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Message 1 - posted by naspa (U1648370) , Jun 27, 2005

So who are people picking? (and why?)

Yellow - I think we might see a Riis type winner - someone who we don't expect to win. I don't think Ulrich has the mental nous to turnover Armstrong. Basso is too scared.

So a pick from left field Kloden. I can see Kloden getting a good start. Ulrich messing things up and them deciding to switch to Kloden.

KOM - Basso. Too scared of Armstrong to win so will go for KOM.

Green - McEwan. Far more likely to last to Paris than the other sprinters.
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Message 2 - posted by DrRichie (U1014167) , Jun 27, 2005

I think Ullrich may surprise everyone this year. he seemsto have his head together at last. I can't see Armstrong winning this year. It reminds me too much of Indurain's big finish, which Riis ended up winning.

Can't argue with your other choices though

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Message 3 - posted by momv (U1646916) , Jun 28, 2005

I agree with KOM and sprint choices.

I think it will be close fought between Armstrong and Ulrich but I think Armstrong will do it because he has a stronger team that is focused on singlemindedly supoorting him to win the yellow jersey again.

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Message 4 - posted by bridgework (U1652282) , Jun 28, 2005

if t-mobile can be a team, we will have a battle of the ages. even with a true Jan-led team it would be tough to topple armstrong. i give the slight nod to armstrong no matter; even if Lance and Jan are equals in fitness and team [big ifs i know,] armstrong will find a strategical advantage.

I hope the comment on BaSSO is off. i would love to see him contend for GC. I will float out Heras as a KOM contender. Iban Mayo is the wild card though. like Heras, he is not a strong time-trialer and does not have the team to contend for GC. He has been of the radar recently, but i think he will come with legs and win KOM. [though i did think he was a contender last year.]

no one mentions the white. i was disappointed to see thomas the brave lose the white in 2004. so much pain he endured to hold the yellow for so long. and in the end, he surrendered the white too. i hope we see another duel for white...

j.

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Message 5 - posted by naspa (U1648370) , Jun 28, 2005

I think Ullrich may surprise everyone this year. he seemsto have his head together at last. I can't see Armstrong winning this year. It reminds me too much of Indurain's big finish, which Riis ended up winning.

Can't argue with your other choices though

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The thing about Ullrich is that people have been saying this about him since 1998 - and every year he has failed to deliver.

In many ways he reminds me of Alex Zulle. Zulle would always come in looking good and then something - a fall or a bad day would take him out of contention.

My other concern about T-Mobile is that they have too many alternatives - so if Kloden and Vino have good days and Ullrich as a bad day - then who does the team protect?

I suspect that we might well (and I hope) we see a changing of the guard this year.

I'd love to see a 'proper' climber win it. The TT specialists have dominated it for too long.

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Message 6 - posted by Sam (U1650299) , Jun 28, 2005

Heart: Mayo
Head: Armstrong
Form: Ulrich
Wildcard: Basso

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Message 7 - posted by Vince Brutal (U1403707) , Jun 28, 2005

I hope Ullrich delivers the goods! Him and Armstrong in a real duel would be awesome to see!

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Message 8 - posted by vlasik34 (U1651637) , Jun 28, 2005

I think that Ulrich is more fit this year, which means nothing more than he'll be a bit closer second

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Message 9 - posted by jamesaardvark (U1666194) , Jun 28, 2005

Yellow - Armstrong, I wish T-mobile would go with their best climber Vino and give him all the support he needs. Vino supporting Ulli up a climb is just not the winning ticket, when they're competing aginst Salvodelli and Lance! Basso's taught himself how to time trial over the winter. He would've won the Giro but for illness.

Green - Tom Boonen offers more tactical options than Robbie although Robbie is the better sprinter. However the best sprinter doesn't always win the Green Jersey. A quote from Mr McEwen!

Polka dot - Mayo is the best climber. Last year he was awesome between February to June and this year has sacrificed the early season form to avoid the same mistake. This is definitely the hardest jersey to predict. Armstrong or Vino in the top 3 just because of what will occur on the final climbs of the day, the double points climbs.

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Message 10 - posted by pantanifan (U1668940) , Jun 29, 2005

Ullrich has been a top rider for years now but I think his time for beating Armstrong in the Tour has gone. If anyone is going to beat Armstrong I think it'll be someone like Vinokourov, or a younger rider who hasn't been struggling in his shadow for years...

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Message 11 - posted by Benzor (U1668986) , Jun 29, 2005

My money's on Vino, provided he doesn't have to play second fiddle in T-Mobile to Ullrich, or even third to Kloden.

Fancy Floyd Landis to do well too.

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Message 12 - posted by stakke (U1179296) , Jun 29, 2005

No worries Benzor: Vino won't have to play third fiddle to Kloden. Team boss Godefroot confirmed that yesterday, though Ullrich still remains their first option. An obvious choice, as Kloden has been underperforming all season and can't cope with any form of pressure whatsoever.

But referring to the original question: no doubt in my mind Armstrong will win it. The only thing that bothers me: has he really suffered no damage when he fell during training a few days ago, or is he just pretending?

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Message 13 - posted by bikemike (U1672482) , Jun 30, 2005

Yes, I agree Ulrich will suprise everyone, 'by coming third'!

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Message 14 - posted by Bensid46 (U1673025) , Jun 30, 2005

Many pundits are suggesting that Lance will climb off his bike at some stage and not finish.

Jan would love to beat Lance, it won't be the same for him to win after Lance has retired. However, given the last 6 years, I don't believe Jan really belives he can beat Lance.

Shame Cunego is out - he may have attacked Lance in the mountains.

Remind me, who was the rider that challenged Lance in 2003 only to crash and break his hip on a descent - an incident that forced Lance to ride across a field before re-joining the race.

If Lance doesn't step off, he'll win. Psychologically he has beaten all the other contenders before they start. The next generation will take over from next year. Jan is a busted flush.

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Message 15 - posted by Chilean_Llama (U1647784) , Jun 30, 2005



Remind me, who was the rider that challenged Lance in 2003 only to crash and break his hip on a descent - an incident that forced Lance to ride across a field before re-joining the race.

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Beloki, he wasn't fit enough last year, but he's back again this year. Though there are still question marks over his fitness and form.

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Message 16 - posted by daviespatrick (U1665057) , Jul 1, 2005

Vino. He's the man. In 2003 he was simply awesome. I hope that T-Mobile give him a crack. I'm not sure that Armstrong, awesome as he is, can handle two-pronged, synchronised Ullrich/Vino attack.

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Message 17 - posted by Morfans (U1646581) , Jul 1, 2005

Yellow- Armstrong- The machine will want to go out with a win and I see no one who can seriously threaten. Ullrich still doesn;t look right and when taking on experience like LA he's the only one in the picture.

KOM- Tough- Basso is possible but I actually think we may see an anomoly of modern day cycling and see Armstrong take the polk adot ad yellow jerseys.

Green- Rob McEwan, been there done tha- iy'll be tougher but he'll pull it off.

White- Probably Voeckler- Kluden is a strong bet to win it again though

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Message 18 - posted by naspa (U1648370) , Jul 2, 2005

Ullrich put himself through the back end of a tour car yesterday. There is something so familar about this. Every year it is the same and every year something goes wrong. Sometimes it is his fault sometimes not.

Now, I'm writing this before Ullrich starts. Vino has had a good TT, now the question is if Ullrich falters at what point do they switch to Vino?

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Message 19 - posted by DrRichie (U1014167) , Jul 3, 2005

I may end up regretting my earlier comment about Ullrich, and I can't believe hw wasn't much closer to teh top two in the TT. Great ride from Vino, but LA looks streets ahead of his challengers again this year

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Message 20 - posted by Morfans (U1646581) , Jul 3, 2005

Honestly I think it may be all over for Ullrich- the mental horror of seeing Armstrong pass him just 15km into the race- not so much the loss of a minute but the effect that will have on him.

Also ominous is the overall positions of the Discovery team- they seem to be in form which suggests they will be every bit as powerful in their support of Armstrong as ever.

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