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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 2

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    Posted by wycombewanderer (U3114853) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    You're not alone in wondering about charities these days.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/...
    They appear to be little ùmore than political lobbyists with a high proportion of failed corrupt special,advisors from a previous government directing their lobbying as Fraser Nelson shows here!


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    Posted by Death Where Is Thy Sting (U15017382) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    R4 did a programme about them a couple of years ago. It was not pretty.

    Take a look at their accounts. Chunky salaries for those at the top.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Former Archers Listener known as Fausto etc (U14266958) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    You're not alone in wondering about charities these days.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/...
    They appear to be little ùmore than political lobbyists with a high proportion of failed corrupt special,advisors from a previous government directing their lobbying as Fraser Nelson shows here! 


    Seems a lot like a paranoid conspiracy theory.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by wycombewanderer (U3114853) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Would you give money to an organisation that had someone like McBride working in an executive capacity?

    I know I wouldn't!

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Ell Kaye (U2222944) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    You're not alone in wondering about charities these days.
    www.telegraph.co.uk/...
    They appear to be little ùmore than political lobbyists with a high proportion of failed corrupt special,advisors from a previous government directing their lobbying as Fraser Nelson shows here! 


    And most of the Civil Service imho.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Prinkma (U14661090) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Back in the early nineties the Irish equivalent of Private Eye ran an article about the Irish ISPCA. Allegedly animal wefare people were gradually ousted from the board, to be replaced allegedly by financial experts. The kennels and premises in central Dublin were sold off, and the HQ moved out to the country, to an isolated and difficult-to-get-to area. IIRC millions were invested abroad, while welfare workers felt the money would have been of more use being applied to animal welfare. It led to a huge split, welfare people leaving and setting up alternative organisations.

    Part of the problem seems to be that so many people leave money in their wills to these charities, and where there's money there's people eager to 'manage it' for you.

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  • Message 8

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

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    Posted by Binky (U4657795) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Ages ago, a friend told me that if I wanted to leave money to a charity in my will, then the best thing would be to leave the money to the local branch rather than the head office.

    If you leave it locally, then there's more chance of the animals getting the money rather than it going to the upkeep of HQ premises and staff salaries.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by maggiechow- chained to the railings (U6630370) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    "Auntie Rose put a link to the Mail"

    There's a surprise.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Ell Kaye (U2222944) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    "Auntie Rose put a link to the Mail"

    There's a surprise. 


    Pardon?

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  • Message 12

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 13

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    Posted by auldhairy (U14258268) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    This one I put elsethread earlier.

    Scottish SPCA rescues snake on a plane at Glasgow Airport

    www.bbc.co.uk/news/u...

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    >>5 cm maggots<<

    wow! what sort of fly eventually emerges from a 5cm maggot?! (Or have I got the biology wrong here...?) (Oh dear, someone's sure to post a gruesome link now.)

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Leaving aside Mustardland's antipathy towards the Daily Mail, the story to which the OP refers is an appalling indictement of the RSPCA.

    I have lost count of the number of times people have commented that it is not worth alerting the RSPCA to cases of suspected animal cruelty "because they won't do anything about it - they're just not interested."

    The RSPCA has lost its "moral compass" during its pursuit over the last decade or two of donations and bequests. It /seems/ to exist more to pursue a wider national and political agenda than to actively focus on preventing actual cruelty to real, living (and dying) animals.

    I always encourage people to support local animal welfare charities in preference to the RSPB, and the BTO in preference to the RSPCA - on which subject I had better not get started!

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    Posted by davser (U1195784) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Auntie Rose put a link to Mail, and I started reading their online version.

    The story she had noticed was immigrant benefit fraud (ML is probably too politically correct to believe it or comment, for fear of being named "racist")

    (While there, I noticed the elderly abuse/extermination story. This on the same day Winterbourne sentences are given, and there is more JS stuff, always with the horror centred on the fact that Young people could be abused, with the tacit rider that abuse of old people is so routine it is only to be expected, and not worth comment (ML is perhaps putting collective head in sand/fingers in ears/blinkers on eyes?))

    However, there was another abuse story which had evidently been widely known and reported, but which I had missed. It was about a life ban on keeping animals and other punishments for a man who had been horribly cruel to some horses. Apparently, the RSPCA had flatly refused to take any action against the man, after looking at what he was doing to the animals. The only reason he was ever stopped was because one junior vet stood up against them, and created such a fuss they were forced, reluctantly, to take the villain to court.

    According to the Mail story, the vet got a medal for his action, but I was left with a big unanswered question. What on earth were RSPCA thinking of, when they refused at first to prosecute the man? If that is not exactly the purpose of their existence, what is?

    (A cynic might wonder if, as with so many charities, they grow too big for their boots, too far from their roots, and begin to act like those other soulless monsters, politicians and public service providers, with overpaid overstaffed management who think the only true point of the enterprise is to fill their personal bank accounts, on an ever more distant pretext of the ostensible 'civic duty' or 'service' or 'charity' aim )

     
    Unlike their Scottish equivalent they don't have specific statutory powers to bring prosecutions and have to rely on bringing private ones.

    Whether that makes much of a difference I don't know.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by irene (U14262395) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    i must say that i have never read a good word said about the rspca on this board , by posters who have contacted it... and any phone call i have ever made to them ref worries about aniimals, has always ended up with ' contact a vet' or similar. and yet apparently the rspca coffers bulge with cash.. how does this come about?

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    Posted by Lynetta Pavlova (U14864661) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    i must say that i have never read a good word said about the rspca on this board , by posters who have contacted it...  

    All (not many, admittedly) my contacts with the RSPCA have been positive; that doesn't mean they're perfect, of course, but our local branch seems fine.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Binky (U4657795) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    An RSPCA inspector helped us when one of our cats was stuck inside the conservatory of an empty house (cat had fallen in through poorly maintained plastic roof). Came round to help within 30 mins of the phone call.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Auntie Clockwise (U8040384) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I know someone (an animal lover) who had a good professional job and left it to work for the RSPCA (again, in a professional capacity). He was so disillusioned after a couple of years that he left and went back to his previous employment.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by wycombewanderer (U3114853) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I know someone (an animal lover) who had a good professional job and left it to work for the RSPCA (again, in a professional capacity). He was so disillusioned after a couple of years that he left and went back to his previous employment.   I've not a good word to say about them.

    I was once broken into whilst I wasout, my dog, a great dane got out no doubt having scared off the intruders. He was spotted by the police and taken to the station by the council dog warden,but because he was too large for the police kennels taken straight to the RSPCA 'home'.
    When i got back from work, i found a note, called the police and went straight to the 'home'; it was a Friday evening.
    They btold me that until I paid a recovery fee to the council 9-5 monday to friday I could not get him back, so he had to stay there the whole weekend.
    On the monday when i picked him up he was covered in his own faeces with terrible diahorea that he never recovered from, four weeks later he died in my arms as he was put to sleep.
    As far as I'm concerned the RSPCA and Bath council can rot in hell.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by maggiechow- chained to the railings (U6630370) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    "Auntie Rose put a link to the Mail"

    There's a surprise. 


    Pardon?  
    Almost every thread Aunty Rose begins contains a link to the Daily Mail.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by davser (U1195784) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I know someone (an animal lover) who had a good professional job and left it to work for the RSPCA (again, in a professional capacity). He was so disillusioned after a couple of years that he left and went back to his previous employment.   I've not a good word to say about them.

    I was once broken into whilst I wasout, my dog, a great dane got out no doubt having scared off the intruders. He was spotted by the police and taken to the station by the council dog warden,but because he was too large for the police kennels taken straight to the RSPCA 'home'.
    When i got back from work, i found a note, called the police and went straight to the 'home'; it was a Friday evening.
    They btold me that until I paid a recovery fee to the council 9-5 monday to friday I could not get him back, so he had to stay there the whole weekend.
    On the monday when i picked him up he was covered in his own faeces with terrible diahorea that he never recovered from, four weeks later he died in my arms as he was put to sleep.
    As far as I'm concerned the RSPCA and Bath council can rot in hell. 
    Thats horrendous.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    what a horrific story ww. My heart bleeds at the idea of a Dane alone in a kennel all weekend. That an animal charity could treat a dog like this because of an administrative process is beyond belief. That you couldn't pick up your dog on a Friday evening is disgusting mismanagement.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by wycombewanderer (U3114853) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I even offered to pay the 'home' the fee to pass on and went and found the nightstaff for the council and the police to give a cheque made out to the council.
    * there was no-one to whom i could speak to sort it out.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I had to phone the RSPCA when my cat was stuck up a pole - they never phoned me back (cat got down of her own accord, of course)

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  • Message 27

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    All this user's posts have been removed. Why?

  • Message 28

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    Posted by Borsetshire Blue (U2260326) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    i must say that i have never read a good word said about the rspca on this board , by posters who have contacted it...  

    All (not many, admittedly) my contacts with the RSPCA have been positive; that doesn't mean they're perfect, of course, but our local branch seems fine.

     

    That has been my experience too and I've called them out a few times to animals that were suffering, in a number of locations. I've sometimes had to wait a while as their inspectors cover such large areas but they've been great when they arrived.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    >>>The RSPCA/council both had established their systems, entirely to their own convenience. The animals, and the public, were so low in importance they had fallen off the bottom of the lists<<<

    I am really very distressed about the idea that animal shelters should be run in this way. I've had a lot of contact with such places ( I drove the animal ambulance for years till I got tired of being called out so frequently to scrape dead cats from the road...) and they're all run by volunteers whose first priority is the animals' welfare. As animals have to be cared for at the weekend there is always someone there to do so, so someone picking up a missing pet would be welcome and all would rejoice in the reunion. That this process should be blocked by an administrative policy is unspeakable. I would have gone insane at the idea of my dog being locked up for a weekend - this is punishing an animal who was unluckily enough to find itself involved in a system which is supposed to hElp animals!

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Saturday, 27th October 2012

    Let's not forget the recent ML post on the RSPCA efforts around the Damien Hurst butterfly exhibit. I posted at the time that the RSPCA has lost the plot.

    I do have some sympathy with the idea of not using animals lives for entertainment but it is a question of priorities and to an extent what your donor community expects - care for Great Danes for example.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Dresdenshepherdess (U3509991) on Saturday, 27th October 2012

    WW, I am so very sorry. Absolutely sickening.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by littlecandle (U2651900) on Saturday, 27th October 2012

    That's terrible, ww. What an awful, needless thing to happen to a loved animal.

    lc

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