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Message 1 - posted by Welcome to Bandit Country (U1655047) , Jun 23, 2005

How impressive. Not in Federers half of draw either
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Message 2 - posted by stegoradio (U1646266) , Jun 23, 2005

He seems to be doing quite well considering his ranking.

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Message 3 - posted by Mikeyoneone (U703735) , Jun 23, 2005

he beat a fading clay court specialist.

he will get destroyed in later rounds. destroyed.

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Message 4 - posted by jasper1999 (U1654993) , Jun 23, 2005

Well done to Murray, lets hope he continues to make a name for himself.

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Message 5 - posted by mcuk11 (U1655338) , Jun 23, 2005

Henman Hill? How about Murray Mount!

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Message 6 - posted by stegoradio (U1646266) , Jun 23, 2005

I'm not up on Stepanek, so I won't comment on that. I think his next match will say quite a bit.

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Message 7 - posted by aerithfreak (U1651312) , Jun 23, 2005

Very impressive.

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Message 8 - posted by tennisgeezer (U1655296) , Jun 23, 2005

God I hope this is not the beginning of another Henman-style hype

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Message 9 - posted by Fleur77 (U1654038) , Jun 23, 2005

A fading clay court specialist?

I dont think so, isnt stepanek 15 in the world

and they just referred to him as one of the few serve volleyers on the tour

I thought that was completely excellent his mental focus is remarkable

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Message 10 - posted by mcuk11 (U1655338) , Jun 23, 2005

he beat a fading clay court specialist.

he will get destroyed in later rounds. destroyed.

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Are you forgetting this is his 1st ever Wimbledon? He may well get "destroyed" but to get further than Henman is an achievement in itself i feel. I think we should be proud of the fact he is British and stop trying to put him down so early in his career.

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Message 11 - posted by Mikeyoneone (U703735) , Jun 23, 2005

Yes stepanek is 13 in the world. and he is also a clay court specialist.

nadal is number two in the world, he has lost, he is a clay court specialist.

federer is a serve vollyer when he chooses, so is hewitt, nadal, coria, henman, rusedski, e.t.c. e.t.c.

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Message 12 - posted by Mikeyoneone (U703735) , Jun 23, 2005

I am not trying to put him down, he will have a much better chance of succeeding if he is not hyped to death like henman.

henman lost today and the bbc is reacting as though the world is coming to an end.

That pressure is not productive. for anyone.

murray is good, he needs to be left alone to get better.

he is no where as good as the bbc is making out.

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Message 13 - posted by The fourth musketeer* (U1646418) , Jun 23, 2005

however he is in Roddick Safin and hewitt's side of the draw (i'm not sure about hewitt) so as ffar as i'm concened he won't be getting past the quaters

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Message 14 - posted by Fleur77 (U1654038) , Jun 23, 2005

well he did just give the best british junior performance ever and in only his 6th game on the senior tour.

His serve is good and he played a whole host of absolutely crackign shots

but most importantly perhaps he REALLY held his nerve

I agree that we shouldnt go overboard but you can see the headlines tomorrow already

his next year on the seniors tour will be the teller

Anyone know how far his ranking will go up after today?

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Message 15 - posted by col-kundalini (U1649363) , Jun 23, 2005

His ranking should be close to 215 - 220 on the entry ranking, if he loses in the next round (using my maths which may not be up to the complexity of the ATP entry ranking system)

At some point during the week someone said he needs to get his ranking up in order to play in the Challenger tournaments rather than the Futures. Does anyone know what you need to ranked to qualify for challengers? I guess it must be 100 - 200 or similar.

But surely his performances this summer have already shown that he is going to be a top 100 player minimum. He has beaten Dent and Stepanek and almost beat Johansson.

He may never win Wimbeldon, the chances are very slim regardless of how good he is, he may never win a grand slam tournament, but I dare say he will compete, cause he sure looks the genuine article.

If you compare Murray to Delgado or Bogdanovic or Arvin Palmer, you can see he is way above their level. He seems to thrive in the big arena (contrast with Arvin Palmer's struggles)

I think it is fair to be excited about Andrew Murray. He is that good.

And he may even win his next match. I suspect it will be close.

(of course he isn't at Federer's level yet, nor Nadal, Hewitt or Roddick's)

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Message 16 - posted by Fleur77 (U1654038) , Jun 23, 2005

surely if he can stay injury free he could even be top 20, like you say the composure he has shown and the players he has beated prove none of his matches were "flukes"

I think it's great to see such a young British player being so confident and determined

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Message 17 - posted by StattoTheGreat (U1655581) , Jun 23, 2005

Just to clarify your ignorance I have the 2005 record of Radek Stepankek

His notable results are

Finalist - Milan, Indoor Carpet
Semis - Queen's Club, Grass; Sydney, Hard; Barcelona, Clay
Quarters - Rotterdam, Hard; Rome, Clay

Hardly the record of a Clay Court specialist and he is certainly not fading as hit his high spot of 13 in the rankings this year.

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Message 18 - posted by creamygoodness (U1648624) , Jun 23, 2005

It was a great win for Murray. Stepanek is a truly stubborn opponent who, despite not winning a title yet, is a top player, so don't go into a load of BS saying he's a fading player. Stepanek is in the form of his life. His gamesmanship is rather irritating, but at least Murray called him stupid in response!

Andy's game is good overall, but one area that is of some concern is the volley. He doesn't look too comfortable at the net, and if Nalbandian faces him next, who is a more experienced and better baseliner, it'll be a long day for Murray.

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Message 19 - posted by col-kundalini (U1649363) , Jun 23, 2005

he beat a fading clay court specialist.

he will get destroyed in later rounds. destroyed.

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Since when was Stepanek a clay court specialist?

He was a semi finalist at Queens
Finalist indoors at Milan
Quarters at Rome
Semis at Sydney
R32 Roland Garros
R32 Aus

(reached the final in Paris Masters last year)

Stepanek is your basic, hard working, solid tour player in form this year. He is worthy of a top 20 ranking because he has performed across the board.

This season he has beaten Rusedski, Moya, Nalbandian, Gasquet, Chela, Ancic, Canas, Ferrero, Ljubicic

Not bad. And certainly not "fading"

As for Murray getting destroyed I think you are right he will lose at some point during this tournament. He may well suffer from fatigue, lack of fitness, and simply wilt against a match tough opponent who has trained for 2 week long tournaments and 5 set matches.

But to my eyes he looks like a class act.

The next 12 months will a different test for Murray. Having to play against people who don't have his talent, in minor tournaments, just to get ranking points so that he can get on the main tour.

It may take a couple of years. He will probably lose form, get frustrated, lose matches that he should have won.

But if he keeps trying to improve, works on his fitness, on his second serve, his tactics, he will eventually get into the top 100 and then we will see if he can make it into the top 50, then the top 20.

One step at a time.

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Message 20 - posted by NomBrelli (U1655669) , Jun 23, 2005

Henman has always been hyped up as you put because he was the great English hope.
Murray on the other hand has already more credentials than Tigerless Tim. Andy has won the American Open, World Championship and been a Wimbledon finalist. Tim on the other hand has never produced at the top.
Forget Henman's Hill it got to be MURRAY'S MUNRO (He is Scottish after all) and proud of it.
NC

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