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Message 1 - posted by Potty Trained (U2139511) , Oct 2, 2005

As well as he did against Federer, the Swiss swisher was playing well within himself, and only upped the tempo when he needed to, whereas Murray was flat out for two sets.

But again he looked tired at the end, I doubt if he would have had much left in the tank if he managed to force a decider.

This looks like being a major obstacle for him in the future, and an issue that should be addressed sooner rather than later.

Otherwise, it will be another 10 years of "brave British challenge falls just short."

On a lighter note, will his prize money in Thailand be enough for him to spend on a facelift?
Quite frankly, my daughters are rather frightened of him.
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Message 2 - posted by jonhan (U1662748) , Oct 2, 2005

Yup, I've just written along these lines on another Murray thread.

I guess, on a lighter note, that he can't be that bad looking - there are millions of girls trying to marry him.

I take it this is because of his looks....<laugh>

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Message 3 - posted by WimbledonAce (U1760527) , Oct 2, 2005

As well as he did against Federer, the Swiss swisher was playing well within himself, and only upped the tempo when he needed to, whereas Murray was flat out for two sets.

But again he looked tired at the end, I doubt if he would have had much left in the tank if he managed to force a decider.

This looks like being a major obstacle for him in the future, and an issue that should be addressed sooner rather than later.

Otherwise, it will be another 10 years of "brave British challenge falls just short."

On a lighter note, will his prize money in Thailand be enough for him to spend on a facelift?
Quite frankly, my daughters are rather frightened of him.

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Aww that is mean, leave the guy along, I think he is rather cute...

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Message 4 - posted by Polarisgalaxy (U1697928) , Oct 2, 2005

Well to Andy's defence he had a difficult three set match against Paradorn yesterday that he used so much emotional energy to beat the Thailand's top male player. Having said that though..Andy is only 18..I know people hate when this is said but its true. He is still just a boy..I think people forget that. An 18 year old boy he is still maturing both physically and mentally..but Andy definitely has a lot of talent. All he needs is better fitness. It will take time..again..he will need a fitness trainer..he needs some muscles on those skinny bones..I'm not saying he needs to be muscular like Nadal but he needs some tone some definition on his body. The more endurance he has and upper body strength the better. But again this will take time..he is so very very young..and I hope the British media are FAIR to and KIND to this boy..despite the LOSS this week he had an AMAZING week striking down Ginepri and Paradorn..very good wins...He's in the top 100 he is on his way..up the rankings...Give Andy time..this is all he needs..and Remember he is only 18...

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Message 5 - posted by Potty Trained (U2139511) , Oct 2, 2005

You might want to pop down to specsavers sharpish ....

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Message 6 - posted by WimbledonAce (U1760527) , Oct 2, 2005

You might want to pop down to specsavers sharpish ....

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I am short sighted actually, lol!

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Message 7 - posted by JJ (U1646301) , Oct 2, 2005

You might want to pop down to specsavers sharpish ....

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and you might want to try and write something a bit more positive or else sod off:)

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Message 8 - posted by Potty Trained (U2139511) , Oct 2, 2005

Didn't Becker win Wimbledon at 17?
Didn't Nadal win the French at 19?
Didn't Sampras win the US Open at 19?

I don't remember any of the above having the sort of stamina problems that Murray has had.
All this business about "it will take time" is all well and good, but if you can't last three sets on GRASS when you're 18 it doesn't bode well for the future.

And I forgot about Chang
Well to Andy's defence he had a difficult three set match against Paradorn yesterday that he used so much emotional energy to beat the Thailand's top male player. Having said that though..Andy is only 18..I know people hate when this is said but its true. He is still just a boy..I think people forget that. An 18 year old boy he is still maturing both physically and mentally..but Andy definitely has a lot of talent. All he needs is better fitness. It will take time..again..he will need a fitness trainer..he needs some muscles on those skinny bones..I'm not saying he needs to be muscular like Nadal but he needs some tone some definition on his body. The more endurance he has and upper body strength the better. But again this will take time..he is so very very young..and I hope the British media are FAIR to and KIND to this boy..despite the LOSS this week he had an AMAZING week striking down Ginepri and Paradorn..very good wins...He's in the top 100 he is on his way..up the rankings...Give Andy time..this is all he needs..and Remember he is only 18...

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Message 9 - posted by WimbledonAce (U1760527) , Oct 2, 2005

You might want to pop down to specsavers sharpish ....

and you might want to try and write something a bit more positive or else sod off:)

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Here here!!! :)

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Message 10 - posted by JJ (U1646301) , Oct 2, 2005

not everyone can be good as they guys you mentioned...some people are better than others...doesn't take a genuis to work that out...also doesn't mean Andy's not gonna be a great player...only time will tell...

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Message 11 - posted by Potty Trained (U2139511) , Oct 2, 2005

Positive is fine, so is realistic. I've no doubt he has a fine future, but I just can't see him being the world beater that so many people are making him out to be ........

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and you might want to try and write something a bit more positive or else sod off:)

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Message 12 - posted by The Nameless One (U1984770) , Oct 2, 2005

So what if he's only 18?? Both Nadal and Gasquet beat Federer this year when they were only 18....

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Message 13 - posted by Polarisgalaxy (U1697928) , Oct 2, 2005

Yeah but honestly you cannot compare the 1980s to the 2005..the competition is just too step. Even Becker has said this..in the 1980s and the early 1990s no guy ranked 200 in the world would beat a top 10 player. Now any man can beat any man the depth is there in men's tennis. Andy is so young...and again Chang turned pro at 15..he had time to develop and get used to the tour. Andy Murray just turned pro this year. I don't understand this British negativity against Tim Henman or this kid Murray. The British people some of them are so snobby and I guess you can never please some of these negative people. Its like the kid is only 18 and he's in the top 100. If Andy was from the USA let me tell you the American press would shower him with praise because its an amazing accomplishment. Given the fact so many of the young British prospects haven't materialized into any real at the pro level I think Andy should be given praise for reaching the top 100. He has worked very hard and he has a lot of talent.

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Message 14 - posted by differentclass (U1704309) , Oct 2, 2005

What a load of b****cks! God you defeatists really annoy me! Are you aware that Murray played 2 hard three set matches in a row? Do you realise that Federer didn't make an ATP final until about a year later than Murray just has? Do you think that 6-3 7-5 against the world no. 1 when slightly tired is easy?!!! Idiot.

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Message 15 - posted by JJ (U1646301) , Oct 2, 2005

Positive is fine, so is realistic. I've no doubt he has a fine future, but I just can't see him being the world beater that so many people are making him out to be ........

You might want to pop down to specsavers sharpish ....

and you might want to try and write something a bit more positive or else sod off:)

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haven't seen anyone use the phrase world beater....but your right WHO knows what's gonna happen and what sort of player hes gonna be...but we're just trying to be positive...i think you'll find those of us with a bit of tennis knowledge aren't the ones who are hypeing him up to be the best ever, or at this stage a GS champion...all i know is that he aquitted himself brilliantly today aginst the nearly unbeatable Federer in his first senior final...score could have been 2 & 3...but it wasn't. Andy played VERY well....you know because Roger said so...he WANTED to play Andy because he knew about him and his potential...

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Message 16 - posted by Potty Trained (U2139511) , Oct 2, 2005

I totally agree with your last line. He has worked hard, maybe too hard, but he has got his reward and cruised into the top-100.

I doubt if it will be long before he is in the top-50, and his first proper title could maybe arrive next year.

But what I am keen to avoid is weighing him down with a mass of expectation, which Henman suffered with so much.

Too many people are expecting too many great things from him, but will they be satisfied with a handful of titles and a few semi-final appearances in the Slams?

The country needs a new Fred Perry, not a Tim Henman, and unless Murray thinks hard about his poor fitness and gets a new coach he will end up the latter.
Yeah but honestly you cannot compare the 1980s to the 2005..the competition is just too step. Even Becker has said this..in the 1980s and the early 1990s no guy ranked 200 in the world would beat a top 10 player. Now any man can beat any man the depth is there in men's tennis. Andy is so young...and again Chang turned pro at 15..he had time to develop and get used to the tour. Andy Murray just turned pro this year. I don't understand this British negativity against Tim Henman or this kid Murray. The British people some of them are so snobby and I guess you can never please some of these negative people. Its like the kid is only 18 and he's in the top 100. If Andy was from the USA let me tell you the American press would shower him with praise because its an amazing accomplishment. Given the fact so many of the young British prospects haven't materialized into any real at the pro level I think Andy should be given praise for reaching the top 100. He has worked very hard and he has a lot of talent.

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Message 17 - posted by JJ (U1646301) , Oct 2, 2005

I totally agree with your last line. He has worked hard, maybe too hard, but he has got his reward and cruised into the top-100.

I doubt if it will be long before he is in the top-50, and his first proper title could maybe arrive next year.

But what I am keen to avoid is weighing him down with a mass of expectation, which Henman suffered with so much.

Too many people are expecting too many great things from him, but will they be satisfied with a handful of titles and a few semi-final appearances in the Slams?

The country needs a new Fred Perry, not a Tim Henman, and unless Murray thinks hard about his poor fitness and gets a new coach he will end up the latter.
Yeah but honestly you cannot compare the 1980s to the 2005..the competition is just too step. Even Becker has said this..in the 1980s and the early 1990s no guy ranked 200 in the world would beat a top 10 player. Now any man can beat any man the depth is there in men's tennis. Andy is so young...and again Chang turned pro at 15..he had time to develop and get used to the tour. Andy Murray just turned pro this year. I don't understand this British negativity against Tim Henman or this kid Murray. The British people some of them are so snobby and I guess you can never please some of these negative people. Its like the kid is only 18 and he's in the top 100. If Andy was from the USA let me tell you the American press would shower him with praise because its an amazing accomplishment. Given the fact so many of the young British prospects haven't materialized into any real at the pro level I think Andy should be given praise for reaching the top 100. He has worked very hard and he has a lot of talent.

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Yes PT totally right and as i said most real tennis fans arent putting stupid pressure on Andy...we want the First Andy Murray not another Fred Perry...lets see how he develops...its gonna be an interesting 2006...:)

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Message 18 - posted by Polarisgalaxy (U1697928) , Oct 2, 2005

The British people amaze me with their selfishness, and abhorrent attitude. Tim Henman served England well. The man was a top 10 player very consistent. He's a nice man with a good attitude and well respected by the other players. Maybe Tim just isn't good enough..but still he did well for England. He made the US OPEN and French Open semifinals last year..an amazing feat. He made the Wimbledon quarterfinals or better I think for 5 years straight until this year..This man should be a hero and doesn't deserve the scorn. He tried his best..at least he isn't juicing himself on steroids and cheating like certain players on the tour..Tim worked hard but now it looks like his best days are over...but I respect the man..he served his country well..I can't wait until Tim writes his autobiography and hear what he has to say about the British people and the British media..the negativity is just ludicrous...

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Message 19 - posted by Fruitcake (U1678613) , Oct 2, 2005

The British people amaze me with their selfishness, and abhorrent attitude. Tim Henman served England well. The man was a top 10 player very consistent. He's a nice man with a good attitude and well respected by the other players. Maybe Tim just isn't good enough..but still he did well for England. He made the US OPEN and French Open semifinals last year..an amazing feat. He made the Wimbledon quarterfinals or better I think for 5 years straight until this year..This man should be a hero and doesn't deserve the scorn. He tried his best..at least he isn't juicing himself on steroids and cheating like certain players on the tour..Tim worked hard but now it looks like his best days are over...but I respect the man..he served his country well..I can't wait until Tim writes his autobiography and hear what he has to say about the British people and the British media..the negativity is just ludicrous...

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Absolutely!! I feel ashamed to be British when I read some of the things that the Henman bashers say ... he's the best we've had for 70 years - but seems that just isn't good enough for some people. And I think a certain Roger Federer hadn't won any slams at 18/19/20 either - and look what's happened to him. Some players mature later than others ... its not their fault. So to me the comparison between Murray + Borg, Sampras etc is ludicrous. I was glad that Andy had a jibe at the British press in his Bangkok speech - hoping they would be kinder to him than Tim in the coming years. Hear hear!!

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Message 20 - posted by Henmansaloser (U1649604) , Oct 2, 2005

What a load of b****cks! God you defeatists really annoy me! Are you aware that Murray played 2 hard three set matches in a row? Do you realise that Federer didn't make an ATP final until about a year later than Murray just has? Do you think that 6-3 7-5 against the world no. 1 when slightly tired is easy?!!! Idiot.

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Here here. Couldn't agree with you more!

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