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Up to Courchevel they go . . .

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Message 21 - posted by timbo777 (U1704355) , Jul 12, 2005

at letour.fr you get:

news updates every minute or two
graphical split of different groups with time differance and jerseys

list of who's in which group.

Layout of stage and what point on the stage the race is at.

and list of recent points on the stage...

...and all one the same page... neat!

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Message 22 - posted by slapshot_3 (U1685569) , Jul 12, 2005

Who wants to talk about a bluff the other day... Ulrich over 2 mins back, Basso 1 min plus, Vino 4 minutes gone and he's nowhere in sight. Vino in now 5:18 back.

Jeez one stage and it's gone

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Message 23 - posted by Nick Havoc (U1645160) , Jul 12, 2005

Valverde wins! A bit of a surprise for me. Was it close on the line?

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Not a surprise for me. Lance would have taken it if no one could hang with him. It helps him out when riders who are not likely to win the GC hang with him through the tough climbs. He's not usually one to pip them for the stage win.

Remember Basso in the early mountain stages last year? If Valverde hangs anywhere near the overall lead, Armstrong will fight him hard for stage wins, but for now, he's happy to get the help up the mountains.

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Message 24 - posted by Elysium (U865199) , Jul 12, 2005

Armstrong tried to shake him but failed leaving Valverde in his wheel- it was close but no surprise once he failed to shake him.

How far back is he in the GC btw?

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He was in 24th before today; no doubt he'll be in the top 5 now for sure. Rasmussen will be second behind Lance in overall standings.

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Message 25 - posted by Elysium (U865199) , Jul 12, 2005

Valverde wins! A bit of a surprise for me. Was it close on the line?
Not a surprise for me. Lance would have taken it if no one could hang with him. It helps him out when riders who are not likely to win the GC hang with him through the tough climbs. He's not usually one to pip them for the stage win.

Remember Basso in the early mountain stages last year? If Valverde hangs anywhere near the overall lead, Armstrong will fight him hard for stage wins, but for now, he's happy to get the help up the mountains.

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Yeah that's a fair point. There were several close finishes between Basso and Armstrong last year; we'll have to see what Valverde can do in the next few stages.

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Message 26 - posted by Elysium (U865199) , Jul 12, 2005

This is the overall GC now:

General classification after stage 10

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 37.11.04
2 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 0.38
3 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 2.40
4 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit Agricole 2.42
5 Alejandro Valverde (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 3.16
6 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 3.58
7 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 4.00
8 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 4.02
9 Andreas Klöden (Ger) T-Mobile Team 4.16
10 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems

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Message 27 - posted by sidthejedi (U1685390) , Jul 12, 2005

What about Rasmussen?? Never heard of the guy before.

Is he like the French guy who gained a lot of time on a break away then hung on in the GC for a week or is he a threat? Close on the road today as well - anyone able to comment on how he looked on TV, whether he was comfortable or not?

Good stage for the Discovery team though - they burnt the legs out of a lot of very good climbers in the section just before the last big climb with the pace they set.

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Message 28 - posted by Nick Havoc (U1645160) , Jul 12, 2005

A US cyclist was almost an oxymoron befoe Lemond came along in the 80's. Three in the top 10 halfway through the tour is pretty impressive. (Yes, I'm a yank . . .)

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Message 29 - posted by BigRing (U1704406) , Jul 12, 2005

Gee I still can't work out who the secret leader of T Mobile is :-)

Awesome display from LA, looks like everyone bar Rasmussen is out of it. Tomorrow is going to be very interesting as is Sunday.

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Message 30 - posted by Nick Havoc (U1645160) , Jul 12, 2005

What about Rasmussen?? Never heard of the guy before.

Is he like the French guy who gained a lot of time on a break away then hung on in the GC for a week or is he a threat?

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Not exactly. He's a really good climber and is after the Polka Dot jersey. Although, after today's impressive ride, I'm sure Lance and the boys will be keeping an eye on him. :)

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Message 31 - posted by MichaelBoogerd (U1701796) , Jul 12, 2005

Armstrong did his usual thing.

Its a shame to say so too did Ullrich and the Spanish 'true' climbers.

Valverde constantly surprises, and i give Rasmussen credit for today as well. I thought he would be well and truly spent after Sunday. If Rabobank can look after guys like Moreau & keep that 2-3 minute gap alive to Ullrich and the like... it could be the team survive with a guy on the podium.

As usual. The race winner is a fore-gone conclusion baring a wreckless day - and when has Lance ever had one of those. Fortunately there is still enough left in the rest of the Tour to keep the rest of us interested too!

btw. For the amazing battle of live updates! You can't beat the humour & fast updating of live.cyclingnews.com

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Message 32 - posted by loverofsports (U1690717) , Jul 12, 2005

I must say I'm a bit flabbergasted that its happened so early! I can't wait to see the highlights now - I was a tad concerned the other day when LA was left on his own on the first climb of the TdF.

As for Rasmussen, I don't think he's a great time trialist so, yes, DSC will definitely keep an eye on him in the next week but I don't think he's a serious threat to LA. Lets hope he can hold on to a podium finish though as he certainly deserves it what with his performances in yesterday and today's stages! I guess this leaves 2nd and 3rd wide open although this definitely doesn't mean that LA will relax, as he always says its a long way to the finish and anything can happen!

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Message 33 - posted by saffaroni (U1704673) , Jul 12, 2005

Is no one else surprised how Valverde sent such a strong message to the field (incl. Lance) "Hey, guys, I am not tired and I can go all out even after that climb" ????

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Message 34 - posted by pvandck (U1688237) , Jul 12, 2005

"What about Rasmussen??"
He's an ex-world champion mountain biker. No slouch but I don't think he's a threat on the GC because he doesn't have the pace on the flat. I don't know how old he is but if he improves his time trialling then he could be one to watch in future.

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Message 35 - posted by Ed3456 (U1697826) , Jul 12, 2005

Rasmussen knows he is not a good enough TTist and probably wouldn't live with Lance all the way through the mountains in any case. But what will be very interesting, will be to see what happens if he tries to get in a breakaway to earn some KOM points. It could be that his KOM chances will actually be hindered by doing so well in the GC. As for anyone beating Lance... Only hope is to disrupt the DSC team and not let them control the race. Whether that means attack after attack, slowing them down, slashing their tyres or whatever. Like the rest of you, I don't see it.

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Message 36 - posted by MichaelBoogerd (U1701796) , Jul 13, 2005

There is still plenty of opportunity to launch something vs. Lance. But history has told us it won't happen.

Who is Rasmussen? Jeez guys - get some clues. He is 31... and was World MTB Champion at 25. His whole season has been built around his life-long dream to win a tour stage. Now he has realised he can win the polka dots too. A tour podium place isn't beyond him, BUT rather than attacking Lance as a GC Contender would - he just needs to remain in his wheels.. that way he'll continue to distance Ullrich & co. (a.k.a. time-trial specialists).

I don't think he needs to use breakaways in the patented Virenque model to win the KoM. Rather he can wait for the two mountain top finishes in the Pyranees and finish level with/slightly behind Lance. In an ideal Rabo-world they will send Kroon/Boogerd/Menchov (who have all messed up their own chances of a good GC) up the road today to collect the points or heavily mark out Moreau in case he attacks.

Today is built for a Vino attack IMO. He can attack before the Galibier summit and then ride in time trial mode to Briancon.
Also i think when he was 3-4 minutes behind yesterday he realised this too... and slowed up a bit to save something for a big push today.

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Message 37 - posted by bridgework (U1652282) , Jul 13, 2005

Today is built for a Vino attack IMO. He can attack before the Galibier summit and then ride in time trial mode to Briancon.
Also i think when he was 3-4 minutes behind yesterday he realised this too... and slowed up a bit to save something for a big push today.

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i can't imagine giving time to lance in hopes of taking more the next day. if you are correct, vino is either brilliant or insane.

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Message 38 - posted by MichaelBoogerd (U1701796) , Jul 13, 2005

You can't imagine that after losing 3 1/2 minutes to Armstrong on the first major summit finish... he'd realise its not possible to win the Tour being 6 minutes (and 16th) behind the race leader. If i was Vino i'd have held off a bit and saved myself for today.

Do you think i meant he would lose & suffer like a dog yesterday? To play psycho-games to win MORE time today.

No. Thats ridiculous. Vinokourov is not able to win the Tour now. He knew that when he fell behind as said above, and its logical therefore to lose a couple of extra minutes by not going full pelt... as it allowed him to escape the Discovery chain early this morning on the Madelaine.

Check the livereport. He already did.

Thank you.

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Message 39 - posted by Berks_Stallion (U1688869) , Jul 13, 2005

Vino is being reeled in now and will suffer like a dog again later as he will pay for this effort.

He was unlucky that Mancebo went in the group otherwise DSC might have let him go.

Valverde & Mancebo look like they are trying to get DSC to work harder and maybe attack Lance later but I think this will backfire as Mancebo looks to be suffering now

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Message 40 - posted by bridgework (U1652282) , Jul 13, 2005

mancebo always looks to be suffering :)

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