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Message 1, Jul 11, 2007
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Message 2 - posted by Bryan_Fontana
(U5277533)
, Jul 11, 2007
//So are certain, pro-israeli UK media outlets over playing the anti-semitism card?//
Israel and anti-semitism in the Uk are two entirely seperate issues.
Which would you like to discuss?
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Message 3 - posted by Chappati Lover
(U2460282)
, Jul 11, 2007
They are not entirely seperate, they are both linked. The incidences of attacks on Jews seem to be directly related to when Israel commits atrocities in Lebanon, Palestine etc. For example, there was a rise in attacks on Jews in the UK last year when Israel war carpet bombing Lebanon.
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Message 4 - posted by sabcarrera
(U4768395)
, Jul 11, 2007
So are certain, pro-israeli UK media outlets over playing the anti-semitism card?
DiscussQuoted from
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Will our comments be marked?
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Message 5 - posted by Chappati Lover
(U2460282)
, Jul 11, 2007
No, they will be exposed as lies and pure porpoganda, but if you want them marked i can do that 
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Message 6 - posted by cousinpaul
(U3177685)
, Jul 11, 2007
"but then you get attacks on single mothers, on police officers, on nurses, on shop staff which are all far more commen then attacks on members the the Jewish Community."
WOW NAZ, I thought only Muslims get attacked and targeted in Britain!
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Message 7 - posted by Bryan_Fontana
(U5277533)
, Jul 11, 2007
//They are not entirely seperate, they are both linked. The incidences of attacks on Jews seem to be directly related to when Israel commits atrocities in Lebanon, Palestine etc. For example, there was a rise in attacks on Jews in the UK last year when Israel war carpet bombing Lebanon.//
If this is the case, and you have provided no link, then I would say that the problem is the ignorance of those carrying out these attacks.
Not all Israeli's are Jewish, not all Jews are Israeili's.
Some of the fiercest critics of Israeli policy over the years have been Jewish journalists.
If people are so ignorant that they cannot distinguish between the Israeli govt and Jewish UK citizens then that is their fault wouldn't you agree?
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Message 8 - posted by cloudyj
(U1773646)
, Jul 11, 2007
They are not entirely seperate, they are both linked. The incidences of attacks on Jews seem to be directly related to when Israel commits atrocities in Lebanon, Palestine etc.Quoted from
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That is the perfect example of anti-semitism is my book: some Jews do domething bad therefore it is legitimate to target other Jews. Judging people by the fact that they share a characteristic with other people is bigotted rubbish, and I hoped Britain was moving away from that.
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Message 9 - posted by donkdidonk2
(U1730804)
, Jul 11, 2007
Is Islamophobia a myth?
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Message 10 - posted by NearlySane
(U3123538)
, Jul 11, 2007
You are replying to:
Message posted by Iron Naz
"Are the claims of rising anti-semitism a myth, built up by overplaying minor incidences in the UK?
There have been attacks on Jews, no doubt on that, but then you get attacks on single mothers, on police officers, on nurses, on shop staff which are all far more commen then attacks on members the the Jewish Community.
So are certain, pro-israeli UK media outlets over playing the anti-semitism card?
Discuss"
It's difficult to tell - the comparison to attacks on other groups of society don't really matter as your question is anti-Semitism rising and to answer that it would be based on whether teh attacks on Jewish people is rising.
It may be that reported attacks are up but that may reflect increased reporting.
One thing is that I would absolutely condemn attacks on anyone because of their religion - I take it you would agree Naz?
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Message 11 - posted by Chappati Lover
(U2460282)
, Jul 11, 2007
<<<If people are so ignorant that they cannot distinguish between the Israeli govt and Jewish UK citizens then that is their fault wouldn't you agree?>>>
Well yes I agree. But British Jews dont exactly help their cause when they say they support Israel fully in what Israel does.
Its like a muslim saying they totally support OBL's attacks on the WTC, this would inevitably lead to people wanting to attack muslims.
Although I agree attacking someone, even if you find their views highly offensive is a bit ridiculous to say the least.
But I think the cries of anti-semitism are just not backed up by facts.
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Message 12 - posted by Devon
(U6551334)
, Jul 11, 2007
They are not entirely seperate, they are both linked. The incidences of attacks on Jews seem to be directly related to when Israel commits atrocities in Lebanon, Palestine etc. For example, there was a rise in attacks on Jews in the UK last year when Israel war carpet bombing Lebanon.###
Good Morning Naz,
Our very own WUM extrodinaire.
Firstly please can you back up your claim that Israel "carpet" bombed Lebanon. This sort of language should not be used on the MB.
Naz, the only resean I can see that you have been allowed to post this nonsense is because you are a muslim. Moderators please ask yourself if this was posted by some foaming at the mouth BMP supporter whould you allow it to continue. So Naz was the holocust a myth?
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Message 13 - posted by Chappati Lover
(U2460282)
, Jul 11, 2007
<<<One thing is that I would absolutely condemn attacks on anyone because of their religion - I take it you would agree Naz?>>>
I agree 100% on that.
<<<It may be that reported attacks are up but that may reflect increased reporting.>>>
This is probably the case, however the media sensationalising it does not help, with programs with sensationalist, misleading titles such as "War on Britains Jews". This program, as far as i know, discussed rare incidences of attacks on Rabbi's, jewish graveyards etc, then used this to claim a war is being waged against britains jewish community, which i think is very misleading, in fact i'd go as far as saying its blatant lying.
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Message 14 - posted by RedRedRobin
(U838052)
, Jul 11, 2007
"So are certain, pro-israeli UK media outlets over playing the anti-semitism card?"
The difficulty will be that any media outlet that reports anti-semitism will be written off as pro-Isreali, so mentioning the problem becomes evidence that you can't be trusted.
A handy position to plac yourself in, but noy conducive to sensible discussion.
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Message 15 - posted by Chappati Lover
(U2460282)
, Jul 11, 2007
<<<Good Morning Naz>>> Good morning Devonranter. How are you this fine morning? <<<Our very own WUM extrodinaire>>> Complement or insult? Not for me to say  <<<Firstly please can you back up your claim that Israel "carpet" bombed Lebanon. This sort of language should not be used on the MB.>>> The facts show that Israel did in fact use carpet bombing and used weapons of mass destruction in Lebanon, such as cluster bombs, which they admit to using. Now the nature of a cluster bomb is that when it explodes, it carpets a large area with small bomblets. Now THAT is carpet bombing. But this is also off topic.  <<<Naz, the only resean I can see that you have been allowed to post this nonsense is because you are a muslim. Moderators please ask yourself if this was posted by some foaming at the mouth BMP supporter whould you allow it to continue. So Naz was the holocust a myth?>>> You started off sincere and now you are just being silly. If you wish to debate with me, feel free. Should you wish to be childish, please understand that I have no desire to get into a childish name calling game with your good self.
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Message 16 - posted by Damejuggles
(U1632746)
, Jul 11, 2007
I would say it was the wrong time/period to put on such a documentary. It may make things worse. You do sound like a racist though naz
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Message 17 - posted by LordSebastian
(U6871204)
, Jul 11, 2007
Naz,
Re post 5.
If I submitted pro-Islam, anti-Israel comments for "marking", would they, too, be exposed as lies and propaganda?
If one takes your posting on face value, then this is the only conclusion one can draw.
Do you have a fellow "examiner" or will you be exposing pro-Islam comments as lies and propaganda yourself?
As an aside, what is "impure propaganda"? Sounds a bit kinky to me, decadent Westerner that I am.
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Message 18 - posted by Bryan_Fontana
(U5277533)
, Jul 11, 2007
//Well yes I agree. But British Jews dont exactly help their cause when they say they support Israel fully in what Israel does. //
And ALL British Jews support Israel do they?
Got any proof?
//Its like a muslim saying they totally support OBL's attacks on the WTC, this would inevitably lead to people wanting to attack muslims.//
No, it would make people dislike the individual concerned, not ALL Muslims.
//Although I agree attacking someone, even if you find their views highly offensive is a bit ridiculous to say the least.
But I think the cries of anti-semitism are just not backed up by facts.//
It IS anti-semitism if Jews are being attacked because of what SOME Jews have said or done.
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Message 19 - posted by Devon
(U6551334)
, Jul 11, 2007
Naz,
As ever with you i find some of your posts some what insulting. This Thread smacks of being anti semetic.
I agree with juggles you are coming over as a racist.
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Message 20 - posted by Geek, The Amazing Dogboy
(U1759005)
, Jul 11, 2007
They are not entirely seperate, they are both linked. The incidences of attacks on Jews seem to be directly related to when Israel commits atrocities in Lebanon, Palestine etc. Quoted from
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Well, haven't you answered your own question there? Isn't that anti-semitism? Also the BNP aren't exactly fond of them, so isn't that anti-semitism?
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