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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Sunday, 30th September 2012

    what are your thoughts on the anti-islam film and freedom of speech
    as a muslim i think this is disrespect and wrong
    what do you think?


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    Posted by Han Ban (U14706661) on Tuesday, 2nd October 2012

    I do agree with you to the extent that it is a disrespectful and foolish film. However, I think it is very clear, even to most non-muslims, that the film is based on a huge amount of lies, created to discredit Islam. Which is why I believe the reaction to the film is madness; if you know something is not true then the best thing to do is walk away with your head held high, knowing you're in the right and it's just made those other people look like idiots, you instantly become the better person for it. A discrimitary film is not an excuse to burn down several buildings and kill four people who had nothing to do with the film, other than being American.

    Freedom of speech is vital to the wellbeing of everyone in every country, take away that and you take away the very principle of being human. Even if that means the human is a vile being, we just have to remember there are other humans who are decent and loving beings. Being religious myself, I know that having very personal beliefs means you are going to be questioned and criticised (especially if you push those beliefs on others). But this has to be seen as a positive thing, because often you can correct misguided beliefs or at least provide information (even if the other person still doesn't believe what you do).

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Thursday, 4th October 2012


    I see where your coming from but if someone said something about your mother or father what would you do 'walk away with your head held high'???
    i don't think so!!
    and this isnt just anything they are talking about this isnt like they're saying 'oh your shoes are stupid' NO. they are insulting the greatest man that ever lived!
    freedom of speech- well that's just an excuse there’s no such thing ;
    you cant be racist, isnt that against freedom of speech (not that I agree with being racist or anything like that just for my point)
    To some extent of cause I agree with freedom of speech I agree there’s freedom of speech (to some extent ) but there's no freedom of hatred !!!!!!
    What do you mean by ‘especially if you push those beliefs on others’????
    When that dude made the film he can’t escape it he knew what he was doing when he made it !!!
    He disrespected the man that cried every night for the sake of humanity !!!!
    Someone said to me why do Muslims get so easily offended and I don’t get his logic
    I mean this film is disrespectful to the man that is closer to us than our own selves CLOSER TO US THAN OUR OWNSELVES a man that we love more than we love our parents a man that we love more than ourselves and you think that we wont get offended

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    Posted by Han Ban (U14706661) on Friday, 5th October 2012

    If someone did say something insulting about my mother and father, it is still unadvisable and foolish to get angry about that. If someone can see they've provoked you they've done they're job and they'll get a greater satisfaction from seeing your hurt, than if you just calmly tell them what they've said is untrue and just walk away. There's no satisfaction. Humans almost have a peverse enjoyment in other people's pain, that's why for many slapstick is so funny.

    I realise that, however, that's no excuse for killing other poeple.

    You do have a point, but you need to balance freedom of speech with respect to others, obviously not everyone's going to do that because we have some very stupid people. But more often than not racists back up their statements with absurd claims, so if you can point out flaws in their arguments they may start to question their own beliefs.

    What do you mean by ‘especially if you push those beliefs on others’????
    Well that's what religions tend to do. If everyone's saying 'No, my religion is the right one' then you're still pushing your beliefs on others. You're saying they're wrong, even though they may be perfectly lovely and sensible people, but because they don't believe in what you believe they are still somehow 'wrong'. Not saying you do that, but people do go around trying to convert others to the 'right' religion.

    And I agree with you, but by showing your hurt and your pain, that guy has done what he wanted to do. He wasn't an idiot, he wanted people to get angry and he knew by insulting the very pinnacle of their faith they would. And from where outsiders are sitting, yes it is cruel and unnecessary and disgusting, but having that reaction is not acceptable. And when you think about it, people are going to be less sympathetic towards Muslims, if a group decide that 'justice' includes burning down several embassies (two of which had nothing to do with the film in question) and murdering four people just because of their nationality.

    I'm not questioning the offensiveness - I am a woman and a Pagan, forgive me but I know what it is to be offended and not really have the ability to do anything about it - I'm questioning the reaction. As much as I would love to scream and shout at someone for saying something offensive towards my faith, it's not going to help the matter, they'll just think I'm crazy and maybe they were right in thinking I'm a nutty hippie! Even if people are saying really nasty things about my faith, I can't go to anyone about it, no one would take it seriously. It is wonderful to see people have a real devotion to a faith, but I cannot equate a disgusting, lying film with the murder of four innocent people, that just doesn't add up.

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Friday, 5th October 2012

    I'm not justifying killing innocent people
    but its funny how when Muslims rebel against what is said to or done it is 'wrong' but when non-Muslims rebel against something it is totally fine !
    Again i'm not justifying the killings i'm saying that do you blame us for being angry !!!
    and why can't we be angry wheres freedom of speech to for us!!!! according to 'freedom of speech' we can do protests, riots we can do what we want! (according to 'freedom of speech'!!!!
    American drones kill entire families (innocent families) in Pakistan and Afghanistan why isn't that classed as 'wrong'!!!!
    so y when Muslims kill four people is it wrong?? if when american drones kill people it isn't 'wrong'???

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    Posted by Han Ban (U14706661) on Friday, 5th October 2012

    I think many of the public would agree with you, that's it's unfair for Muslims to have one standard and America to have another.I'm not saying it's wrong for people to rebel against something, especially when it is wrong or offensive, but it is petty to be angry against a blatant piece of propaganda and lies. And especially when many people would more than happily side with you.

    How does murdering someone give you freedom of speech? No one was denying your right to freedom of speech. There was no one stopping you complaining about the film or even having demostrations against it. There is nothing remotely wrong with peaceful protests, you can still feel passionate and angry about a cause, but you don't need to resort to violence. Hell, I'm angry about the fact the public when so loudly voicing an opinion against war, our government still decides to go to war and I'm angry that Muslim civilians who live peacefully and work hard in our country are regarded as dangerous and suspicious. But look at the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s, those people had full rights to be angry (having endured hundreds of years of murder, discrimination, racism, poverty, etc), but they chose a road of peace and respect, showing their political power, strength, unity and welcoming nature towards their enemies.

    Many people are very critical of the creulty of the Americans, I never said they were right. I, like many others, have always been against the wars in the Middle East. But it's not the number I'm concerned about, it's whether that reaction to a film is what you'd consider 'right' or 'normal'.

    Plus if you're going to reduce freedom of speech down to such simplisitic arguments, like 'we can do what we like' then you're not including other rights like the 'Right to Life', 'Freedom from Slavery', 'Freedom from Torture', 'Right to a fair trial' and 'Freedom of thought, conscience and religion' - while I'm not saying that everyone has a perfect human rights record (certainly not America), what I am saying is that if you're going to use that argument in some way you're probably going to break the other human rights. This isn't about 'Freedom of Speech' it's about respect and dignity. Freedom of speech is not about 'doing what you like', it's about everyone getting their side of the argument across and gaining greater insight into people's minds about their thoughts and feelings. And yes, you're not always going to like what you hear, but it is better to consider their side of the argument than put your fingers in your ears and shout 'La la la la, I'm not listening!'

    While America has done some awful things during this war, this is not about that war, this is about a group's reaction to a film. If you can't stand the idea that someone is going to create an awful film, based on nothing but lies, then how are we meant to have a constructive debate with you about parts of your faith that are true? I'm not criticising you for your anger, everyone has full right to be angry, but to us it just appears that we can't say anything against your faith, and I'm not talking about the mindless arguments some people use, but well constructed points of view. I'm not attacking you for your faith, I'm attacking humans for their mindless intolerance (on all sides).

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Saturday, 6th October 2012

    You know what anybody that talks about the film never just says 'oh its disrespectful to Muslims it soo bad' they always add 'but you should't have killed four people'
    there are limits to freedom of speech and this film has nothing to do with freedom of speech
    it was deliberatly made(i agree with u) to insult Muslims i actually think that the reaction to this film is 'right' and it is 'normal' to some extent
    we muslims have been used as punch bags for too long
    if u said the things in that film to a random dude on the street u'd get arrested
    so y is it sooo bad when we muslims are angered by this
    first the cartoon then the film what do u expect us to do leave it and walk by ???
    do u think if we did that everyone would just stop?? no. they wouldnt it would give them an even more reason to pick on islam we'd be an easy target (easier then we r at the moment )
    u know if this was the other way round and it was some muslim who made a film or drew a cartoon about someone else's religion and then those followers killed people you know who would like the bad guys? MUSLIMS.
    this is how the media works
    in my opinion actually i say the film had nothing to do with religion it was political!!!
    but y we react is because he is the greatest man that ever lived !!!!
    he the greatest influential man ever were not gonna stand bk and take it
    because when u insult our prophet muhammed (peace be upon him)
    u insult the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world
    at least 60 Muslims countries if we wanted to we could make 1000s of films but y we don't because we have respect !
    Plus if you're going to reduce freedom of speech down to such simplisitic arguments, like 'we can do what we like' then you're not including other rights like the 'Right to Life', 'Freedom from Slavery', 'Freedom from Torture', 'Right to a fair trial' and 'Freedom of thought, conscience and religion' -
    u took my point too literally i meant that if they can do what ever they like (ie make a film that has nothing to do with freedom of speech) then y cant we do what we like if they can !!
    we not shouting la la la im not listening and we muslims can take critism we dont want to take abuse though
    like i said b4 theres freedom of speech but theres no freedom of hatred !!!!!
    debate with you about parts of your faith that are true? dont get ur point i beleive all islam is true
    please expand on this point !smiley - smiley

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Saturday, 6th October 2012

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    Posted by U15492444 (U15492444) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I believe that everybody has the right to do whatever they like because otherwise we would not have free will!
    However as a Christian I do feel that these kinds of films are very disrespectful and especially so since it as an anti-religious film which is obviously going to evoke widespread controversy.

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    what are your thoughts on the anti-islam film and freedom of speech
    as a muslim i think this is disrespect and wrong
    what do you think?


     
    yes,u r right i'm muslim and i hate that peoples who make a stupid film without any issue without any make sence, they even don't know my religion,then why they makr a silly film.we believe in GOD called ''' ALLAH''' and i believe in ALLAH.

    from fatimasmiley - hug



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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Thursday, 8th November 2012

    Exactly sister!
    if someone drew a Nazi symbol it would be Anti-semetic
    But when someone draws a cartoon or makes a film that mocks islam its 'freedom of expression'

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Thursday, 8th November 2012

    Exactly sister!
    if someone drew a Nazi symbol it would be Anti-semetic
    But when someone draws a cartoon or makes a film that mocks islam its 'freedom of expression'

     
    did u agree with be
    from fatimasmiley - hug
    r u muslim

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Friday, 9th November 2012

    ya,
    i'm arab-muslim
    and yeah i agreed with u sister
    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by U15492444 (U15492444) on Friday, 9th November 2012

    These films have indeed been very offensive to your faith, and I implore all people of your faith to show restraint & forgiveness as you yourself have done smiley - smiley

    God is telling me that such people who produce these films have not been brought to the light, so I pray that they will hear the calling of Christ and accept his word.


    Regards, Michael.

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Friday, 9th November 2012

    ya,
    i'm arab-muslim
    and yeah i agreed with u sister
    smiley - smiley
     
    ohhh really. that's why u call me sister smiley - smiley i haven't got any sister. thats so kind now u r my sister, whats your name?
    from fatimasmiley - hug

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    I'm a guy
    so brother
    and my name is Isam

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    I'm a guy
    so brother
    and my name is Isam
     
    r u really.i thought u r girl. i'm sorry
    from fatimasmiley - smiley

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Its cool
    smiley - smiley
    its kinda hard to tell on these things anyway
    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Its cool
    smiley - smiley
    its kinda hard to tell on these things anyway
    smiley - smiley
     
    hahahaha smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin,what type of language u can speak.
    from fatima smiley - cool

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Saturday, 10th November 2012

    Its cool
    smiley - smiley
    its kinda hard to tell on these things anyway
    smiley - smiley
     
    hahahaha smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin,what type of language u can speak.
    from fatima smiley - cool 
    my first language is arabic
    i can speak french and english fluently .. well actually i undersand french but i dont always reply properly ... i havee family that speak french so i kinda know it smiley - smiley ish !!!

    and i'm learning to speak farsi and punjabi they're pretty similar so i keep getting confused but inshallah i will master them ... one day!!!!

    how about u??
    english ur first language ??

    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    Its cool
    smiley - smiley
    its kinda hard to tell on these things anyway
    smiley - smiley
     
    hahahaha smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin smiley - biggrin,what type of language u can speak.
    from fatima smiley - cool 
    my first language is arabic
    i can speak french and english fluently .. well actually i undersand french but i dont always reply properly ... i havee family that speak french so i kinda know it smiley - smiley ish !!!

    and i'm learning to speak farsi and punjabi they're pretty similar so i keep getting confused but inshallah i will master them ... one day!!!!

    how about u??
    english ur first language ??

    smiley - smiley
     
    no actually my first language urdu,i can speak punjabi a little bit, baislly urdu and punjabi is similer language. i can speak arabic,the HOLY QURAN is in arabic
    from fatimasmiley - hug
    tell me more about u

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Sunday, 11th November 2012

    are u from pakistan?
    u know arabic ?
    quranic arabic is a bit different to what we speak nowadays
    but yeah it's similar just some words we don't use
    smiley - smiley

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Monday, 12th November 2012

    are u from pakistan?
    u know arabic ?
    quranic arabic is a bit different to what we speak nowadays
    but yeah it's similar just some words we don't use
    smiley - smiley
     
    yeah i'm from pakistan, how do u know smiley - smiley smiley - smiley smiley - smiley QURAN is in only one language is arabic so i can speak arabic,in now days i normaly speak urdu. thats my language and second is english,i learn french and jerman in school,to be honest i never get french and german thats well hard language.i think so,
    from fatima smiley - hug

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Tuesday, 13th November 2012

    are u from pakistan?
    u know arabic ?
    quranic arabic is a bit different to what we speak nowadays
    but yeah it's similar just some words we don't use
    smiley - smiley
     
    ASLAM-O-ALIKUM smiley - smiley
    tell me more about u
    from fatimasmiley - magic

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Sunday, 9th December 2012

    You speak Arabic which dialect?

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    Posted by Fauzia (U15529174) on Sunday, 9th December 2012

    As a Muslim I think honestly that the movie is an outrageous and disgust film towards the holy prophet Muhammed (Peace Be Upon Him), yet again these kind of foolish acts have been carrying on since Islam came to existance and will do so because some people have negative views on Islam and hurt Muslims as they think we are different people to them... but in fact we are the same humans with different religion that's all.

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Sunday, 9th December 2012

    You speak Arabic which dialect?

     
    whattt? can u speak urdu?
    from fatimasmiley - smiley

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Monday, 10th December 2012

    You speak Arabic which dialect?

     
    whattt? can u speak urdu?
    from fatimasmiley - smiley 
    nope i'm Arab !!
    u said u can speak Arabic so what dialect?

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    Posted by Fauzia (U15529174) on Monday, 10th December 2012

    You speak Arabic which dialect?

     
    whattt? can u speak urdu?
    from fatimasmiley - smiley 
    nope i'm Arab !!
    u said u can speak Arabic so what dialect?

     
    What are you and fatima talking about?...... Confused.com smiley - yikes. Sorry don't mean to be bad.

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Wednesday, 12th December 2012

    I actually don’t know anymore! smiley - winkeye

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Thursday, 13th December 2012

    You speak Arabic which dialect?

     
    whattt? can u speak urdu?
    from fatimasmiley - smiley 
    nope i'm Arab !!
    u said u can speak Arabic so what dialect?

     
    What are you and fatima talking about?...... Confused.com smiley - yikes. Sorry don't mean to be bad.  
    i cant speak arabic i can only read arabic like Quran and pray a prayer five time in a day thats it.my first language is urdu and 2nd language is english.
    from fatimasmiley - hug

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Friday, 14th December 2012

    oh so you dont know arabic

    oh but you must study it right??

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    Posted by U15471236 (U15471236) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Salaams Br,
    I know this is a bit random but are you a fan of Dr. Zakir Naik??

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    oh so you dont know arabic

    oh but you must study it right??

     
    nooooooooooo i can read arabic but can speak by my own.....
    fatimasmiley - rose

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    Posted by U15371933 (U15371933) on Wednesday, 19th December 2012

    Salaams Br,
    I know this is a bit random but are you a fan of Dr. Zakir Naik??  
    nope neva heard of him !
    why??

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    Posted by pinky (U15214729) on Wednesday, 19th December 2012

    Salaams Br,
    I know this is a bit random but are you a fan of Dr. Zakir Naik??  
    nope neva heard of him !
    why??
     
    aslam-o-alikum
    didn't get you are you talking with meeeeeeee.
    from fatimasmiley - rose

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