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    Posted by LaConchita (U8276927) on Tuesday, 8th July 2008

    Having been disappointed by the last series of GBM, I'm also struggling with this new series of Celebrity Masterchef.

    Is it just that the formats are too old hat or has there been a decline in quality or have we just had too much of a 'good' thing?

    What do you think?

    I'm feeling the need for a food programme that isn't a game or a competition, isn't about competing with take aways and is stunt free.

    I love the programmes that combine food and travel like Rick's Med Escapes. I watched the 1st part of Francesco's Voyage tonight and wish he was a chef!

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    Posted by Cheesecake Dave (U11385359) on Wednesday, 9th July 2008

    I love the programmes that combine food and travel like Rick's Med Escapes 

    I quite agree, food and travel are my biggest passions. Hence my favourite cooking programmes include Rick Stein, Hairy Bikers and Keith Floyd. You can't beat cooking with fresh, local ingredients against the background of their heritage done by someone who has a genuine passion for what they're doing.

    I have much respect for Antonio Carluccio, but I don't find excitement in seeing him doing penne amatriciano in a terraced house in Dartford.

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    Posted by Wordsworth (U11058989) on Wednesday, 9th July 2008

    that isn't a game or a competition, 

    Oh I so agree with you - let's have a programme that's informative rather than competitive or entertainment. There were some suggestions a few weeks ago - I'm afraid I can't remember the thread but my suggestion was that I would like to see a chef showing a family on a low income how to make nutritious, healthy meals.

    Maybe that's even more important now that prices are rising so quickly?

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    Posted by archiduc (U10667681) on Wednesday, 9th July 2008

    Hi LaConchita,
    I`m inclined to agree with you. I watched this evening`s MPW food programme which, to me seems to be a cross between Rick Stein`s "Food Heroes" and GBM. Somehow, it just doesn`t work for me and I`m still trying to work out why.

    If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery then the BBC should be preening themselves.

    In my experience chefs are not egalitarian individuals - too much ego, and as an ex-chef, I have to say, why not! They create dishes, cost, plan and put them on the menu and, for the customer, "you takes your choice". Another element which seems to be creeping into cooking programmes is making it easy or watering it down!

    Having trained for 3 years, worked in the industry and taught individuals of very disparate skills and intellectual competencies, I don`t believe that cooking is difficult, but recognise that it is both a science and an art. This philosophy seems to be missing from so many programmes as so few chefs on TV explain what is happening in terms of the physical and chemical changes that food undergoes as it is cooked or demonstrate the basics, which form the basis of questions on this board. To me, it seems that cooking on TV has become a bit of a "quick fix" and all about entertainment. I think there is a thirst for basic skills and how these can be developed to create more complex dishes. For example, if you can make cottage pie, you can make a ragu bolognese, add a white sauce and you can make lasagne/moussaka and if you can brown meat for a stew you can make Boeuf Bourguinonne, IMHO. I would like to see programmes which shows this. Shouldn`t be difficult - "I`m Free"smiley - biggrin

    All the best,
    Archiduc

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    Posted by Cheesecake Dave (U11385359) on Thursday, 10th July 2008

    Hi Archiduc,

    I watched this evening`s MPW food programme which, to me seems to be a cross between Rick Stein`s "Food Heroes" and GBM. Somehow, it just doesn`t work for me and I`m still trying to work out why. 

    I watched it too, and I must say I completely agree with you. It does seem that the GBM and Food Heroes formats have been judged to work, so let's do that again, roll them into one, add a bit of whatever MPW is judged to bring, winning formula! Although pleasant enough viewing, it doesn't work for me either - it's been done.

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    Posted by Wordsworth (U11058989) on Thursday, 10th July 2008

    I just don't think MPW is much of a presenter - he's not dynamic enough.

    I don't mean him to emulate GR because I now find his language boring. It made me take notice when he first appeared on TV but now I think he probably does it for effect - I mean, he doesn't speak like that to his wife & kids, does he?

    Also, as others have said, I don't see the point of the current MPW programme. Has it been made just because ITV thought they ought to have a food series as well? I don't think they thought it through.

    Isn't the maitre d' the same guy who was on The F Word last year?

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    Posted by Tatihou (U6849712) on Thursday, 10th July 2008

    Having been disappointed by the last series of GBM, I'm also struggling with this new series of Celebrity Masterchef.

    Is it just that the formats are too old hat or has there been a decline in quality or have we just had too much of a 'good' thing?  

    My problem with most of these "celebrity" shows is I have no idea who the celebrities are. And even when I do know who they are, I couldn't care less about them.

    I suppose I'm particularly dismissive of CelebrityMC because whereas on MC the contestants are all there because (rightly or wrongly!) they believe they can cook, a lot of the "celebrity" contestants are only there as a boost to their (sometimes flagging) careers. Look at last night (Wednesday) - no real foodie amongst them and certainly no recipe I'd bother trying to emulate.

    I'm getting the impression with this series of CelebrityMC that it's being made for the benefit of the celebrities and Messrs Torode and Wallace but with little thought of creating interesting tv for the *viewer*.

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    Posted by jovialbutterfly (U7595735) on Thursday, 10th July 2008

    yes - the same guy was in Hells Kitchen - its Nick (listen to me, like I know him)

    lol

    but I do think he and MPW make quite an eccentric pairing.

    La C - I see what you mean - I am a complete Masterchef addict...and I have to say, so far this one isn't hitting the same buttons. (Don't get me wrong, I'm still tuning in to every episode, but it just isn't quite the same....) but perhaps I just haven't got into it as yet and also...I do like the later rounds...so I suppose I'll reserve my comments until I've viewed a bit more.

    For some reason, I have really gone off the F word this season - although it could be that I've only been half watching it. I really cannot have that Janet Street Porter woman

    I used to love the format of Great Food Live or the other show, with the three presenters...one with red hair, I think it was great food bites or something. I too would like to see an informative show that educates and involves the audience. I quite like the MPW show - but for all the wrong reasons, I think smiley - winkeye

    I used to love the old format of Food Heroes on UKTV food or the old Gary Rhodes' shows where he went round the British Isles. I also quite liked the show with James Martin going round stately homes...I think that food programmes have gone overboard on "gimmicks" instead of focusing on the food.

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    Posted by LaConchita (U8276927) on Friday, 11th July 2008

    Interesting to see how many of you feel the same.

    I do think a lot of it is lazy telly. Producers are thrashing the life out of formats and there's no delight or surprise left. I bet we could all write the scripts for next week's F Word or Masterchef now.

    I think MC is also being spoilt by these double helpings. According to this website it's supposed to be on every day for 30 mins. And Taste of my Life would have been better every week rather than every day. It gives you a chance to savour it, look forward to it. It's like a fast food approach to telly. Make loads and shove it out quickly. Gobble gobble. Well I've got televisual indigestion!

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    Posted by LaConchita (U8276927) on Friday, 11th July 2008

    Make loads and shove it out quickly. 

    I missed out the important word ... make loads cheaply.

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    Posted by archiduc (U10667681) on Friday, 11th July 2008

    Hi La Conchita,
    I think I`ve worked out one or two of the reasons why I don`t like the MPW programme. I think it is because I find his presentation style when it comes to food too ponderous and the cooking snippets focus to much on his face and not enough on the food. I would rather hear the voice and see more of the food.

    I know that a chef of his experience would work at lightening speed and recognise that there would be a need to show any cooking process down a bit more slowly than he would do it if working during a service. However, it seems to me to be done in quadrupled slowed motion.

    I would be much more interested in a programme showing him working in his pub kitchen, what recipes he makes, how does he source products, recruit and train staff and manage the interaction between kitchen staff and front of house satff, deal with problems etc. After all, with his new found passion and commitment to UK food, surely this is what he is doing professionally so there is no need for the artificial, imitative format of the current programme.

    All the best,
    Archiduc

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    Posted by heiditrap (U12642557) on Saturday, 12th July 2008

    I think the decline in quality is because they are doing celeb master chef now.. it's a bit like when they do the missing link with celebs.. it's a total waste of time. If they want to keep this program going they need REAL people again from the streets of Britain. That may be a good start actually, for the presenter to go in to one of the high streets and pull in a few punters and quiz them for the show. They could go to various areas and get regional contenders. Hey BBC if you want me for an ideas person get in touch please.

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    Posted by LaConchita (U8276927) on Wednesday, 30th July 2008

    Bumping re. the conversation on the EWTE 'too far' thread ...

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    Posted by LaConchita (U8276927) on Thursday, 4th September 2008

    Bumping for LastDays re. discussion on Hairy Bikers thread.

    Since I started this thread Masterchef Pro has been another disappointment. Badly researched and lazy producing IMO.

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