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  • Message 101

    , in reply to message 21.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Meanwhile,60 rockets are being fired at Israeli towns,aimed at civilians,invariably at school time. 

    With F_K cautioning us all to beware of how we interpret things we read online, I would add to that with regard to unsubstantiated information, or that lacking context or citation, as above.

    UN OCHA Protection of Civilians Weekly Report (10-16 October) provides more balanced info, including that about Israeli military strikes on civilians and gives the following stats:

    Palestinian casualties by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip:
    Killed this week: 5 Killed in 2012: 62
    Injured this week: 5 Injured in 2012: 277

    2012 weekly average of injured: 8
    2011 weekly average of injured: 9

    Israeli casualties by Palestinian fire from Gaza
    Injured this week: 0
    Killed in 2012: 1
    Injured in 2012: 18

    reliefweb.int/sites/...


    And, in case anyone isn't aware, the situation in the Gaza Strip is very different from the West Bank and these two areas of Palestinian populations are geographically separated.

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  • Message 102

    , in reply to message 100.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Hi again

    I've checked with the community team and they've confirmed that

    We’d remove the links if the sole purpose was to solicit donations, but in the context of the thread it’s fine. 

    If anyone suspects a post may break the house rules, best to refer it to a moderator who will be able to pass or fail the post pretty immediately.

    Thanks
    Tayler 
    My response to this is in message 76 and is still hidden, Tayler.

    I think this explains my own position and it is one that I believe would be shared by many others.

    I cannot see how this breaks any House Rules.

    Are you willing to let people see it?

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  • Message 103

    , in reply to message 22.

    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 104

    , in reply to message 89.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    That is with respect entirely irrelevant here. 
    No, fat_kid; if you don't want to answer my question, that is entirely your right, but it is because you choose not too.

    There is no "off-topic" in The Bull (except for discussion of The Archers) and threads may diverge and divert from the OP entirely at the will of the posters.

    For instance, I ask Eileen (and any other posters who wish to contribute) about the typical diet of the people whose olive harvest she helped with, and what the arrangements for the volunteers catering was.

    She can, of course, answer me or not, but I personally would find information about this interesting.

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  • Message 105

    , in reply to message 99.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    At least one poster on here has indicated they may donate on the strength of what they have read here, a public service messageboard.

    And the means to do it have been handily supplied here too!

    I have worked in advertising and I can tell you that some organisations would be willing to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for campaigns just like this.

     
    If the BBC are indeed lending their support to this campaign, that is clearly their perogative.

    But I also believe this should be completely transparent to any visitors to the messageboard.

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  • Message 106

    , in reply to message 101.

    Posted by idontbelieveit (U14276798) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Your argument seems to be that the side that kills the most is the side in the wrong?
    So Israel is not supposed to react to a daily barrage of missiles fired at it?
    It is not supposed to stop terrorists about to launch rockets or carry out the euphemistically named "operations"?
    Any other country in the world would react just as Israel does,but,I suspect,with less restraint.

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  • Message 107

    , in reply to message 103.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    That was some pretty extreme pruning,with branches left lying around 

    I wish I could show you the pictures I took of the fields where we were working - there were huge piles of olive branches where the trees had been pruned. We were very pleased as it meant we didn't have to climb ladders etc. I didn't see the tree stumps which were talked about in the article, so it was unfortunate that these weren't apparently videoed.

    The Hebron where Jews were massacred in 1929?
    That Hebron? 


    or, perhaps the Hebron where the more recent massacre by USA immigrant Baruch Goldstein in 1994? That's how the Ibrahimi mosque/Cave of the Patriarchs came to be segregated, isn't it?

    With regard to 1929 don't forget to mention that many Jews were protected by their Arab neighbours with whom they had lived peacably for generations (as you mention in your next point). (It was outsiders who carried out this horrific massacre, precipitated by opposition to mass Zionist immigration, as far as I have heard).

    a lifelong boycott of buying Israeli produce is good. -
    But it isn't.
    It hasn't worked. 

    I wouldn't say that. Google "BDS Success" and you get a number of examples of where it has worked.

    grotesque imbalance of power is heartbreaking -
    Agreed.
    A tiny country with a tiny population surrounded by hostile,totalitarian fascist regimes is indeed heartbreaking. 

    Come on, don't be disingenous - Israel is the 6th largest military in the world and its own regime is pretty fascist! I would venture that the hostility of its neighbours has got a lot to do with Israel's behaviour towards its neighbours and mainly because of its treatment of Palestinians under its occupation - deemed illegal under international law, which Israel wantonly disregards.

    Vis-a-vis anti-semitism, as always you are conflating it with anti-Zionism. Most of us, I think, would have hoped that colonisation would have been left behind in the last century.

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  • Message 108

    , in reply to message 105.

    Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    At least one poster on here has indicated they may donate on the strength of what they have read here, a public service messageboard.

    And the means to do it have been handily supplied here too!

    I have worked in advertising and I can tell you that some organisations would be willing to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for campaigns just like this.

     
    If the BBC are indeed lending their support to this campaign, that is clearly their perogative.

    But I also believe this should be completely transparent to any visitors to the messageboard. 

    Hi fat_kid

    If you have an issue with the house rules, please take it up with the communities team - there's a link via the FAQs.

    The BBC are clearly not "lending their support to this campaign" but allowing debate about it on a message board.

    Tayler

  • Message 109

    , in reply to message 107.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I posted earlier than I'd intended, but I'd given up the will to live by then anyway.

    I think we'll have to adopt pink hats on this.

    You are clearly a proponent of Zionism whereas I think it is a racist idealogy which causes misery and suffering to others. I believe that people are entitled to live where they were born and not to be chased from their homes, or have their homes demolished.

    I do not believe that anyone has the right to declare that God has given them the power to dispossess or oppress other people.

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  • Message 110

    , in reply to message 108.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    At least one poster on here has indicated they may donate on the strength of what they have read here, a public service messageboard.

    And the means to do it have been handily supplied here too!

    I have worked in advertising and I can tell you that some organisations would be willing to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for campaigns just like this.

     
    If the BBC are indeed lending their support to this campaign, that is clearly their perogative.

    But I also believe this should be completely transparent to any visitors to the messageboard. 

    Hi fat_kid

    If you have an issue with the house rules, please take it up with the communities team - there's a link via the FAQs.

    The BBC are clearly not "lending their support to this campaign" but allowing debate about it on a message board.

    Tayler 
    I thought you said you have have already done that Tayler.

    Are you not speaking on their behalf in this matter?

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  • Message 111

    , in reply to message 110.

    Posted by Tayler Cresswell - Host (U14232848) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I thought you said you have have already done that Tayler.

    Are you not speaking on their behalf in this matter? 


    I have and yes, I am. But I don't make the rules, so if you have a problem with them, best to deal with them via the link in the FAQs.

    Tayler

  • Message 112

    , in reply to message 111.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    The rules look OK.

    It's how they have been interpreted here interpreted that I believe may be incorrect.

    As I explained clearly to you in message 76, which appears still to be unaddressed and now hidden from public view.

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  • Message 113

    , in reply to message 109.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I posted earlier than I'd intended, but I'd given up the will to live by then anyway. 

    Ah, I see that your post 103 has been modded completely, perhaps that's what happened. I don't know what the rest of it said but perhaps the mods must share my views on your idealogy.

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  • Message 114

    , in reply to message 112.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Apologies Tayler I've just noticed it's just been re-instated.

    Thank you.

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  • Message 115

    , in reply to message 109.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Hi Elieen. The second part of post 104 was addressed to you, but I'm afraid I didn't make it obvious.

    (BTW, how appropriate to wear a pink hat today, when people are encouraged to wear pink re breast cancer)

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  • Message 116

    , in reply to message 109.

    Posted by Davey Watts (U15237982) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Eileen I was reading your posts with interest until this:
    "You are clearly a proponent of Zionism whereas I think it is a racist idealogy which causes misery and suffering to others."

    You have used the vastly over used racist claim that completely negates your argument. Lurking just below the surface of your opinion that the poor Palestinians just wanting to harvest the simple Olive is your true anti-semitic viewpoint.

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  • Message 117

    , in reply to message 115.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Hi Carrick, sorry I missed that.

    The food and drinks were absolutely delicious.

    Tea with sage, coffee with cardamom, lemonade (freshly squeezed lemons) with caraway... lovely touches. Nice fresh pomegranate juice.

    Beautiful fresh salads with light dressings - how can you make tomato and cucumber taste so delicious? Rice with little bits of vermicelli, or with lentils, or chick peas and 'spices', of course - mind you, trying to get to the bottom of what those spices were exactly proved impossible. Lubnah, natural yoghurt, to eat with the rice. Sometimes some chicken - either barbecued or in a soupy stew... with those elusive spices, of course. Mince dishes with what looked like oversized cous cous. Makloubah - a rice dish cooked in a pot with vegetables and turned out - the trick being to keep it intact in the shape of the pot. And not forgetting the ubiquitous falafel and shwarma.

    Brekkies were good too! A meze of dishes: olives, hoummos, a sesame dip with grape syrup, za'atr - a spice mix peculiar to Palestine, I think, in which you dip bread previously dipped in the lovely olive oil, halva, aubergine dip (not called Babaganouh, but similar), boiled egg, pitta bread, lovely white sheep's cheese....

    Lemons the size of grapefruits and huge cauliflowers too - sometimes bright pink!

    I've probably missed a few things, but you get the picture.

    Food of this region is definitely my favourite!

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  • Message 118

    , in reply to message 117.

    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Thanks, Eileen. Sounds as if you were very well looked after. I think that the food that people eat tells so much about them, and also, it gives me ideas.

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  • Message 119

    , in reply to message 118.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    We had a very generous welcome, Carrick and people were very grateful that we had come to give support. It was humbling.

    Now, how to recreate those dishes? No matter how I try, I never seem to be able to get them quite right. smiley - sadface

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  • Message 120

    , in reply to message 105.

    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    At least one poster on here has indicated they may donate on the strength of what they have read here, a public service messageboard.

    And the means to do it have been handily supplied here too!

    I have worked in advertising and I can tell you that some organisations would be willing to pay hundreds of thousands of pounds for campaigns just like this.

     
    If the BBC are indeed lending their support to this campaign, that is clearly their perogative.

    But I also believe this should be completely transparent to any visitors to the messageboard. 
    f_k

    A "different" view as ever.

    What is "this" campaign to which you refer ? Are you talking about Eileen's posts or some other campaign ?

    The BBC is hardly supporting Eileen or any of the organisations to which she refers, Any more that they support those in ML who oppose (or support) gay marriage, say.

    As for transparency, well it is what it is. I find your argument very difficult to follow. I could see you taking exception to Eileen's apparent stance re Israel/Gaza etc but not the very fact she is posting about it.

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  • Message 121

    , in reply to message 118.

    Posted by Campbell in Farewell Clogs (U14226916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    >>>I think that the food that people eat tells so much about them,<<<

    deep fried Marsbar anyone? ; - )

    In the interests of discussion - I have friends who have done their time in the Israeli army. Many Israelis live lives of fear and feel they have a right to defend the country they were born in and have a strong feeling of identity with. As, of course, do the Palestinians. This is one of the definitions of 'tragedy'. 2 undisputed truths which have to somehow exist together. I don't have any answers. (No-one seems to.)

    David Grossman tries to write his own way out of the dilemma in his books - he doesn't claim to succeed, but he tries. I've just read 'To the end of the Land', about a mother who fears for her son when he volunteers to to an extra stint in a 'military campagne' after he has been officially discharged. It's a story of mother love. (To be honest I found there was a bit too much detail about the childhood years of her sons - I don't find small children particularly interesting myself...)

    I'm suddenly reminded of that song by ... Sting?
    'Let's hope the Russians love their children too.'


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  • Message 122

    , in reply to message 120.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I believe all will become crystal clear to you if you go back and follow the posts from #51, DB.

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  • Message 123

    , in reply to message 122.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Post #76 is the one that really should explain it properly for you DB.

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  • Message 124

    , in reply to message 123.

    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Post #76 is the one that really should explain it properly for you DB.  I read the whole thread and 76 before I posted. My post still stands !

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  • Message 125

    , in reply to message 79.

    Posted by marjoriehazeldene (U14735036) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    The BBC info may be out of date.
    How many roadblocks do you think there are in the West Bank? Hundreds? No -the number of roadblocks was reduced from 44 in 2008 to 10 in 2012, most of which are normally open.
    www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/H...

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  • Message 126

    , in reply to message 101.

    Posted by marjoriehazeldene (U14735036) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Meanwhile,60 rockets are being fired at Israeli towns,aimed at civilians,invariably at school time. 

    With F_K cautioning us all to beware of how we interpret things we read online, I would add to that with regard to unsubstantiated information, or that lacking context or citation, as above.

    UN OCHA Protection of Civilians Weekly Report (10-16 October) provides more balanced info, including that about Israeli military strikes on civilians and gives the following stats:

    Palestinian casualties by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip:
    Killed this week: 5 Killed in 2012: 62
    Injured this week: 5 Injured in 2012: 277

    2012 weekly average of injured: 8
    2011 weekly average of injured: 9

    Israeli casualties by Palestinian fire from Gaza
    Injured this week: 0
    Killed in 2012: 1
    Injured in 2012: 18

    reliefweb.int/sites/...


    And, in case anyone isn't aware, the situation in the Gaza Strip is very different from the West Bank and these two areas of Palestinian populations are geographically separated.  
    This information is simply not true. There have been several Israeli casualties this week. On Tuesday a soldier was critically injured by a roadside bomb. And on Wednesday morning Over 70 rockets have been fired from Gaza into southern Israel since Wednesday morning (Oct 24). Five civilians were wounded, two of them critically. The Iron Dome system intercepted seven rockets aimed at major Israeli cities. www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/T... .

    What is revealing here is the poster’s moral equivalence between the Gazan deaths (all targeted militants) and the Israeli casualties – nearly all civilians. A blinkered approach that can’t distinguish between terrorists randomly lobbing lethal missiles at Israeli towns & kibbutzim (the only reason that the casualty toll isn’t higher is Israel’s rigorous civil defence procedures) and Israel targeting those who are firing missiles at its civilians.

    And don’t blame it on “the occupation” when there are no Israelis in Gaza. Had the Gazans wanted peace, Israel would have been only too happy to meet them - sadly the Gazans are the architects of their own blockade. But after Israel’s withdrawal in 2005, the rocket attacks continued with growing intensity. However truckloads of goods pass daily through the crossings and, according to Reuters, the new iphone is selling well in Gaza.

    Meanwhile Gazans (and West Bank Arabs) continue to receive medical treatment in Israeli hospitals. A mother from Gaza is home with a healthy baby thanks to Israeli doctors in Kfar Sava, after a complicated surgery. Jian Abu Agram, 31, already had lost three babies to rare birth defects at Egyptian hospitals.www.israelnationalne... 4 Gaza children get Israeli kidney treatment. The four kids, nephrology patients suffering from kidney insufficiency, have been hospitalized for several months in the Children's Hospital at Rambam Health Care Campus, where they have been receiving lifesaving therapy while awaiting kidney transplants.
    www.haifadiarist.blo...

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  • Message 127

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by marjoriehazeldene (U14735036) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    I always wondered if there was anything more positive to be done, other than boycotting Israeli goods. This programme sounds really excellent. Hats off to you, m'dear!  How vexing that the European Parliament has passed the ACAA this week., making it easier to import Israeli pharmaceuticals into the EU. This means that European consumers will now have access to the best and most affordable healthcare. For example Teva Pharmaceuticals makes Copaxone, the world’s top selling treatment for multiple sclerosis.

    I do hope that you are conscientious about this boycott. Can I make some recommendations to help ensure consistency:

    Step 1. Remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel.
    Any computers running the Windows XT operating system must be turned off immediately as this was developed in Israel. All current Microsoft operating systems are not to be used as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre.
    Step 2. Any computers that still work need to have their anti-virus software and personal firewalls removed as this technology originated in Israel. No outgoing emails can be sent because the algorithm (code) that’s used today for sending e-mails, was made by an Israeli who worked at the Ben-Gurion University in Be’er-Sheva in 1980.
    Step 3. Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, where the first mobile phones were manufactured. Mobile chip technology from a single Israeli company has now been installed in over 100 million devices. The use of SMS (Texting) is forbidden as this facility was developed in Israel. No 4G devices can be used, as the chipset is Israeli.
    Step 4. Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages as Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system.
    Step 5. Do not use Facebook as many in-built and add-on applications are Israeli-developed. Do not watch videos on the Internet as the platform used to upload them may be from AOL and hence from an Israeli company. Do not use the Internet to search for answers to your questions as this may involve use of an Israeli-developed search engine.

    I suggest that you contact paralysed marathon walker Claire Lomas and advise her to give up wearing her Re-Walk suit as it’s another Israeli invention.

    So much more to boycott but that’ll do for starters.




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  • Message 128

    , in reply to message 100.

    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    fat-kid, have you actually read any of the links that you are complaining about?

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  • Message 129

    , in reply to message 126.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    This information is simply not true 

    Yes, it is - see report date. There is now a later report online which records the casualties you cite. It would probably be more realistic for people to look at casualty rates over a period of time and these clearly show that Palestinians suffer more with regard to fatalities as well as injuries.

    Whilst I condemn all violence, I think it's a bit rich to talk about "randomly lobbing lethal missiles at Israeli towns & kibbutzim" and "Israel targeting those who are firing missiles at its civilians" when:

    a) Israel is using extremely sophisticated military equipment compared with shoulder held rocket devices which are primitive and therefore cannot target anyone, and
    b) given the sophisticated equipment Israel uses, it is difficult to understand how so many civilians have been killed in Gaza, and how schools and UN buildings have been targeted (eg in Operation Cast Lead).


    It's a real shame that a thread which was started to talk about a peaceful project which gives hope to beleaguered farmers and supports them to plant and harvest their crops has been hijacked by those who want to turn the conversation to conflict and who try to portray as a victim one of the most well-armed and aggressive countries in the world.

    Some facts about the State of Israel:
    It is a country which oppresses the population it occupies, operates an apartheid system, and which refuses to abide by international law and human rights conventions.
    It is a country which has been castigated for its detention, torture and treatment of children.
    It is a country which tries to convince outsiders that it wants peace, but continues to steal and develop land from those who have documents showing ownership going back many years.
    It is a country which encourages and gives economic advantage to those who have homes in various parts of the world to come and live in developments built in colonies on stolen land - land illegally occupied under international law.
    At the same time stealing water and resources of the indigenous population to fill swimming pools in these illegal cities, and make water parks, and have the audacity to erect fountains with doves of peace near to ancient olive trees which have been uprooted and stolen from Palestinian land.
    It erects polluting factories in the occupied territories; factories which are so polluting that when the wind blows towards Israel the factories are closed in case the toxic vapours give their citizens cancer.

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  • Message 130

    , in reply to message 127.

    Posted by sweet-rocket (U11357111) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Didn't you post this before? Seems to be a spamming outbreak on this thread.

    The boycott refers to supermarket produce because that's the stuff that's likely to have come from illegal settlements, not Pentium chips. There's a land/crops connection, do y'see?

    Anyway, well done the Co-Op:

    "The Co-operative Group has become the first major European supermarket group to end trade with companies that export produce from illegal Israeli settlements.

    The UK's fifth biggest food retailer and its largest mutual business, the Co-op took the step as an extension of its existing policy which had been not to source produce from illegal settlements that have been built on Palestinian territories in the West bank.

    Now the retail and insurance giant has taken it one step further by "no longer engaging with any supplier of produce known to be sourcing from the Israeli settlements"."

    www.guardian.co.uk/w...

    The decision will hit four companies and contracts worth some £350,000. But the Co-op stresses this is not an Israeli boycott and that its contracts will go to other companies inside Israel that can guarantee they don't export from illegal settlements.

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  • Message 131

    , in reply to message 129.

    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Eileen

    I think you need to step back from your post and reflect too. As you say, the thread started around a pretty uncontroversial act of helping some farmers. Some wanted to make an issue of this as a political act or imply it supports terrorism/evil doing or is somehow a naive act. And thus the division and rowing started.

    I think the issue is, "What can be done to help ?" and "Where do we go from here ?. It is very easy to get dragged into the partisan issues and history - which has to be addressed. But the YMCA effort is a simple peaceful act in the midst of madness. I think it helps us focus on practical , small acts.

    Rise above it all. Clearly not all Palestinians are terrorists not deserving of the conditions under which they live. Neither are all Israeli's overbearing army types.

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  • Message 132

    , in reply to message 131.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Neither are all Israeli's overbearing army types. 

    Indeed. And nowhere have I ever said or intimated this. My comments are about the Israeli state and I stand by them. An injustice is occurring and I don't think we should turn our eyes away from it.

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  • Message 133

    , in reply to message 130.

    Posted by marjoriehazeldene (U14735036) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Didn't you post this before? Seems to be a spamming outbreak on this thread.

    The boycott refers to supermarket produce because that's the stuff that's likely to have come from illegal settlements, not Pentium chips. There's a land/crops connection, do y'see?

    Anyway, well done the Co-Op:

    "The Co-operative Group has become the first major European supermarket group to end trade with companies that export produce from illegal Israeli settlements.

    The UK's fifth biggest food retailer and its largest mutual business, the Co-op took the step as an extension of its existing policy which had been not to source produce from illegal settlements that have been built on Palestinian territories in the West bank.

    Now the retail and insurance giant has taken it one step further by "no longer engaging with any supplier of produce known to be sourcing from the Israeli settlements"."

    www.guardian.co.uk/w...

    The decision will hit four companies and contracts worth some £350,000. But the Co-op stresses this is not an Israeli boycott and that its contracts will go to other companies inside Israel that can guarantee they don't export from illegal settlements.  
    it doesn't actually. The post I replied to referred to boycotting "Israeli" not "settlement" goods. And the Co-op is boycotting all the produce of the 4 companies although most of it comes from Israel "proper" - even the produce of Palestinian farmers that these companies are helping to distribute.

    Anyway, with a massive loss posted this year, the Co-op should concentrate on improving its business and not boycotting selectively in this way. I wonder why they are targeting Israel. And not Syria or China (in occupation of Tibet) etc etc . There are lots of other countries one could disagree with.

    For my part, I'm against all boycotts as they hurt ordinary people and not governments.

    Seems to me that what you refer to is "boycott-lite" i.e. boycott only when it suits one and doesn't cause any inconvenience. Do you think about where pharmaceuticals emanate from?

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  • Message 134

    , in reply to message 132.

    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Eileen

    I would tend to agree with you and the settlements are juts outrageous. However, if you want a punch-up thread (and we've had a few on this topic) then point the finger and accuse. I suppose if you want to discuss moving to a different way of looking at this it has to be via positive ideas.

    The Co-op's move seems very reasoned and well thought through.

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  • Message 135

    , in reply to message 133.

    Posted by Boneman (U14746456) on Friday, 26th October 2012

    Marj

    Boycotts are never comprehensive and intellectual property rights and licenced goods always being a problem.

    Yes. They are making a statement on behalf of their ethical customer base and employees. Now you can boycott the Coop.

    The settlements are clearly illegal and wrong. They don't help. It seems reasonable to make a stand. Some did the same with South Africa on fruit. Did it damage them. May be not but it sends a very clear message.

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  • Message 136

    , in reply to message 89.

    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 137

    , in reply to message 106.

    Posted by Roberttrebor (U2337319) on Saturday, 27th October 2012

    It is not supposed to stop terrorists about to launch rockets or carry out the euphemistically named "operations"?
    Any other country in the world would react just as Israel does,but,I suspect,with less restraint. 


    Yes I know during the IRA campain in the 1970's and 80's we were always bombing the falls road with our jet aircraft..

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  • Message 138

    , in reply to message 124.

    Posted by fat_kid (U1705916) on Saturday, 27th October 2012

    Post #76 is the one that really should explain it properly for you DB.  I read the whole thread and 76 before I posted. My post still stands !  Then the only conclusion I can draw is that you have failed to understand it properly.

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