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The English getting shafted by the Scots. AGAIN!

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Message 261 - posted by Giselle-Leah (U1725276) , Apr 9, 2007

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"Sounds like a bigoted comment to me."

Name one Scottish constituency that is represented by an English MP.

Scottish people have always come to England for work and career opportunities - t'was ever thus. Never the other way around. Their allegiance is always 1st Scotland, then Britain, and that includes all politicians.

I knew Robin Cooke was dead - I mentioned him because he became Foreign Secretary. Nothing wrong in that per se, but IMO he was one of the worst F.S. ever.

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Message 262 - posted by usraman (U4352797) , Apr 9, 2007

He was the laziest like a lot of other Nulabour Ministers

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Message 263 - posted by Giselle-Leah (U1725276) , Apr 9, 2007

Remember when he accompanied the Queen on her State visit to India? He left her right in the middle of the trip to return to the UK "for political reasons." Nothing of the sort. He was having an affair with his secretary and he couldn't keep away from her. That little jaunt exposed him and he divorced his wife and then married the secretary. A shabby man and I was very surprised when so many eulogies were said at his death because "he was a man of principle."

Principle - my rear end.

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Message 264 - posted by sunnny (U1734679) , Apr 9, 2007

Egg timer yes you are racists in your views as well as arrogant and ignorant.
Those english who are so convinced that scots should be so grateful to you for all you do and that we would be very stupid to break away, i would ask one thing ,if england are doing so badly with this union why have they not tried to get their own independance, sounds like that maybe the scots are not so stupid if the likes of egg timer and the very bitter serenack are tobe believed.
For me if we stay in the union and i may well vote for that then fine, we have survived with you so far and contributed well to the uk.

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Message 265 - posted by Arbitro (U4614303) , Apr 9, 2007

Perhaps it is time for England to stand up for itself and become independent. For many years its economy has been supported by the contributions from Empire, then Commonwealth - paying the locals little or nothing while growing fat from their produce and natural resources.

Now all that England has left to support it is the other British Isles and a few "Dependencies" abroad. When did England ever stand alone in the last 1,000 years? Perhaps it cannot, and the Unionists know this.

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Message 266 - posted by TimTrack (U1730472) , Apr 10, 2007

"...Perhaps it is time for England to stand up for itself and become independent. For many years its economy has been supported by the contributions from Empire, then Commonwealth - paying the locals little or nothing while growing fat from their produce and natural resources..."


This is fairly typical of the ill-thought through anti-Union sentiments.

Firstly, England did not have much of an empire before 1707 (as has been pointed out on this thread before), it was a BRITISH empire. Leaving aside the abuses that empire implies, the economic benefits were never terribly clear.

Secondly, after the commonwealth was set up, the commonwealth countries had priviliged access to UK markets. Some of those priviliges live on into the current era of EU membership. Prices were often kept artificially high and markets are still guaranteed.

Any benefit or cost involved in empire/commonwealth was equally taken across the UK, including Scotland. This type oc comment tells me more of the knee jerk anti-establishment, anti-England attitude of the poster than it does about history or economy.

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Message 267 - posted by Gordon Walker (U1669518) , Apr 10, 2007

Serenak,

Contributed the following:

''The Union that a Scottish King put England into merely to benefit his own country! And it worked for 300 years..That must be a record for how long a country has sponged off of its neighbour don't you think?''

Seranak, please learn some history before you make a comment. However, you do keep me amused.


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Message 268 - posted by Reporter 1087 (U1647806) , Apr 10, 2007

M.258

"Sounds like a bigoted comment to me."

Name one Scottish constituency that is represented by an English MP.
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Wow, ignorance knows no bounds!

Malcolm Bruce - Liberal Democrat - Born Birkenhead - Represents : Gordon (that is the name of a plce in Jockland)

Mark Lazarowicz - Labour - Born Dagneham - Represents : Edinburgh North and Leith

Alistair Darling - Labour - Born London - Represents : Edinburgh South West (My MP)

Gordon Raymond Banks - Labour - Born Northumberland - represents : Ochil and South Perthshire.

Well, that kind of blows bigot theory number 1 out of the water no?

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Scottish people have always come to England for work and career opportunities - t'was ever thus. Never the other way around. Their allegiance is always 1st Scotland, then Britain, and that includes all politicians.
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Well, blow me down. Here I am in Edinburgh, sorrounded by English economic and soliac immigrants thinking to myself that immigration between Scotland and England was a 2 way street? How proposterous! Perhaps you could provide a linkage : I shall catogorise your above paragraph as bigot theory 2
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I knew Robin Cooke was dead - I mentioned him because he became Foreign Secretary. Nothing wrong in that per se, but IMO he was one of the worst F.S. ever.

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Wow, are there any more dead figures that you may wish to hold against us?

number 3!

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Message 269 - posted by Giselle-Leah (U1725276) , Apr 10, 2007

US

I did not know there were English MPs representing Scottish constituents. In all the debates on the topic, this never came up - hence my POV. Thank you for putting me right.

I never say anything that I know is untrue. In the whole of my life, all the Scottish people I have met in England have said that out of choice, they would have preferred to remain in Scotland. They only came south of the border because - at the time - there were not sufficient work opportunities in Scotland.

Your last paragraph is gutter debate and not worthy of a response.

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Message 270 - posted by U7188225 (U7188225) , Apr 10, 2007

For crying out loud, will some of you people get a grip. Some people are English, and some people are Scottish, and a lot of mixture in between, but we are all British, and there are people out there probably reveling in the fact of a division in this British Isles. We need to be united, because while we are kicking the crap out of each other, these people are working quietly away undermining our way of life and culture. We will wake up one day and find that we are no longer British, in the true sense of the word, in fact the process has already started, or hasn't anybody noticed yet. Grow up, for God's sake, or we are doomed.

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Message 271 - posted by The Prisoner (U5086219) , Aug 4, 2009

government departments, such as the DVLA et al, are British, and as such, will be divvied up equally, upon the union betwixt Caledon & England, coming to an end.

the UK came into being, when James VI of Sconny Botland, became King James Ist, of England-shire.

ergo

the UK will cease to exist, upon Scotland going its` own way.

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Message 272 - posted by Span Ows (U1646714) , Aug 4, 2009

better late than never...2 years 4 months to reply! ;-)

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Message 273 - posted by Trout Mask Replica (U7233789) , Aug 4, 2009

You're not a periodic cicada are you. If so I look forward to a message from your descendants in another two or three years time.

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Message 274 - posted by The Prisoner (U5086219) , Aug 4, 2009

is that the time..?

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