you should be very proud that he took part in that struggle - also tell your granchildren to read all about the 22nd Guards Brigade and the others in that conflict in the desert of 1940 - 1943.The Infantry and the Tank men went through hell out there, that we could live in peace, which appears not to have lasted too long !

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Thursday, 21st September 2006

    many thanks for your hard work. have ordered the book from the library. i expect it will be heavy going. don't know what i would have done without your help.

    sue xx

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Friday, 22nd September 2006

    Suep -
    you are most welcome and it is always a joy to learn that one has been instrumental in helping others trace their relatives service in a just cause.
    The Crucible of war is of 481 pages - but don;t let that put you off and just take one chapter at a time and it all suddenly sinks in - on page 480 their is a reference to a most unfortunate accident which killed the recently appointed commander of 7th Armoured Divison - Maj.Gen. Jock Campbell whose courageous actions at Sidi Rezigh earned him the V.C.
    The driver of the staff car was a good friend of mine who died recently - Major Roy Farran,DSO - MC and bars who joined the SAS after recovering from the accident and had a most distinguished career, whose brother was killed on opening the first letter bomb sent to their home in Wolverhampton which also seriously injured their Mother.
    Volume two deals with the seige of Tobruk with the story of the surrender of June '42, which made your father a prisoner.
    Good luck with your reading.

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Friday, 22nd September 2006

    will let you know how i get on resding the book may even buy one to pass down.
    it has beeb sugested i read prioners of war british and allies 1939-45 but it costs £48 any ideas how i might get hold of a copy . my library does not have it.

    sue xx

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Friday, 22nd September 2006

    Sue P
    you could try "Naval and Military Press.com " as they can set you straight on all ww2 books

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Saturday, 23rd September 2006

    gosh what a mind of information you are. have you ever thought of writing everything you know down?

    thanks a lot
    sue xx

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Saturday, 23rd September 2006

    Suep

    Many thanks for the compliment - tried writing that once for the BBc series of WW2 so you can read all about it on the Archives which are still around - there were four of us - still good friends - Ron Goldstein who served with myself in North Africa and Italy/Austria - Peter Ghrininghelli who served after the war mainly in the Far East - and Frank Mee who also served after the war out in the Middle East and rose to become a Warrant Officer first class in the REME - some of the stories are fascinating and it was good fun in helping people to trace their relatives.

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    Posted by men_in_black (U5713804) on Tuesday, 3rd October 2006

    Sue the reference books I put on the notice board last week can be ordered from the British library via your own library it only costs 35 pence if you are on low earnings and 75 pence if you are not. I spoke to my local Liberian who informed me this connession is run by the local authority and varies for county to county. Some figures she quoted to me were £5 in London areas? Don’t expect your library to be very helpful [some are unaware they can order them] these books are for reference only and are used by collectors and historians to see what campaigns POW’s were taken in. (Some library Staff will insist you do not take the books from the library…. So what…. sit down and read in the library; the names are listed alphabetically you should find your Dad]. The only time I have seen a soldier listed without a POW Number or camp number, are those who were thought to be Commandos or SAS… as Hitler had ordered these men to be executed, not taken POW. If they were not given a POW number they were technically not POW’s.

    Failing that try to find a Militia Medal Fair in your area at least one of the stall holder will have access to the Books and will help you.

    The POW books are not heavy reading they are just lists of names... they have POW number; Army Number; Camp Number; and sometimes the fact that Prisoner Named ‘Whatever/whoever’ was awarded a Military Medal for escaping? It also gives the unit the POW was serving with and a Reference Number from Army Records [Regimental] who first posted him as missing or POW.

    Geography is not my strong subject so I have listed all the camps with camp number beside them they are all the camps (for Europe) [except special camps, I have listed a few] from my own research. Perhaps Trooper Canning can tell you which ones are in Italy?? The only one I am sure is 337 Mantua Italy (known as Dulag 339) where it was I am unsure.
    Hope it helps

    List of POW Camps (Europe)

    1A Stablack 1B & 4A Hohenstein
    2A Neu Brandenburg 2B Hammerstein
    2D Stargard 3A Luckenwalde
    3B Furstenberg (R. Order). 3C Alt. Drewitz Nr. Kustin
    3D Berlin-Steglitz 4B Műhlberg (Elbe).
    4C Wistritz bei Teplitz 4D Torgau (Elbe)
    4D/Z Annaburg 4E Altenburg (Thoringen).
    4F Hartmansdorf Chemnitz 4G Ochatz
    5A Ludwigsberg 5B Villingen Schwarzwald
    5C Offenburg bei Baden Baden. 6A Hemer bei Iserlohn
    6B Nieuweschans Emsland 6C Műnster
    6F Bocholt 6G Berg Neustadt Nr. Gummersbach
    6J Dorston Westphalia 7A Moosburg (Isar)
    7B Menimigen 8A Gorlitz
    8 Bteschen 8C Kunau Kz Sprottau/Sagan
    9A Zeigenhain 9B Wegscheide Weilberg bei Bad Orb.
    9C Muhlhausen 10B Sandbostel
    10C Neinburg a. d. Weser 11A Altengrabow
    11B Fallingbostel 12A Limburg s. d. Lahn
    12B Frankenthal Pealz 12C Weibetschein
    12D Waldbreitbach Nr. Neuwied 12F Freinsheim Nr Bad Duerkheim
    13A Sulzbach 13C Hammelburg am Main
    13D Nurnberg 17A Kaisersteinbruck bei Bruck (Leitha)
    17B Gneizendorf 17C Dollerschein
    18A Wolfsberg (Karnten) 18A/Z Spittal/Drau
    20A Thorn Podgorz 20B Marienburg
    21A Schildberg 21D Posen
    21E Wollstein#317 Markt Pongau (St. Johann) 319 Cholm
    337 Mantua Italy (known as Dulag 339) 344 Lamsdorf (mostly Dunkirk POW’s)
    357 Oerbke Nr Fallingbostel 383 Hohen Fels
    383/Z Steinberg E. of Regenberg 398 Pupping Nr. Ling

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 3rd October 2006

    Dear Bograt - that is vey good information for sue p when she gets around to reading it - ! unfortunately I don't have any information on POW camps as they were mainly in the very North of Italy as is Mantua - I never saw any as I lost a great deal of interest in the war during the Gothic line battle - however a very good friend of mine was in Italy at that time and he is very knowledgeable and so I shall ask him for more info
    another friend was involved in the dispersal of the Wolfsberg camp in Austria so stay tuned !
    Tom

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    Posted by Dirk Marinus (U1648073) on Tuesday, 3rd October 2006

    Trooper Tom Canning,



    If you or Sue P or any one interested clicks on:



    www.wartimememories....



    You will find an index of POW camps in different parts of Europe and also including camps outside Europe.

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 3rd October 2006

    Dirk -
    That is quite the list and I am sure that SUEP will have no trouble in traceing her Father's camp movements from his records.
    Many thanks for your website !
    Cheers
    Tom

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    Posted by PeterG (U521078) on Wednesday, 4th October 2006

    Dear Sue

    Tom Canning has drawn my attention to this thread. I see that you already have been given a list of the camps in Italy, there is also a similar list here tinyurl.com/okgyz... which will save you having to scroll down on the other site. All Italian camps have a number prefixed with the letters PG, an abbreviation for Prigioni di Guerra (which simply means Prisoner of War Camp). These PoW camps were spread throughout Italy, although concentrated mainly in the south. I remember one being quite close to a rail track in the Po Valley, close enough to distinguish faces and to see British PoWs waiving to Italian girls on the train I was on.

    The camps were guarded by the Italian regular army in some cases, but mainly by Carabinieri, the special arm of the army responsible for public order. None of these camps was guarded by Germans, all were under the jurisdiction of fascist Italy.

    On 25 July 1943 the Fascist Regime collapsed and on the morning of the 26th Mussolini, the Italian Fascist dictator, was arrested. The King, Emmanuele III, appointed General Badoglio in his stead and on 8 September Italy surrendered unconditionally to the Allies.

    On that day German troops began to take over in force. Many Italian soldiers who had reluctantly fought for Fascist Italy deserted, particularly when it became evident over the next few days that they were being arrested 'en masse' by the Germans. Most camp guards simply left advising all PoWs to do the same. In those camps where Italian guards had remained to hand over to the Germans, both guards and inmates found themselves put on trains for Germany.

    Vast numbers of Allied PoWs, particularly those who remained in the vicinity of the camps, were quickly rounded up and sent to the Reich. But many others joined or were helped by the rapidly forming Partisan bands. You will find a good account of these events here tinyurl.com/h6ebv... by Gnr George Evans.

    Since you know that your father was in an Italian PoW camp in Italy and you also know that he escaped to Switzerland in August 1944, it follows almost certainly that he was on the run in Italy from September 1943 to August 1944, practically a whole year of the most momentous period in Italy during WW2. He would have been up in the mountains for most of that time with other Allied ex-PoWs, and he would have passed along the mountain trail close to the Swiss border which I then knew so well.

    Peter 2ndww.blogspot.com/... (do visit us, you will be most welcome).



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    Posted by men_in_black (U5713804) on Wednesday, 4th October 2006

    Sue / Tom thanks for the comment, the latest website the other lad give is a goldmine for camps and camp numbers, but Sue you will still need to get her fathers POW number to get any further. everytime I have be able to get to the notice board the server has been down and I don’t get much time at the notice board opening times. My day is the twilight hours, I think the notice board should stay open all the time for people like myself.
    Tom can I ask in previously you said to Sue “The driver of the staff car was a good friend of mine who died recently - Major Roy Farran, DSO - MC and bars”
    Jock Campbell VC was killed near Bug-Bug after his car skidded on the soft blue clay from the saltmarsh… Roy Farran was the driver and walked way from that accident… was he a friend of yours? Were you involved in “Tombola” if you were its not a bit of wonder you know so much….
    I was not aware of Roy Farrans death… if it is him or if your friend was Roy Farran’s driver and from the same outfit can you pass on the details to the email address below

    www.alliedspecialforces.org
    [Personal details removed by Moderator]

    The lads will be pleased to hear from you (not about Roy’s death) but they will be glad to hear from you:- you can also post a poppy on www.britains-smallwa... or britains-smallwars.c...

    The latter website will keep both of you going for days, Page 2 has Johnny Watts M.C. on it…. but it’s a different generation but they say old soldiers never die… hope this helps and you can also get something to keep you going….
    Keep your heads down… good reading
    Bograt

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Wednesday, 4th October 2006

    Bograt -
    will certainly contact you - somehow as the moderator has removed your e-mail details - no arguement there as there are some very odd people around these days who tend to do even odder things - just for laughs, they are very strange !

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    Posted by suep1849 (U4292610) on Sunday, 18th March 2007

    many thanks for your message.i know it was a while ago had computor problems suep

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    Posted by Stan Still (U3846393) on Monday, 19th March 2007

    In reply to Message 9 from Trooper Tom Canning

    You state that the British had the 1st-8th-9th-10th and 14th Armies. They also had a Second Army....my father was in it!

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 20th March 2007

    Tommy Thunderball -
    of course you are quite correct - there was a British 2nd Army - but then we were discussing the period in 1942 when SUEP's Father was imprisioned after being captured along with his whole 22nd Guards Bde at Tobruk in June 19/20 l942, at the onset of the "Gazala Gallop"
    At that time there was NO 2nd Army, there was however a force know as Home Forces under Gen. Paget which supplied the 1st corps of the future 2nd Army when Gen. Anderson returned from leading the 1st Army in North Africa and his army was merged with 8th Army for the Sicily campaign - at about that same time the XXX corps of 8th Army went home to land alongside 1st Corps on D day under Gen Dempsey of 8th Army's X111 corps, who had returned from Sicily to take on 2nd Army, along with 8th Armoured Bde which was the main Tank force of 11th armoured Division.Not only did we lose many fighting men to 2nd Army as we later lost 1st Division and also 1st Canadian and 5th Canadin Armoured Div but most of the Corps and DIV commanders came from 8th army starting with Monty - Dempsey _ Crocker - O'Conner - Ritchie - Roberts - Rennie - Erskine - Horrocks and a few more !
    Yes Tommy - I knew about the 2nd army as when I was in the mountains of Italy - after Rome was liberated - I learned that my cousin had been killed at Raurey fighting the 12th SS Panzer Division with a rifle and bayonet in the 11th battalion D.L.I.
    Cheers

    Actually the 2nd Army looked alot like the 8th Army's reserve team

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    Posted by LongWeekend (U3023428) on Tuesday, 20th March 2007

    Tom and Men-in-Black

    Impressive posts, but two small points:

    - 201 Guards Brigade went back to UK in mid-44. It was used to provide reinforcements to the Gds Armd Div.

    - It was not illegal under the Geneva Convention to use prisoners of war for labour. We used our German and Italian POWS in the same way.

    It was only illegal to use them for combattant duties or in direct support of a war effort (i.e. munitions). It was also the responsibility of the power holding them prisoner to pay them. Officrs, on the other hand, were not required to work.

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 20th March 2007

    Lost week-end
    I was aware that when the 22nd Guards bde went into the bag at Tobruk in June '42 they were re constituted as 201st Guards bde and fought all through Tunisia and in the final Battle when they joined with 1st Army at Medjez el Bab with 4th Indian - 4th British - 6th and 7th Armoured Divs - 21st and 25th Tank bdes. - and much of Italy until they disappeared to reinforce 2nd Army later in '44.
    Have no knowledge of POW activities

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Tuesday, 20th March 2007

    Bograt -
    Many aplogies for not getting back to you directly with reference to the death of Major Roy Farran - I tried to contact the other sites to no avail and time just went by - as it does.
    I did not know Roy when we were both in the army - I met him in Calgary, Alberta when he was a councillor for the City - he then became a member of the Provincial Parliment.
    We met often as I had been living in Birmingham when the infamous first letter bomb was deliverd to his home in Wolverhamton which killed his brother Ken and severely injured his Mother.
    He was, as can be expected - well thought of in the area as publisher of a local small newpaper, who stated his mind freely to the discomfiture of many lesser people !
    He died at home, June 2006 with his family around him and was buried at Calgary after a service at his usual Catholic Church.
    He was a great man and we shall not see the likes of him again, we often spoke of his accident which killed Jock Campbell V.C. and of his remorse which - I think - made him join David Stirling's SAS as he could not face his Regiment with that stigma. His career is well documented in the History Books.

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    Posted by Tuttlebee (U7968741) on Thursday, 5th April 2007

    Hello everyone,
    Have only just found this site. I hope you don't mind me leaving a post here - but I'm hoping you will be able to help me after reading some of your posts.
    I'm trying to find my father's army WW2 records. I'm afraid I don't know what Regiment he belonged to but I am sure he served in North Africa, Sicily, Italy and I remember him talking once about Germany at the end of the war - possibly a POW/concentration camp. My father didn't talk about the war much and I think he was quite traumatised by his experiences. I'm trying to put together our family history for my children - his grandchildren who, sadly he never knew.
    Hope you can help. Kind regards.

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    Posted by Trooper Tom Canning - WW2 Site Helper (U519668) on Friday, 6th April 2007

    Tuttlebee -
    the only way anyone can help is from clues offered by yourself - such as his name - possible army number - and regiment as these are the basics and without that knowledge, no one can help - so dig around in the old boxes to find those items - then we can get somewhere !
    Good luck

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    Posted by Tuttlebee (U7968741) on Saturday, 7th April 2007

    Thank you for your reply. I'm afraid I have nothing of my father's - all I have is his name - Ronald Watkins and his date of birth. Do you think I will be able to find his army service records with only that information? He was born in 1914 in South Wales but was living in Tottenham during the war years. He died in 1983. Although he didn't talk much of the war I remember him talking about North Africa, Italy, Sicily and Germany. He married a German woman at the end of the war.

    It would mean so much to my sister and I if we could find his records.
    Kind regards

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    Posted by boabbie (U6156662) on Tuesday, 14th August 2007

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