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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by mogatogs (U14178925) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    Well you did say to ask questions!!

    A good friend has become vegan, she has been veggie for umpteen years, my dilemma is what can I make for her without having to go and buy specialist ingredients - ahe and her OH have split up due to pressurising him to become veggie, he loves his meat!
    I would like to be able when she hopefully 'pops' in to make some lunch, supper etc without getting stressed.

    Rhanks for your help


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    Posted by Monnikka (U13753075) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    We are not vegan but almost everything we eat is vegan friendly.

    Veggie stir fry with tofu and noodles

    Vegetable and lentil curry and rice

    Vegetable and chickpea tagine and couscous

    Linda McCartney sausages, mash and peas

    Home made veggie burgers

    That's off the top of my head - I'm sure others will have other ideas.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    Mogs - go to Mamta. I have always thought that India has the only decent veggie food!

    Monnikka - I didn't know that they made sausages out of Linda McCartney. Don't think that counts as veggie though. Recycling; yes.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by kari49 (U12195831) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    mogs did you send me a message?, if you did could you please send me again thank you karen

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    Hi mogs,

    What does your friend like to eat? Might be easier finding that out than trying to find recipes she might like. Having said that, this is my personal favourite - & one I made up, so feel free to use it ad lib. smiley - smiley

    Ingredients per person:

    small handful spinach
    2oz green / puy / brown lentils (not the red split ones because they break down - you want ones that hold their shape)
    1 smallish potato / 1/2 small sweet potato
    1 med. carrot
    the thick half of a parsnip
    1 red onion
    1 tomato
    1 tsp olive oil
    seasonings to taste
    bit extra olive oil for twizzling


    Cook the lentils as per packet instructions.
    Peel / chop the veg (not the tomato / spinach) into chunky chip shapes
    Pop them in a zippable freezer / picnic bag, add the 1 tsp olive oil, zip up & bob the bag around until everything's coated
    Tip out into a baking tin & bake at gas 8 (? about 240C) for about 15 mins until mostly roasted
    Chop the tomato into quarters & add to the roasting tin - continue to roast for a further 5 mins
    The lentils should be just about cooked by now
    Drain them & leave them to sit, with a lid on, whilst you organise the rest
    Put spinach onto the plate like a bed
    Add the lentils & top off with the roasted veg plus any juices from the tin
    Top off with seasoning to taste & an extra drizzle of olive oil

    Yum. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 4th August 2010

    Mogs - Tarka Dal is a great dish. But be careful what you use for the tarka bit. Careless shopping could lead to something vegans would find otterly unacceptable.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    A jar of vegan pesto in the fridge could be useful (easiy found in the 'free from' section of supermarkets), to make a quick pasta dish. One of my 'simple suppers' is pasta with pesto, spinach and cherry toms stirred in an a few pine nuts if I have any. aJ

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    Posted by Saravisiae (U2247962) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    In this country most bread you can buy is OK for vegans, Hovis even lable their stuff as suitable. For light meals beans (check labels but I think most brands are OK) on toast or mushrooms fried in olive oil on toast are both good. Hummus is a good thing to have in the fridge too. You can make wraps or sandwiches with that and some salad. If you can get/make some vegan bouillon or veggie stock then you can make some great vegetable (and lentil or chickpea) soups.

    I wouldn't worry too much, you probably have loads of things just in the cupboard, fridge or freezer that are vegan without you even realising! Also even vegans don't need a protein part to every meal. Often when I go out the only thing I can eat in a pub is the chips and a plain salad. Then I make sure I have something a bit healthier for the other meals of the day.

    For buiscuits, check the ingredients/allergy advice on some normal ones and you might be suprised- last time I looked Bourbons were vegan! Cheaper things are often better because they use vegetable oil rather than butter. At Christmas I found that ALDI and some other supermarket's cheaper mince pies were seemed to be vegan.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Bryn_Friallen (U14401160) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    @aJ and Mogs
    careful with pasta, quite a lot of Italian pasta has egg in it! but easy to find pasta, and noodles, without eggs smiley - ok

    only saying this because in the homeless shelter where OH and I volunteer sometimes, we are continually reminded of this.

    smiley - biggrin

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    Why? Is it just for homeless vegans?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Mrs Vee (U2897076) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    This is a really nice easy lunch dish served with some decent bread. Obviously I don't use anchovies smiley - doh but a sprinkling of pine nuts works well instead.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by mogatogs (U14178925) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    Thank you all, for your suggestions, can I buy Tofu and keep it in the freezer?

    I will go to a 'big' supermarket this weekend and stock up on some vegan pesto, and lentils etc, I have had an email from her today and she says she will drop by on Sunday, so I will keep my fingers crossed.

    Thanks again


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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Mrs Vee (U2897076) on Thursday, 5th August 2010

    It's fine to freeze tofu - I often do it. I find it tends to be a bit firmer than usual once it's defrosted and drained but that's no bad thing.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by mogatogs (U14178925) on Friday, 6th August 2010

    Evening All,

    Friend is coming for lunch on Sunday, OH will be out so we can have a girlie chat, I plan to do wild mushroom risotto, using veg stock and wine,(the bottle I have bought says V friendly) can I use veggie parmesan or is there a Vegan equiv. I would normally do a garlic ciabatta with it, is that OK or what else. I can call into HFS on my way home tomorrow.

    Thank you once again,


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  • Message 15

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Saturday, 7th August 2010

    That sounds great. You can get vegan 'parmesan' for sprinkling in HFSs but it's not great and I think most vegans would just rather skip the cheese altogether, and would enjoy the risotto without it.

    Garlic bread sounds good if you have some vegan friedly margarine to make the garlic 'butter' with. Pure brand do a soya based one and a sunflower one, and Vitalite is also vegan friendly. Your supermarket/ HFS should stock at least one of these. I'm sure your friend will be very appreciative of your efforts to accommodate her. Enjoy the girly chats smiley - smiley

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 7th August 2010

    What is unvegan about any marge, so long as it is not a blend with butter?

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by mogatogs (U14178925) on Saturday, 7th August 2010

    Thanks Astro

    We already use Vitalite at home, so I feel reassured and ready for anything she may throw at me, except for looking after the dog! my cats would object strongly!!!

    Thanks to everyone for their help


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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Saturday, 7th August 2010


    Vitalite is not vegan! I looked this morning.

    It says "dairy free" on the front of the pack, but lists lactic acid in its ingredients. I have learned the hard way that lactic acid is only vegan when it stipulates that - if it doesn't say "vegan lactic acid" or "lactic acid made from sugar", then it's made from milk.

    The lactic acid in Vitalite does not stipulate anything - so I'm taking it that it's made from milk &, therefore, not vegan.

    Hope this clarifies. If anyone knows different, please let me know because it's half the price of Pure. Thanks smiley - smiley

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Saturday, 7th August 2010

    Ask them!

    But does it really matter where the molecules of lactic acid came from? Is it a religious issue?

    Do vegans realise that many of the atoms and molecules in vegetables came from dead animals?

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    I have a tub of Vitalite and it does say "suitable for vegans" on the opposite end of the tub to the ingredients list so I therefore assumed the lactic acid is vegan. I usually get Pure but it'd sold out when I was shopping so thougt I'd try Vitalite as it's cheaper smiley - smiley

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Ok. I've e-mailed them &, if this thread is still here by the time they respond, I'll let you know. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    It does explicitly state "dairy free".

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    It also specifically says "lactic acid" in its list of ingredients.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    But lactic acid is made from fermenting sugar, not milk. To make it from milk would be ludicruosly convoluted and expensive.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    No. You are wrong.

    Lactic acid was always historically made from milk & still is, ludicrously expensive or not.

    Only in the last few years has VEGAN lactic acid started to be used, aka lactic acid made from sugar.

    Which is why those of us who are aware of the difference also know not to trust any package that claims its contents is vegan or dairy-free whilst, at the same time, listing lactic acid in its ingredients, whilst not specifying that it is lactic acid made from sugar.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Purac, who make the stuff, seem to use sugar.

    Can you find a source of milk derived lactic acid, to prove your point?

    As a matter of interest, in what way do you think lactic acid of dairy origin would be different to lactic acid of sugar origin?

    Do vegans eat vegetables that have been grown in manured soil? Or indeed any soil?

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Why should I justify myself to you?

    I am not going to let you turn this thread into the type of "debate" you forced on the Food Chat board.

    It should be obvious to you why vegans don't eat foods from animal sources & it's none of your business why. I'm sick of your constant argument & your following me around the boards. Why don't you just grow up?

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    j3 - I posted on this thread before you did, so you are following me - though unless you have changed your name I don't recall you being around long at all.

    And it is not me who started making claims about vitalite that seem to be incorrect.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by jaybird (U8071874) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Why are you being so confrontational? If a person does not want to use Vitalite and has explained to you the reason why, why should you hound them with question after question for doing so - unless you are getting some perverse pleasure out of doing so that is ....

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by jaybird (U8071874) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    One of my favourite sandwiches when eating at home is to spread hummous onto good seeded bread preferably hand cut (no need for margarine), then use fried tomatoes and mushrooms as a filling. Serve warm with a mixed side salad which includes sprouted seeds on top if possible. Sprouted seeds incidentally are really healthy for everyone, they are easy and cheap to do as well and make a salad look that extra bit special.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    jaybird - I'm no being "confrontational" unless it is "confrontational" to tell someone they are wrong about something they state as a fact, so perhaps misleading others.

    "Confrontational" might be to ask vegans if they drink tapwater which has come from streams, rivers, and reservoirs and so inevitably includes animal derived water.

    Or to seek to convert veg** people back to the joys of meat by making my posts bacon flavoured.

    If (God forbid) I should ever have to follow a vegan diet, hummus and sprouted beans would be favourites. I recently sprouted channa dal - great. What do you sprout?

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Paulthebread (U3840406) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    'Aka' is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde character!

    ATM he's in wind-up mode - verging on troll mode.

    I find he's best ignored whatever frame of mind he's in.

    About a vegan spread - I freeze olive oil in a margarine tub and then leave it in the fridge where it stays solid, just like a margarine.

    However, this doesn't work in my daughter's fridge - hers must be a tad warmer than mine, I guess.

    I'm keeping my fingers crossed for next week - but my hopes aren't very high.

    I'll give it a go, of course, and I think the word Veggie or Vegan at the beginning of a title thread is a good idea that might just work.

    Cheers, Paul

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by jaybird (U8071874) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Hi Paul, I tend to agree with you on using 'Veggie' or 'vegan' in front of threads although there will probably be those that object even to that.

    I followed the link in another thread to the wildfood message board. On the one hand I was pleased to see you posting there but on the other hand you were having to be defensive on that particular thread - something of a 'home from home' feeling judging by some people's views aired on this board at the moment. Questioning our comments about how we will miss the vegetarian board.
    I wondered what you think in general about the wildfood message board - is it worth joining in your opinion?

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Paulthebread (U3840406) on Sunday, 8th August 2010

    Hi jaybird

    I thought I was pretty restrained on the thread you're thinking of - I try to hold back any righteous anger if I can. Often someone says what I'd like to say - only better!

    On the whole I do recommend Wildfood as a forum. It's got several advantages IMO:
    1.On the whole they're a pretty tolerant bunch - although they can seem a bit cliquey.
    2. You can post anything reasonable without any danger it'll be triangled
    3. You can edit your posts, which I find very useful.
    4. If you have a disagreement with someone you can PM them - so any comments you make are only seen by that person and it doesn't inflame the situation. You can PM for positive reasons as well, of course!

    There are others, I'm sure, but I want to post this before the boards close.

    Oh, of course, Wildfood never shuts!

    And it's got a veggie board (which is also used as a gardening forum as well).

    Cheers, Paul

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    Posted by GillthePainter (U2164232) on Monday, 9th August 2010

    Hi Mogatogs.

    I know you said you don't want to buy expensive ingredients.
    But one thing I would say is vegan cuisine is on the whole delicious food.
    Admittedly, it a may be a bit of a chore to embrace it every day, but as a dabble it's great!

    I've been a follower of EFCliz's food thoughts, and bought a couple of vegan books upon her recommendation.

    So my point is, why not try some vegan products and "get into" the cooking, as your friend sounds like she'll be around for a while.
    You're going for tofu already.
    Have a look at tempeh too.
    There's engevita,
    that I'd never heard of. Delicious yeast flakes that add seasoning, and rather tasty just left to dissolve on the tongue.
    Vegan cream's fabulous on fruit.

    Who knows, you may buy a book.

    Why am I enthusing about the food? Because I made probably the best meal by my standards from my vegan cookery book.

    If you still need a recipe, I've got one. Just ask.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Monday, 9th August 2010

    I have heard back from Dairy Crest, who make Vitalite.

    The lactic acid used in Vitalite is made from sugar, so is vegan. smiley - smiley

    Thank you, Astro, for letting me know about Vitalite - I'm sorry I doubted you, but I do have to be very careful with vegan products. smiley - smiley

    I've asked them to add wording to their ingredients list so that it's obvious the source is vegan, so as to prevent further confusion. I'm sure they can do that - Green & Black's did on their dark choc when I asked, after they started putting 'dried milk powder' at the end of their ingredients - there isn't any added milk, but they use the dark choc to wash through the machines after they've had milk choc going through there, so wanted to be certain we understood. Now they explain that on their labels. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Jasmin (U14270220) on Monday, 9th August 2010

    And, yes, Organo-whatever - I can prove my Green & Blacks claim! Before you ask.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Monday, 9th August 2010

    Brilliant news Jasmin - It's always good to know for sure. I'm not vegan but my boyfriend is and I wouldn't want to give him
    anything that's not vegan. smiley - smiley

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Monday, 9th August 2010

    jasmin3 - wait until you are hit before you cry. Far from questioning your g+b claim, I do not even understand it. I note you did not mention that Vitalite had confirmed what I said and you disputed.

    astroJanine - it is very proper of you to avoid tempting your boyfriend with anything non-vegan.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    May amuse those with a sense for it.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    I do try, apart from of course tempting him with my non-vegan self, Organoleptic smiley - smiley

    I have to agree tofu in a shepherd's pie would be a no-no. Soy mince, yes.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    astro-Janine - LOL - that was what I had in mind!

    Vegan lovemaking must be constrained.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    Perhaps, in the sense whipped cream is off the menu.

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    Well, presumably non-dairy cream would be OK?

    But licking it from skin must inevitably involve ingestion of animal matter, so that's out? Let alone other activities mere mention of which would doubtless excite the local whitehouses.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by astroJanine (U11646041) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    I gather if there is consent for the skin [other] molecules to be consumed then that's fine.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    I suppose that's perfectly rational.

    So he can have a steak - but will have to go to the end of the Universe to find it?

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by wildfruitbat (U8490825) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010


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  • Message 48

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    Posted by jaybird (U8071874) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    Ah yuk! Tis a bit like a human offering himself up to a cannibal: I suggest you chop my left foot off first it's just been washed! Nighmares are made of this ... I recognised it as Douglas Adams from the mention of Ford Prefect.

    In reply to your earlier question I sprout mung beans, chick peas, green & puy lentils, sunflower seeds, alfalfa, radish, broccoli,mustard seeds and peas. Some only occasionally, it's mainly mung, sunflower and alfalfa. I haven't tried chana dahl that you said you sprout - is that a yellowish bean? I did try sprouting flax and camelina seeds but they just ended up in a glutinous mess.

    Here's one of the links to sprouting seeds but there are others:

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 10th August 2010

    It was in fact kala chana that I sprouted - which IIRC is the raw material for chana dal.

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