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Great performance by the master today!!!

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Message 1 - posted by DCoulthard19 (U1652688) , Jul 16, 2006

He wiped smiles off renault's faces today and silenced the doubters who though that he was getting slower and ready to retire so good on him I say and the championship looks more exciting as we head to more exciting circuits (with the exception of hungary of course).

Good job by alonso also to limit the damage though.
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Message 2 - posted by forevered (U1917121) , Jul 16, 2006

I think that MS always does a good job on the track. I think that finally he has what he ( and us) has been waiting for about 1 and half year: GOOD TIRES.
Let's hope that we will be enjoing this consistency and superiority for the rest of the champioship.

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Message 3 - posted by Scott (U184203) , Jul 16, 2006

The thing is, that it is not up to Schumacher to win the championship now. Even if he wins every remaining race, it is up to Alonso to beat his team mate, (something that he showed he can do today). Schumacher can drive a virtuoso drive to every remaining race win, and still lose the championship.

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Message 4 - posted by gujals (U1826524) , Jul 16, 2006

it was not FA who beat FM .. it was the reno team .. since ferrari didnt invlove this in to their calculation they lost out .. but rest assured .. Ross and jean are not slow learners

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Message 5 - posted by Utd_Arab_Em-a-right (U2977771) , Jul 16, 2006

If he wins every remaining race, he will be odds on to win the championship.

The chances of Alonso finishing second each time are remote. Especially with Massa improving.

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Message 6 - posted by Jyvaskyla (BEng) (U3841658) , Jul 16, 2006

Yup, which is why with all this arm waving, lock-ups, Brundles 'ragged' talk, and more possible outside pressure of worming out of contracts - mistakes could just happen!

Good work from Renault today to engineer that 2nd place

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Message 7 - posted by Schumi the legend (U1737234) , Jul 16, 2006

Even if Schumi doesn't wind the championship, I hope he wins more races that Alonso and this will show how rediculous the point system is, as well as showing who is the real master.

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Message 8 - posted by Curse you James Allen! (U1644761) , Jul 16, 2006

Great drive be schui, but even better I thought, by FA. Had a slightly weaker car all weekend, but still managed to get second and only see his lead lessen by 2 points.

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Message 9 - posted by Scott (U184203) , Jul 16, 2006

it was not FA who beat FM .. it was the reno team .. since ferrari didnt invlove this in to their calculation they lost out .. but rest assured .. Ross and jean are not slow learners

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Hmm, Massa was on exactly the same strategy as his team mate, who won, in exactly the same car. Alonso was on the same strategy as his team mate, who came 6th, in exactly the same car, and came 2nd. It is pretty clear that Alonso wiped the floor with Massa, despite having a slower car. Massa will never be able to compete with Alonso, in the same way as Fisichella will never be able to compete with Schumacher.

Massa is, like Fisichella, nothing more than a journeyman.

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Message 10 - posted by Dashed (U3838207) , Jul 16, 2006

He wiped smiles off renault's faces today

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Yes he did. The Ferrari team did. And Bridgestone.

It was a significant victory. I don't know if it will be enough to win the WDC, but it sure makes the season interesting.

Good drives by MS and Alonso, I thought.

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Message 11 - posted by T-MAC (U1694926) , Jul 16, 2006

Massa wasn't on exactly the same strategy as his teammate. Schumacher's second last stint was much longer than Massa's and he significantly extended the gap after Alonso made his second stop.

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Message 12 - posted by Dashed (U3838207) , Jul 16, 2006

There you go again Schead. Always start with a "Hmmm" or an "Err". I guess you are thinking out loud, sort of.

Having said that, I agree with you, that Massa and Fisi are - well not so much journeymen. They can both be quick. Just not as quick and not lap after lap.

I thought that both Michael and Alonso drove brilliantly today.

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Message 13 - posted by Mighty_M_Schumacher (U3020019) , Jul 16, 2006

An inspiring drive by the world’s number one. Give him good boots, he’ll do the rest. Good work by Bridgestone. Those who keep questioning his sublime skills about his position as the best should look at what he did to-day. Or more importantly, what he can do when Bridgestone get it right.

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Message 14 - posted by Scott (U184203) , Jul 16, 2006

There you go again Schead. Always start with a "Hmmm" or an "Err". I guess you are thinking out loud, sort of.

Having said that, I agree with you, that Massa and Fisi are - well not so much journeymen. They can both be quick. Just not as quick and not lap after lap.

I thought that both Michael and Alonso drove brilliantly today.

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Hmmm, err, I think that Fisi and Massa can be quick every now and then, as can every other F1 driver, (apart from Ide). They are still journeymen in F1 terms.

There are many other drivers that are driving for far lesser teams that would do a far, far better job. For instance, Liuzzi would have much better results than either Fisi or Massa if he drove a Renault or Ferrari. TBH, the only team's that don't have a clear number 1, (ie. one that is much better than his team mate), are BMW and Midland.

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Message 15 - posted by yuffyuff (U3500689) , Jul 16, 2006

MS was quite a bit ahead of FA today, but FA was not as far ahead of KR, FM, RS and JT, if any of those get involved it might cut FA's lead a bit more, but even as a MS fan 17pts is a good lead at this stage but it isn't impossible, if bridgestone get it right for one circuit they could take a few points of the michelin teams although the same thing could happen in reverse.

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Message 16 - posted by actuaria (U2244060) , Jul 16, 2006

Hmm, Massa was on exactly the same strategy as his team mate, who won, in exactly the same car.

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Massa's job wasn't to win, as anyone who saw the race could see doh

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Message 17 - posted by Hip Flexor (U3526491) , Jul 16, 2006

An inspiring drive by the world’s number one. Give him good boots, he’ll do the rest. Good work by Bridgestone. Those who keep questioning his sublime skills about his position as the best should look at what he did to-day. Or more importantly, what he can do when Bridgestone get it right.

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But it's what you can do when things are going wrong that determines your greatness. Things did not go right for Alonso today and he still finished 2nd. Things did not go right for Schumacher in Australia and he chucks the car down the road.

Alonso should win, as he deserves to win, the championship as he simply doesn't make mistakes under pressure, something that can't be said about Michael Schumacher any more.

Monaco anyone?

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Message 18 - posted by Spa2005 (U4454323) , Jul 16, 2006

I am happy with alonso's performance today, because he managed to arrive in front of massa with a worse car, I think he and michael were the two stars of the race. If you see the fastest laps, felipe's best lap was 6 tenths faster than alonso's best and that's much even considering that massa had a 3 stop strategy, but alonso's consistency allowed him to get past massa.
I don't think that it's fair to say that alonso finished second only due to the team strategy, he also drove a very solid race. Or did michael win only because of the tyre advantage? On the other hand, I have to agree with you about michael's performance, in the spanish TV said that since San Marino they both have achieved the same points, 68.

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Message 19 - posted by leftfootbraking (U4906995) , Jul 16, 2006

Ferrari missed out today why? By backing Massa into Alonso when clearly the ferrari was the class of the field. This compromised the possiblity of a red 1-2 because Alonso/Renault had a superior strategy in only stopping twice. Brawn out foxed again, with Renaults new aero and engine package coming online the remainder of the championship looks fantastic.

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Message 20 - posted by Scott (U184203) , Jul 16, 2006


Massa's job wasn't to win, as anyone who saw the race could see doh

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Indeed, but Massa's job was to be ahead of Alonso, which is sort of like expecting Henman to beat Federer at Wimbledon.

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