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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by BBCGardening (U15166886) on Thursday, 12th April 2012

    Many of the BBC's factual websites will be changing over the next twelve months. These changes will make our content easier to access and better in quality, but they will also mean we do less of some things - including messageboards.

    The BBC Gardening messageboard will shortly be closing. The board's contents will not be deleted; all of your discussions, debates and information will remain on the site for your and others' reference. Closure will take place at 11am on Thursday 26 April 2012.

    Thank you for being part of this online community and for your contributions to some great conversations.

    You can find out more about the changes underway to the BBC website at the following locations:

    www.bbc.co.uk/presso...

    www.bbc.co.uk/bbctru...

    Best wishes,

    Matt Walker
    Managing Editor, BBC Gardening

  • Message 2

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by David K (U14115317) on Thursday, 12th April 2012

    Well, Amen to that....can't say I’ll miss them much!

    They've been but a shadow of their former selves for a very long time now, due in no small part by the actions of the administrators.
    Why not do a proper job and pull the plug on Gardeners' World too?

    Someone has to pay for the move to Salford!

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  • Message 3

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by Houdy222 (U8365378) on Thursday, 12th April 2012

    Well I'm not surprised. It is more than likely that the BBC are well and truly fed up of the constant whingeing and whineing from a small band of posters that pop up every week with a gripe about something or other. (you all know who you are) It's a shame that a lot of people come on here to learn about their hobby and have to wade through a diatribe of personal abuse against some presenters such as recent comments about Monty's hair colour and whether he uses colourant.

    What on earth has that to do about the content of of a gardening programme ???

    As i've said a few times on this board before, if you don't like the programme, don't watch it !!

    I will miss this board for the invaluable advice that has been given to me by a lot of honest posters who are keen to pass on their knowledge, thank you one and all. What I won't miss is the weeky moanings.

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  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by lovespumpkins (U14259050) on Thursday, 12th April 2012

    I must admit, I never have bothered with the TV and Radio part of the messageboards.

    The few posts I did read, were, well, bordering on the line of hate and pettiness, which IMO were rather silly giving thats its only a PROGAMME for goodness sake.

    Anyway....bye bye

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Peta (U24) on Friday, 13th April 2012


    If you'd like to discuss BBC TV Gardening programmes you'd be most welcome to come and put down roots on the BBC Points of View TV programme discussion board.

    Here's a link www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    I'm the host there - I hope to see some of you over there at some point - you're very welcome to share your views about programmes like Gardener's World and BBC coverage of the Chelsea Flower Show on the board with us. smiley - ok



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  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by Houdy222 (U8365378) on Friday, 13th April 2012

    Is there any point or are you going to close down that board as well ???

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 5.

    Posted by Houdy222 (U8365378) on Friday, 13th April 2012


    If you'd like to discuss BBC TV Gardening programmes you'd be most welcome to come and put down roots on the BBC Points of View TV programme discussion board.

    Here's a link www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    I'm the host there - I hope to see some of you over there at some point - you're very welcome to share your views about programmes like Gardener's World and BBC coverage of the Chelsea Flower Show on the board with us. smiley - ok



     
    I think that you are missing the point here. This gardening message board is not just about commenting on gardening programmes on the BBC, a lot of people come to these boards to seek answers to various horticultural issues that they have likme garden design, gardening techniques, growing your own vegwetasbnles etc. Do you seriously think that you can pacify us with welcoming us on to a board which is just for discussing TV programmes.

    ANY CHANCE OF ANSWERING THIS PLEASE ??

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  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by Houdy222 (U8365378) on Friday, 13th April 2012

    Sorry about the spelling mistakes in my previous post !!!

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  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Pumpkin_Patch_Paul (U14565900) on Friday, 13th April 2012

    PLEASE! PLEASE! Tell me it was nothing to do with hair dye....Pheraps it was the sweet pea inccident....*grin*

    PPP

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by Ariadne Knickerbocker (U4534559) on Friday, 13th April 2012

    I would say it was almost certainly down to muttongate

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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Sunday, 15th April 2012

    THE TIME for "Changes to the BBC Gardening messageboard" IS APPROACHING FAST and I think, if we wish to remain a coherent community, we probably need a designated thread on a specific board where we can give each other help and support.

    I have looked at the suggested Archers but found it to be all over the place, simply because it's an "off topic" place. However, we need to be quick about our decisions and possible requests/actions.

    As Peta has said, the Points of View board will be fine for posting our opinions, etc.,relating to the programme itself, but current rules would consider anything else to be "off topic".

    I replied to Peta, mentioning that the PoV board also contains a specific threat, which has nothing to do with the BBC, entitled “Non BBC television chat thread”, and perhaps the PoV board can offer to the millions of us who watch GARDENERS' WORLD such a thread. I believe for the purposes of choosing PoV material, the non-BBC thread is non-existent, which would also be fine for those of us who simply need a similar thread for help, advice and support.

    The excerpt below is taken from my reply to Peta: www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...
    excerpt from Message 39


    "Finally, I fully appreciate and thank you for your welcoming messages and explanations of what the current rules allow. However, these rules are not God-given, I trust, but simply written by men and women, most likely the former(?), at a time when the needs of millions of the Nation’s gardening community were adequately provided for. This is no longer the case; so, if the non-BBC thread can exist here - I suspect because it is not considered for Points of View - so, perhaps, could not just a thread strictly discussing GW as a programme, the way you suggest, but also another that maybe called GARDENERS’ WORLD COMMUNITY MATTERS for subject areas of gardening that the present rules would consider “off - topic” . Is “My BBC” flexible, willing and understanding enough for such an earth shattering decision? I hope so!"


    So, what are your ideas? What is the best we, the millions of GW viewers and BBC fee payers, can do for ourselves? In Granny's words: the child who doesn't cry, doesn't get its milk...

    How are we going to achieve what we require?

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  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Sunday, 15th April 2012

    The actual link!

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Yakram (U2443370) on Monday, 16th April 2012

    As a long-time member of these boards I am very saddened that the gardening cameraderie and community here is being destroyed. These boards have helped me through some very dark times over the years; I am now bereft.
    Thank you folks - you helped in ways more than just gardening.

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  • Message 14

    , in reply to message 13.

    Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Monday, 16th April 2012

    As a long-time member of these boards I am very saddened that the gardening cameraderie and community here is being destroyed. These boards have helped me through some very dark times over the years; I am now bereft.
    Thank you folks - you helped in ways more than just gardening. 


    Most of us are equally saddened, Yakram, though it would appear that one or two have been praying for this for a long time. Some of them now suggest alternative messageboards, where they reign supreme.

    If you really care about what happens to our messageboard community, why don't you write to Peta - www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb... - asking if we could possibly have just one thread on the BBC Television messageboard, just like the Non-BBC tv chat tread, which she has sanctioned.

    I have already written to her but one swallow doesn't make a summer..

    Of course, the current rules say that messages should be BBC programme based; however, the Non-BBC tv chat thread isn't, so it would hardly be a new departure.

    A defeatist attitude will achieve nothing. We need to ASK so that is given to us and KNOCK so that it will be opened to us. We have nothing to lose but possibly much to gain. Don't you agree?

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  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by Lydia Dusbin (U15056042) on Tuesday, 17th April 2012

    As a long-time member of these boards I am very saddened that the gardening cameraderie and community here is being destroyed. These boards have helped me through some very dark times over the years; I am now bereft.
    Thank you folks - you helped in ways more than just gardening. 


    Most of us are equally saddened, Yakram, though it would appear that one or two have been praying for this for a long time. Some of them now suggest alternative messageboards, where they reign supreme.

    If you really care about what happens to our messageboard community, why don't you write to Peta - www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb... - asking if we could possibly have just one thread on the BBC Television messageboard, just like the Non-BBC tv chat tread, which she has sanctioned.

    I have already written to her but one swallow doesn't make a summer..

    Of course, the current rules say that messages should be BBC programme based; however, the Non-BBC tv chat thread isn't, so it would hardly be a new departure.

    A defeatist attitude will achieve nothing. We need to ASK so that is given to us and KNOCK so that it will be opened to us. We have nothing to lose but possibly much to gain. Don't you agree?
     
    I very much doubt that you will get concessions. If you ask for a separate thread for Gardening on the POV boards then they will merely bat it back to you and say they'll have to do it for all closing boards. I am sure the Food board would like a replacement thread too. On the POV board it took years just to get a "other TV programmes thread".

    I also think that you will find trying to keep a continuity of dialogue in a single thread is frustrating. The POV "films on BBCTV only" thread is like talking in a very noisy room with a 4 minute delay between replies.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Tuesday, 17th April 2012

    ""I very much doubt that you will get concessions. If you ask for a separate thread for Gardening on the POV boards then they will merely bat it back to you and say they'll have to do it for all closing boards. I am sure the Food board would like a replacement thread too. On the POV board it took years just to get a "other TV programmes thread.

    I also think that you will find trying to keep a continuity of dialogue in a single thread is frustrating. The POV "films on BBCTV only" thread is like talking in a very noisy room with a 4 minute delay between replies.""


    I hear what you're saying, Lydia, but the Food Messageboard, where I have posted on occasion, was never really linked to a BBC cookery programme. The gardening messageboard is.

    As for continuity of dialogue, let us have our thread and we will manage fine. The film people, it seems to me, are arguing to put across their superior point of you; our aim will be, as usual, to give help/support to a fellow gardener.

    We will be having, no doubt, our noisy exchanges in the PoV section discussion of the programme!

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by ArtemisH (U14261033) on Tuesday, 17th April 2012

    Re: closure of gardening message board.

    Please go to www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

    if you wish to add your voice to the discussion.

    Thank you

    Artemis

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 10.

    Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) on Thursday, 19th April 2012

    I would say it was almost certainly down to muttongate  Not weevilgate then?

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by the cycling gardener (U2350416) on Thursday, 19th April 2012

    I've been posting on the Gardening message board since 2002 when I was so moved to voice my opinion about Chris Collins' Plantsman series I trawled the BBC online service and found it quite by accident - and what a brilliant board it was. Sad to say, it all went downhill when the new board layout was implemented and the moderators became more vociferous around the time of the Grid fiasco.

    I will continue to post my opinion about GW and other BBC gardening programmes over on the PoV board where I hope many of you will do likewise. I've had so much pleasure reading what you all think and engaging in a good debate and sincerely hope to see you over there where I hope there will be more of the same.

    Bye for now.
    CG

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by Derek Pig (U14833635) on Thursday, 19th April 2012

    How tremendous to see David K, straight in there, kicking off, never happy, always whinging, never right, always sure, hang on is that next doors kids, moan moan moan, blah blah blah, thats outrageous, who's fault is this, now hey thats a personal attack... and another thing... and another thing... anyone else I can hurt....

    Just thank god this wasn't ink becasue what a waste, what a waste. The changes to the BBC and all other public sector organisations hit real people in the pocket. To reply with the kind of snear that david K does is vile.

    David, true to form, will ask the very people he attacks (moderators) to defend him. the people who attack the european court of human rights would be the first people to appeal to the court for protection. The indignant are alwats the most preposterous.

    I hope that everyone who is affected by the changes at the bbc finds work elsewhere and gets throught his period ok. If you've worked for the bbc, you have skills that are clearly very much in need elsewhere. Good luck

    Now hey, thats a personal attack- have the bottle to respond

    Derek Pig. the Hotspur, Percy St. Newcastle Upon Tyneside

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by Mycowaz (U14848091) on Saturday, 21st April 2012


    Dezza.....I have a feeling you may have half the posters on the message board 'looking you up' Haha!

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by Houdy222 (U8365378) on Wednesday, 25th April 2012

    How tremendous to see David K, straight in there, kicking off, never happy, always whinging, never right, always sure, hang on is that next doors kids, moan moan moan, blah blah blah, thats outrageous, who's fault is this, now hey thats a personal attack... and another thing... and another thing... anyone else I can hurt....

    Just thank god this wasn't ink becasue what a waste, what a waste. The changes to the BBC and all other public sector organisations hit real people in the pocket. To reply with the kind of snear that david K does is vile.

    David, true to form, will ask the very people he attacks (moderators) to defend him. the people who attack the european court of human rights would be the first people to appeal to the court for protection. The indignant are alwats the most preposterous.

    I hope that everyone who is affected by the changes at the bbc finds work elsewhere and gets throught his period ok. If you've worked for the bbc, you have skills that are clearly very much in need elsewhere. Good luck

    Now hey, thats a personal attack- have the bottle to respond

    Derek Pig. the Hotspur, Percy St. Newcastle Upon Tyneside 
    Didn't think David K would respond to this. It says it all really

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by David K (U14115317) on Wednesday, 25th April 2012



    Not sure what you mean, Houdy.

    Do you think it merited a response?

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 23.

    Posted by Derek Pig (U14833635) on Wednesday, 25th April 2012

    Of course it did man, however you are only good at beating on those in the media spot light who cannot reply. Lots of people who use message boards are bullys. I only came on these boards in the first place becasue of how horrible you were being about people on Diurmid Gavin's Garden School. You're hardly going to start a row here with me- are you?

    You know I'm right- everyone knows I'm right- and you do care about that David.

    Warrior Spirit!

    Derek

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 24.

    Posted by Gartenmeister (U14860990) on Wednesday, 25th April 2012

    Don't you know, we've come too far now, just to go, and try to throw it all away?

    BBC gardening message boards, "Won't you stay another day?"

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by puppydogeyes (U14659366) on Thursday, 26th April 2012

    These boards are closing today-many poster have migrated here

    www.gardenersworld.c...

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 26.

    Posted by Peta (U24) on Thursday, 26th April 2012


    Remember that you're welcome to come and discuss BBC Gardening programmes on the BBC Points of View board, and your comments may also be included in the programme. smiley - ok

    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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