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Dennis confident over F1 future

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Message 1 - posted by Jonathan D - Host (U1630997) , Mar 9, 2006

Afternoon all. This piece has just gone up on the BBC Sport website. news.bbc.co.uk/sport...

Is RD right? And what are your thoughts about the wider issue right now?
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Message 2 - posted by Me (U1650116) , Mar 9, 2006

They've got no choice, if they choose the wrong side and it flops, that's game over. Do they really think the other series would let them back in?

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Message 3 - posted by Galahad (U1645165) , Mar 9, 2006

I think Ron is right, in as far as, it is better to work together and compromise than risk splitting F1, which would be incredibly damaging.

Nonetheless I am very concerned about some of the proposals being bandied about by Mosley for F1 in 2008, and hopefully the influence of the manufacturers can be used to mitigate this. F1 has reached it's pre-eminent position by being the most advanced racing on earth, and for me that status needs to be preserved.

Mosley's language lately has been nothing less than inflammatory, and if he really doesn't care whether the manufacturers stay or not then the dispute could drag on much longer.

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Message 4 - posted by checkered (U1982675) , Mar 9, 2006

I agree with GordonMurray on this one.

Perhaps I'd have used slightly more forceful terms than "mitigate" on the part of the approach that should be taken to some Mosley proposals.

But all in all, without going to the details, I hope Ron is right.

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Message 5 - posted by safcfan89 (U1636318) , Mar 9, 2006

Regardless of what anyone else thinks, I reckon F1 needs the manufacturers. If they all go, you would get a Ferrari procession every year. it's clear that most don't want that.

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Message 6 - posted by holzlondon (U1636399) , Mar 9, 2006

what has to be realised is that if the manufacturers are taken out of the equation of F1, then they will either set up a new series (as they have threatened) or concentrate their efforts in some other racing series.

F1 has become the massive spectacle it is thanks to all the money flowing into it from the manufacturers. If they are forced out of it, they will take their money elsewhere. F1 will suffer if they are forced to pull out.

A balance has to be found, and I think RD is quite spot-on in his comments, and that's coming from someone who can't stand Ron Dennis.

I agree that some of the stuff Max has been saying is WAY out there, and he will have to make some kind of compromises, as will the manufacturers. They can't both have their way 100%.

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Message 7 - posted by madindehead (U1117737) , Mar 9, 2006

I think Ron is right, in as far as, it is better to work together and compromise than risk splitting F1, which would be incredibly damaging.

Nonetheless I am very concerned about some of the proposals being bandied about by Mosley for F1 in 2008, and hopefully the influence of the manufacturers can be used to mitigate this. F1 has reached it's pre-eminent position by being the most advanced racing on earth, and for me that status needs to be preserved.

Mosley's language lately has been nothing less than inflammatory, and if he really doesn't care whether the manufacturers stay or not then the dispute could drag on much longer.

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well said sir.

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Message 8 - posted by madindehead (U1117737) , Mar 9, 2006

what has to be realised is that if the manufacturers are taken out of the equation of F1, then they will either set up a new series (as they have threatened) or concentrate their efforts in some other racing series.

F1 has become the massive spectacle it is thanks to all the money flowing into it from the manufacturers. If they are forced out of it, they will take their money elsewhere. F1 will suffer if they are forced to pull out.

A balance has to be found, and I think RD is quite spot-on in his comments, and that's coming from someone who can't stand Ron Dennis.

I agree that some of the stuff Max has been saying is WAY out there, and he will have to make some kind of compromises, as will the manufacturers. They can't both have their way 100%.

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i also agree with you

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Message 9 - posted by hackerjack (U1429960) , Mar 9, 2006

They will agre, F1 will compromise just enough.

Let's face it, F1 needs the manufacturers more than they need F1. A series split would see two new championships.

F1:
- Severe restrictions on technical innovations and expenditure.
- Teams - Ferrari, Red Bull, Midland, Williams ?
- New Teams - Probably from GP2
- Budgets - Generally much smaller
- Slower cars

The Mew Manufactures Series:
- Little restrictions.
- Faster cars
- Teams: Mercedes/McLaren, BMW, Honda, Toyota, Renault ?
- New Teams - Likely a B team for each.
- Budgets - Much higher.

Sponsors would likely go 50/50 with their current teams, maybe just favouring the history of F1.

TV coverage for both would be forthcoming.

Tracks would welcome both series, especially those that Bernie has annoyed over previous years.

Engineers & designers would 90% go for the new series where their hands are not so tied and wages are higher.

Drivers will likely choose the new series for speed/wages.

Fans, well outside of the Ferrari posse and a few die-hard Williams fans most would either turn to the new series or watch both.

I'm sorry but I don't see how F1 could survive a split like this, they need the teams too much.

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Message 10 - posted by PaulMJohnson (U2488396) , Mar 9, 2006

Sports that split in two tend to end up with one stronger and one a joke (the joke version is a good bet for BBC TV coverage!)

Good points made all round in this thread and I hope they can sort things out. I agree that F1 needs to be at the leading edge of technology, but some of what has been going on was ridiculous. Magnesium alloys in the engine? That is just a massive waste of money, of no practical value and really didn't add to the enjoyment. It is possible to control costs without stopping innovation.

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Message 11 - posted by lordmonty1 (U1763960) , Mar 9, 2006

I hope for the sake of the sport they're right. It's an interesting point.

Personally I think that leagues/formulas that split are asking for trouble. Look at what happened in the early days of rugby until union got it together to pay people? Darts is a great example, the league they show on Sky with Phil Taylor is head and shoulders above the one Barney has just defected from. I play darts better than some of the people in that league!

F1 should stay as it is, keep the best racing against each other. Otherwise it is A1 isn't it?

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