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Andy Murray - sole survivor

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Message 101 - posted by thefreedesign (U1664582) , Aug 31, 2005

No I'm not totally clueless. Just realistic. Elena Baltacha still has a lot of potential. The health problems haven't helped. But neither has she helped herself. Which is more reason why to say that her coach has no right to speak about a player he doesn't know is pretty silly.
Are you totally clueless? Baltacha has chronic liver disease and as such can't play competitively for any serious period of time which obviously isn't conducive to having a succesful career.

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Message 102 - posted by Corand007 (U1950941) , Aug 31, 2005

Andy Murray is the future of British tennis!!! He is twice the player Tim Henman ever was and he is only 18 years old. Reason 1 = Henman serves like a pussy (90mph 2nd serves) WEAK!!!! Reason 2 = Serve and Volley (So 20th century)! Reason 3 = He is so skinny (NO POWER)! Reason 4 = Can't Handle The Pressure (How Many Semi-Finals?), always comes up short, Reason 5 = Can't play off the baseline (Federer, Nadal, Hewitt) Guess What? THEY ALL PLAY OFF THE BASELINE AND THEY WIN TOURNAMENTS!!! This list could continue but the proof is there! Murray can say whatever he likes to the press because they can't even compare him to Henman! Murray has a game which is capable of winning a grand slam and he is only 18 years old! Truelly a great talent for the future!

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Message 103 - posted by thefreedesign (U1664582) , Aug 31, 2005

I really don't want to start a Murray-Vs-Henman war, as I'm not a fan of either and am not that bothered. However I thought that I should point out:

1) Murray's average 2nd serve yesterday was 88MPH. Oops.
2) Murray is also pretty skinny last time I checked. Power has more to do with timing of the ball strike than 'pussyness' or otherwise.
3) Tim Henman is a better baseliner than Murray is a volleyer.

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Message 104 - posted by admire_murray (U1661162) , Aug 31, 2005

That would probably be the truth for a lot of top players, not only Murray.
3) Tim Henman is a better baseliner than Murray is a volleyer.

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Message 105 - posted by thefreedesign (U1664582) , Aug 31, 2005

Just keep proving my points. So what does it matter that Nadal and Hewitt play from the back and are successful? So does Guillermo Coria. Henman plays from the front court and has been - in context - fairly successful. It basically illustrates the fluff that passes for comment in some posters minds.

I'm not having a go at Murray, more (some of) the blind fools he seems to have adopted as fans.

That would probably be the truth for a lot of top players, not only Murray.

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Message 106 - posted by albertamike (U1668683) , Aug 31, 2005

Andy Murray will win some and he will lose some.He will show maturity and he will show immaturity.He will excite and he will frustrate.He is 18 and his tennis ability has thrust him onto the big stage.Enjoy the ride everyone

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Message 107 - posted by xanthrus (U1675460) , Aug 31, 2005

I believe (not think) that Mr Murray is a natural. Something that Tim never was. He is Scottish, which helps, in as much he might just have a grudge or two. Strange to say, I'm Scots and if I'm playing tennis I always play better when I'm angry. Playing against my son is a blast coz he's just like me! All I would say is wait and see, cheer when he wins, support him when he doesn't - after all he's just a young Scots guy trying his best in a game that he loves.

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Message 108 - posted by heavenlyangeluk1 (U1643780) , Aug 31, 2005

Yet again, the youngster is the only Brit left in a Grand Slam. How do you rate his first-round five-set victory over Pavel at the US Open? He's a gutsy player, no doubt...

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I thought he played brilliant last night and of course silenced his doubters .... good one Andy <biggrin> Keep it up Andy <ok>

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Message 109 - posted by flashpan (U1717895) , Aug 31, 2005

No I'm not totally clueless. Just realistic. Elena Baltacha still has a lot of potential. The health problems haven't helped. But neither has she helped herself. Which is more reason why to say that her coach has no right to speak about a player he doesn't know is pretty silly.
Are you totally clueless? Baltacha has chronic liver disease and as such can't play competitively for any serious period of time which obviously isn't conducive to having a succesful career.


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Well if Balatacha has chronic liver probelms she shouldnt be playing!! she should consider retirement!!
What's the use of entering the US open and losing in the qualifying 6-0, 6-1, or losing in the first round of wimbeldon for the umpteenth time!

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Message 110 - posted by WimbledonAce (U1760527) , Aug 31, 2005

Andy Murray is the future of British tennis!!! He is twice the player Tim Henman ever was and he is only 18 years old. Reason 1 = Henman serves like a pussy (90mph 2nd serves) WEAK!!!! Reason 2 = Serve and Volley (So 20th century)! Reason 3 = He is so skinny (NO POWER)! Reason 4 = Can't Handle The Pressure (How Many Semi-Finals?), always comes up short, Reason 5 = Can't play off the baseline (Federer, Nadal, Hewitt) Guess What? THEY ALL PLAY OFF THE BASELINE AND THEY WIN TOURNAMENTS!!! This list could continue but the proof is there! Murray can say whatever he likes to the press because they can't even compare him to Henman! Murray has a game which is capable of winning a grand slam and he is only 18 years old! Truelly a great talent for the future!

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Why do you have to slag off Tim Henman to prove that Andy is any good? Andy is his own person, he is nothing like Tim and he can stand on his own merit without you slating other players!!

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Message 111 - posted by heavenlyangeluk1 (U1643780) , Aug 31, 2005

Andy Murray is the future of British tennis!!! He is twice the player Tim Henman ever was and he is only 18 years old. Reason 1 = Henman serves like a pussy (90mph 2nd serves) WEAK!!!! Reason 2 = Serve and Volley (So 20th century)! Reason 3 = He is so skinny (NO POWER)! Reason 4 = Can't Handle The Pressure (How Many Semi-Finals?), always comes up short, Reason 5 = Can't play off the baseline (Federer, Nadal, Hewitt) Guess What? THEY ALL PLAY OFF THE BASELINE AND THEY WIN TOURNAMENTS!!! This list could continue but the proof is there! Murray can say whatever he likes to the press because they can't even compare him to Henman! Murray has a game which is capable of winning a grand slam and he is only 18 years old! Truelly a great talent for the future!

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Message 112 - posted by U1650505 (U1650505) , Aug 31, 2005

No wrong Helloooo!!!
The youngest player LEFT in the U.S Open.
Ar least get your facts right hopeless. <laugh>
Yeah me too. He was the youngest player to play USO I hope he goes on to greater things.Great luck mate!
i don't care whether he is scottish, welsh, irish, brazilian whatever as long as he is flying the british flag when the davis cup comes around i will support him

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Message 113 - posted by WimbledonAce (U1760527) , Aug 31, 2005

God, some people are so dense!

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Message 114 - posted by david16b (U1646801) , Aug 31, 2005

Let's conclude by saying thank goodness Murray has come through (no thanks to the LTA though) and by the looks of it he will emulate or better Henman, without making too many predictions of how many slams he will win, if at all. Other than the non-LTA developed Murray, there's nobody coming through the LTA system right now who even remotely look like getting through to the 2 week showpiece of a grand slam event, other than through a Wimbledon wildcard nor even looking remotely getting inside the world's 200. In fact Murray had no assistance at all from the joke LTA system, and got all his coaching in Spain. That is a disgrace from the LTA. Henman needed an extreme (far too much in fact) amount of outside assistance away from the LTA to help him do as marvellously get as far as he did during his career.

Like Henman before it would be wrong to predict that Murray will Wimbledon, the Australian Open, the French and US Open's because top level ATP tennis, just like PGA Tiru golf tennis is far too cometitive to make too many overly positive predictions. Like Henman, Murray will have to face 80 or 90 top quality tennis players (only 4 per year can potentially win a slam each year show as how tough it is to be a slam winner, as it's always been and will remain so forever), and he will most lilely be among the 95% of players who at best can only win a solitary slam at most or none at all. And indeed relying on not having to beat any seeded players players on the way to the semi-finals, and not having having to beat any of the top 3 or 4 players in the semi or final to achieve it, but no shame in that. Murray after all will be playing the same depth of quality that Henman has had throughout his career after all. But I wish Murray the very very best of luck as he surely will go a long way up the rankings based on his early impressive ATP tour performances, whether or not he wins a slam.

The vast majority of us will be very proud of Murray if he wins a slam as we would have of Henman, and I'll be prouder as he is Scottish. Those who use any possible slam success for Murray's achievements as more excuse to lamabast Henman and slag him off even though he will already have hung up his rackets will be the sick ones. The vast majority of us will rightly say that Murray has taken thng's a step or 2 further than Henman fine career achievement. Those who say Henman is "one crap player" or "He's never done anything" with 6 grand slam semi-finals on 3 different surfaces, the vast majority of his career in the top 10 plus 11 career singles titles including that prestigeous Paris Masters title don't know much about tennis other than the from the second Queens starts until the conclusion if the presentation ceremony of the Wimbledon men's singles final. I can think of all the "Remarkable Achievement" congratulation cards written and posted off by some people down the years before Henman's career ever started, during it and very very soon to be (by the loks of it) after his career has ended for many other just as talented players as Henman around the world who have never/never will win a slam, and made only one or 2 slam quarters and the solitary slam semi-final (perhaps the only time they have looked like getting far in a slam event) all career, and not even played the creme-de-la creme at all. Yet Hemman losing to the best of the best such as Sampras (twice), Ivanisevich, Federer, Hewitt and Coria at the semi-finals he only ever got the despicable treatment of being tied to a seat in a booth and getting gunge chucked down him, or custard pie thrown at him by the same people.

One thing I hope for is that Murray doesn't receive the same gutter press and abuse by the knockers on here who are clearly in the minority, that Henman has had to put up with. Perhaps we will see a few remarkable achievement congratulations cards written to and posted off to Murray if he makes 2 or 3 slam semi-finals even if he doesn't quite win one, that Henman sadly never received.

I;m not going to get involved in this Murray- Henman, slagging off who they hate row. It's just childish nonsense. Let's appreciate that since the middle 1990's of these 2 terrific tennis players who were born on these shores. One of them who has had 10 fantastic years who's career is sadly coming to the end, and the other who looks like doing fantatically well in the next 8 to 10 years ahead. Just a shame Murray and Henman did not come through together at the same time. Where would British tennis be without them?

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Message 115 - posted by Simple name change QPR 12 (U1633419) , Sep 1, 2005

That is the most sensible message on this MB. I don't agree with you entirely; no-one would describe Ivanisevic as among the best of the best (this is and always will be the one true millstone around Tim Henman's neck).

Nevertheless, your post was a breath of fresh air after so much nonsense comparing the five minutes of Andy Murray's career (four grand slam matches played!) with that of Tim Henman. Proclaiming Murray as "twice the player Henman ever was" is laughable.

I should make it clear that I'm not a diehard Henman defender. I've been disappointed and exasperated at his failure even to get to a GS final, but that doesn't make him a "loser", "journeyman" nor any of the other derogatory epithets which have come from here.

I hope that Andy Murray can make the breakthrough which has eluded Tim Henman, but he can't yet be twice the player Tim ever was, until he's at least played, say, 12 slam semis, or reached a couple of slam finals.

Let's conclude by saying thank goodness Murray has come through (no thanks to the LTA though) and by the looks of it he will emulate or better Henman, without making too many predictions of how many slams he will win, if at all. Other than the non-LTA developed Murray, there's nobody coming through the LTA system right now who even remotely look like getting through to the 2 week showpiece of a grand slam event, other than through a Wimbledon wildcard nor even looking remotely getting inside the world's 200. In fact Murray had no assistance at all from the joke LTA system, and got all his coaching in Spain. That is a disgrace from the LTA. Henman needed an extreme (far too much in fact) amount of outside assistance away from the LTA to help him do as marvellously get as far as he did during his career.

Like Henman before it would be wrong to predict that Murray will Wimbledon, the Australian Open, the French and US Open's because top level ATP tennis, just like PGA Tiru golf tennis is far too cometitive to make too many overly positive predictions. Like Henman, Murray will have to face 80 or 90 top quality tennis players (only 4 per year can potentially win a slam each year show as how tough it is to be a slam winner, as it's always been and will remain so forever), and he will most lilely be among the 95% of players who at best can only win a solitary slam at most or none at all. And indeed relying on not having to beat any seeded players players on the way to the semi-finals, and not having having to beat any of the top 3 or 4 players in the semi or final to achieve it, but no shame in that. Murray after all will be playing the same depth of quality that Henman has had throughout his career after all. But I wish Murray the very very best of luck as he surely will go a long way up the rankings based on his early impressive ATP tour performances, whether or not he wins a slam.

The vast majority of us will be very proud of Murray if he wins a slam as we would have of Henman, and I'll be prouder as he is Scottish. Those who use any possible slam success for Murray's achievements as more excuse to lamabast Henman and slag him off even though he will already have hung up his rackets will be the sick ones. The vast majority of us will rightly say that Murray has taken thng's a step or 2 further than Henman fine career achievement. Those who say Henman is "one crap player" or "He's never done anything" with 6 grand slam semi-finals on 3 different surfaces, the vast majority of his career in the top 10 plus 11 career singles titles including that prestigeous Paris Masters title don't know much about tennis other than the from the second Queens starts until the conclusion if the presentation ceremony of the Wimbledon men's singles final. I can think of all the "Remarkable Achievement" congratulation cards written and posted off by some people down the years before Henman's career ever started, during it and very very soon to be (by the loks of it) after his career has ended for many other just as talented players as Henman around the world who have never/never will win a slam, and made only one or 2 slam quarters and the solitary slam semi-final (perhaps the only time they have looked like getting far in a slam event) all career, and not even played the creme-de-la creme at all. Yet Hemman losing to the best of the best such as Sampras (twice), Ivanisevich, Federer, Hewitt and Coria at the semi-finals he only ever got the despicable treatment of being tied to a seat in a booth and getting gunge chucked down him, or custard pie thrown at him by the same people.

One thing I hope for is that Murray doesn't receive the same gutter press and abuse by the knockers on here who are clearly in the minority, that Henman has had to put up with. Perhaps we will see a few remarkable achievement congratulations cards written to and posted off to Murray if he makes 2 or 3 slam semi-finals even if he doesn't quite win one, that Henman sadly never received.

I;m not going to get involved in this Murray- Henman, slagging off who they hate row. It's just childish nonsense. Let's appreciate that since the middle 1990's of these 2 terrific tennis players who were born on these shores. One of them who has had 10 fantastic years who's career is sadly coming to the end, and the other who looks like doing fantatically well in the next 8 to 10 years ahead. Just a shame Murray and Henman did not come through together at the same time. Where would British tennis be without them?

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Message 116 - posted by U1714784 (U1714784) , Sep 1, 2005

Andy Murray is the future of British tennis!!! He is twice the player Tim Henman ever was and he is only 18 years old. Reason 1 = Henman serves like a pussy (90mph 2nd serves) WEAK!!!! Reason 2 = Serve and Volley (So 20th century)! Reason 3 = He is so skinny (NO POWER)! Reason 4 = Can't Handle The Pressure (How Many Semi-Finals?), always comes up short, Reason 5 = Can't play off the baseline (Federer, Nadal, Hewitt) Guess What? THEY ALL PLAY OFF THE BASELINE AND THEY WIN TOURNAMENTS!!! This list could continue but the proof is there! Murray can say whatever he likes to the press because they can't even compare him to Henman! Murray has a game which is capable of winning a grand slam and he is only 18 years old! Truelly a great talent for the future!

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Totally disagree. How can you measure Murry against Henman yet? We don't knwo what he is going to achieve. Perhaps he is more promising than henman at 18, but that's all. Murray does not have a huge serve either, Henman never has had a huge serve himself, but this is worse now due to his shoulder and back problems. Andy is skinny too! But skinny players can win slams so pointless thing to say.

Serve and volley - so what! Samprass did alright with it huh?<laugh> We need variety and don't want to see a load of baseliners thanks. Can't play from the baseline? Well, a lot of baseliners can't serve and volley! You can't becoem a baseliner just like that anyhow. And you say S&V was so twentieth century? Was Tim not reaching his peak back then?

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