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Schumacher's tainted legacy

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Message 1 - posted by Andrew Benson (U1647787) , Sep 10, 2006

Is Schumacher's place in Formula One history diminished by his dubious ethics?

Read our article and let us know what you think

news.bbc.co.uk/sport...
       

Message 2 - posted by rlenis (U2038225) , Sep 10, 2006

Great article Andrew.. I share your thoughts. you hit the nail in the head. I'll always commented that I cannot take the talent away from Michael but there is more to that and for those unethical moments in his career I cannot categorize him as one of the greats.

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Message 3 - posted by ppparkinson9 (U1666034) , Sep 10, 2006

I agree with much of what you have to say. Thats always been my problem with Schumacher, a wonderful talent who takes you breath away for both the right and the wrong reasons.

Didn't you used to work for Autosport?

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Message 4 - posted by jamesphoward (U2878693) , Sep 10, 2006

A nice article, but come on, where are the specifics? I'm not a big follower of F1, and after that 2 page acticle on Schumahcer's questionable 'ethics' I still don't know how he beat Damon Hill to the title, or what driving offenses he committed....A little more fact and a little less contemplation for us F1 newbies please!

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Message 5 - posted by the_musicmunkey (U2538741) , Sep 10, 2006

The article really got to the nub of the matter. I always thought how sad it is to see so much talent in one with such questionable ethics. I feel because of this he is one of the most disappointing drivers to compete in F1.

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Message 6 - posted by pj (U2060573) , Sep 11, 2006

I agree, half a story really. What were these misdemeanors?

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Message 7 - posted by britbird (U2963116) , Sep 11, 2006

music monkey you are so right. Whilst he is undoubtedly a brilliant driver he is nevertheless a driver of VERY questionable ethics. This weeken was the final straw. Good riddance to him I now say!!

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Message 8 - posted by FriarJnr (U4735221) , Sep 11, 2006

I personally feel that Schumacher has damaged the FIAs image and reputation. I do agree that he is a brilliant driver but over the years I got tired of with seeing his antics on the track go unpunished to the point where I did think that the relationship between the FIA and Schumacher/Ferrari was questionable. Hopefully now that hes gone we can enjoy F1 more with the fair and honest drivers that remain.

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Message 9 - posted by thinkingnews (U5591966) , Sep 11, 2006

I have never heard such a load of Sanctimonious rubbish. Schumacher is far from perfect in his ethics - no question. However those with long enough memories will remember that despite nostalgia Senna was no saint. In his prime there were plenty of articles about his dangerous driving and how he felt god would protect him. He also certainly believed he was always right. Also the kind of drivinf tactics that drivers of the so called golden age got up to would scare modern drivers off the track.

So is schumacher one of the greats - of course he is. Will history remember him absolutley. The fact is it is hes few - and realistically in almost 250 GPs they were very few - dubious actions will soon be forgotten.

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Message 10 - posted by Adam_Thomson (U2857750) , Sep 11, 2006

Schumacher will ONLY be remembered for his doubtful ethics and sportsmanship. I cannot see how he has enhanced motor racing; and certainly he is not worthy to be put among the greats of F1 drivers. He cheated in much the same way as those who use drugs to win have done, and should be condemned in the same way. I will be glad to see the back of him. He was nothing more than a cheat.

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Message 11, Sep 11, 2006

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Message 12 - posted by GAWAPete23 (U5591984) , Sep 11, 2006

I think this essay would get a C+ at GCSE.

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Message 13 - posted by Super-Secret (U5467014) , Sep 11, 2006

"Too often - particularly so for one of his talent - Schumacher has relied on the unfair advantage to win, either created by himself with controversial manoeuvres on the track or in various means by his backers off it. "

And your point is what? The bbc always have to bring people down infact the whole media do. You done the same thing with Sean Long (st helens rugby league) straight after he won the challenge cup man of steel again.

Fair enough MS might have done some tricky unethical Manoeuvres but so what? Win at all costs, the slower cars should be able to block the faster cars and vice versa thats racing in my opinion not foul play otherwise the slower cars cant EVER win.

Lay off Schumacher let him have his final moments in F1 and recognise him for what he is, not what he isnt.

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Message 14 - posted by (U3275941) , Sep 11, 2006

The saddest thing about Schumachers 'gamesmanship' is that he didn't need to do it. He was that good.

Without it he would, without question, be the greatest F1 driver, ever. His obsession with winning at all costs and by any means has seriously diminished that standing.

He will always carry shades of Terry Thomas' villain from "Monte Carlo or Bust" about him.

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Message 15 - posted by yuffyuff (U3500689) , Sep 11, 2006

Martin Brundle's greatest racing driver of all time is Senna, no more needs to be said, history and records swill say, until someones beats them, that MS IS the greatest driver of all time

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Message 16 - posted by Bostin5 (U2392769) , Sep 11, 2006

Schumacher,like many before him has done some questionable things. The Hill incident in '94, and the one in '97 with that Canadian bloke (I forget his name)stand out. Incidents that the British press drag up at every opportunity.

Yes he has flaws, don't we all, but this guy has bucket loads of talent, and given the right equipment, and many-times even the wrong equipment, he delivers the goods. I doubt that I will see a driver take Schumachers records in my lifetime, I'm 40 this year, and maybe nobody ever will.

When Senna died I thought F1 was finished, Michael proved me wrong. Now Michael is going it won't be over either.

My tip for the top, after Monza, has to be Kubica...

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Message 17 - posted by (U3275941) , Sep 11, 2006

What were these misdemeanors?
You would need an entire website to list them all. Mostly they appear to revolve around getting the stuards 'onside'. Other drivers are penalised for misdemeanors while Shumacher gets away with similar himself.

Alonso's punishment this weekend being a prime example.

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Message 18 - posted by V16BRM (U1644668) , Sep 11, 2006

His obsession with winning at all costs and by any means has seriously diminished that standing.

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Maybe I am just being totally naive but surely one of the main attributes of a Champion is being ruthless. After all "Gentleman" Stirling Moss is the best world champion we never had.

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Message 19 - posted by corradostorm (U5592125) , Sep 11, 2006

Formula 1 is currently in a era of pit stop tactics winning races where all the driver has to do is one or two qualifying laps in a race, when told to do so, to get the job done. The skill of a driver is no longer what wins a race. Schumacher's long list of records is nothing to be proud of or to be reveired. It wasn't him, it was his team (helped along by the FIA all the way).

He will never be a true champion. Not in my eyes and not in the eyes of many more people who haven't been blinded by the propaganda.

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