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Message 1 - posted by shivfan
(U2435266)
, Jun 24, 2009
Hi, I've been a regular on the history messageboard, but I'm a real novice when it comes to researching my family tree.... My daughter asked me to find out more about our family history. And I don't know where to start!  My grandfather's name was Charles St John, and he lived from 1899-1976. He lived most of his life in Paddington, and was a member of the Home Guard during WWII. He started life as a chauffer, and ended it as a shopkeeper. I'd really appreciate it, guys, if you could give me pointers as to where to start.... |
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Message 2 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
First I check the death index in ancestry this gives Charles Edgar B St John date of birth (dob) 19th July 1899 death March quarter 1976, district Westminster, vol 15, page 2571 From this can check birth (6 weeks to register) Births Sep 1899 St John Charles Edgar B District Croydon, vol 2a page 276 Certificates - order from the General Register Office (GRO), cost £7, take about a week. www.gro.gov.uk/gro/c...Register page 1, fill in and answer YES you have General Register Office Index (the name, year, quarter, district, vol, page) page 2, delivery details page 2, fill in the **RED STARRED** bits only I will have a look for him in the 1901 census. This looks like him 1901 England Census about Charles E B St John Name: Charles E B St John Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900 Relation: Son Father's Name: Hardd E Mother's Name: Rosa M Where born: Anerley, Surrey, England Town: Penge County/Island: Surrey Registration district: Croydon address: 4 Lime Tree Avenue, Penge Hardd E St John 28 assistant reader for press b Kentish Town (name looks like Harold) Rosa M St John 25 b Kentish Town Hardd E P St John 7 b Somerstown Ethel R A St John 5 b Hamstead Hugh C C St John 3 Somerstown Charles E B St John 1 b Anerley <<<<<< Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 652; Folio: 42; Page: 21. This is a reply to this message
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Message 3 - posted by Bashfuljan157
(U5893214)
, Jun 24, 2009
Hi , and welcome to the board , Since you are new to tis board you'll be in 'moderation for the first 20 posts , (BBC rules) but you may know that from the History message board , There is a thread called the Fernleaf , where you can post 'off topic' things and that'll get you through moderation quickly I found this birth ref from Free BMD www.freebmd.org.uk/c... which is probably your grandfather , on this you'll get your grandmothers maiden name , though you may know those details, . Births Sep 1899 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- St John Charles Edgar B Croydon 2a 276 This is a reply to this message
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Message 4 - posted by Bashfuljan157
(U5893214)
, Jun 24, 2009
This looks like Harold 's marriage , though a bride is missing
Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
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BROCKHOUSE Alice Phoebe Pancras 1b 275
Pez Henri Frederic Pancras 1b 275
Pez Henri Frideric Pancras 1b 275
St John Harold Edgar Pancras 1b 275<<<<<<
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Message 5 - posted by Bashfuljan157
(U5893214)
, Jun 24, 2009
Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
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St John Harold Edgar Holborn 1b 585
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Message 6 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
www.ancestry.co.uk/www.findmypast.com/h...both the above used for censuses and BMDs (births, marriages, deaths)- usually subscribe to one or the other www.freebmd.org.uk/www.genesreunited.co...{be careful about putting your tree on here, and letting people see it, show them a part, but it can be very good for contacts} www.familysearch.org...family tree programme to enter information. The free'companion' will print 3 generation trees and is only a couple of ££s to purchase the full version. I find it handy to print tree with what I've got and then while I am searching use it to make notes. (If you press 'ctrl' on your keyboard and then these links, they should open in a different window)
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Message 7 - posted by Bashfuljan157
(U5893214)
, Jun 24, 2009
I think this is Harold St Johns bride, Rosa M (as on 1901 census)
John William Hyde 1892 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
View Record
Rosa Maria Pengelly 1892 Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex <<<<<<<<<<<<
View Record
Rosa Agnes Wints 1892 Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex
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Message 8 - posted by N E Juan™
(U2133447)
, Jun 24, 2009
I think this is Harold St Johns bride, Rosa M (as on 1901 census)
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if not this would be a good second Jenkins Rose Mary Pancras 1b 2_5
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Message 9 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Looks very likely N E Juan
1891 England Census
about Rose M Jenkins
Name: Rose M Jenkins
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Jame L
Where born: Kentish Town, London, England
Town: London
County/Island: London
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
Alfred Jenkins 44 b St James (what is his occupation? can't make out)
Jame L Jenkins 41 b Brentwood
Ada C Jenkins 18
Rose M Jenkins 16
Edith J Jenkins 12
Annie M Jenkins 10
Elenor F Jenkins 5
May G Jenkins 11/12
children all b Kentish Town
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 136; Folio 82; Page 71
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Message 10 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Looks like Alfred's first wife may have died
1881 England Census
Name: Ada Jenkins
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Louisa
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 3 Dickenson St
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Kentish Town
Alfred Jenkins 34 music master (he's a musician)
Louisa Jenkins 31
Alfred Jenkins 10
Ada Jenkins 8
Rosa Jenkins 6 <<<<<
Elizabeth Jenkins 4
Edith Jenkins 1
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 213; Folio: 78; Page: 46;
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Message 11 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Or maybe not a second marriage, Jane Louisa is using both names perhaps, Louisa and Jane L
Marriages Sep 1868
Adams Jane Louisa Bethnal Green 1c 597<<<<<<<<<
Jenkins Alfred Bethnal Green 1c 597<<<<<<<<<<
Porcas Elizabeth Bethnal Green 1c 597
Walsby Peter Bethnal Green 1c 597
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Message 12 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
One birth for Harold E St John between 1870-1874 from freebmd
Births Jun 1870
St John Harold Edgar Holborn 1b 585
1871 England Census
Name: Harold E St John
Age: 11 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Eliza C
Where born: London, Essex, England
County/Island: London
Registration district: Holborn
Eliza C St John 36 no occupation b
Jane J H St John 13 b Kentish Town (age is in male column)
Viola C St John 11 b Pimlico
Ethel E St John 9 b Pimlico
Henry B St John 5 b Forest Gate Essex
Edwin C St John 2 b London
Harold E St John 11 months b London
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 369; Folio: 84; Page: 59;
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Message 13 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Ten years earlier
1861 England Census
Name: Eliza St John
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Where born: St Giles's, Middlesex, England
County/Island: Middlesex
Registration district: Pancras
Eliza St John 26 dress maker b St Giles
Vane St John 3 b St Pancras
Violet St John 1 b St Pancras
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 97; Folio: 155; Page: 48;
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Message 14 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Possible marriage
Marriages Jun 1857
De Knight Elizabeth St Martin 1a 610<<<<<<<<<<
Middleton Eliza Catherine St Martin in the F 1a 610
St John Vane Ireton Shaftsbury St.Martins in the F 1a 610<<<<<<<<<<
Wray Thomas St Martin in the F 1a 610
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Message 15 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Well if this is your ancestor, look here, very interesting bearalley.blogspot.c...This is a reply to this message
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Message 16 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
Correction to messge 14 It was Eliza Middleton Message 14 - posted by silvery Possible marriage Marriages Jun 1857 De Knight Elizabeth St Martin 1a 610 Middleton Eliza Catherine St Martin in the F 1a 610<<<<<<< St John Vane Ireton Shaftsbury St.Martins in the F 1a 610<<<<<<<<<< Wray Thomas St Martin in the F 1a 610 and another website middleton-stjohns.co...This is a reply to this message
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Message 17 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
a snippet from the middleton website middleton-stjohns.co...This is a reply to this message
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Message 18 - posted by silvery
(U8422462)
, Jun 24, 2009
And another, of your own grandfather. They have no information on him. middleton-stjohns.co...This is a reply to this message
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Message 19 - posted by shivfan
(U2435266)
, Jun 24, 2009
This is great, guys, thanks a million....  Fortunately, because I post in the other three History MBs, I'm not in pre-mod. That reference to a Jenkins sounds about right. My mum told me of a Jenkins link to the family, and that it probably came from Wales.... But just to make sure it's the right Charles St John. Is there a marriage registered for him, and if, so where would I find it? His wife - my grandmother - was Lucie (nee Kuenzi), if my spelling is correct. This is a reply to this message
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Message 20 - posted by shivfan
(U2435266)
, Jun 24, 2009
Sorry, please ignore the above post....  I can see from subsequent posts, that my questions have been answered. Once again, thanks.... It's time to dig! This is a reply to this message
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