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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Tom's got twice Pat's brains.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Part's got principles.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    A juicy dilemma rather well set up over the last weeks, and set to blow, I'd say. It's been coming for a long time. Generational thing - like us and Twitter?

    Must a lot of farmers who went organic now feeling major draught with margins slipping and organic outlets becoming scarily niche. They could well be thinking about their options.

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    Posted by Leastsaidsoonestmended (U15071051) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    I can't see how they can run a business if they can't have a calm, objective discussion weighing up all the options, without Pat resorting to emotional blackmail. Tom has just creased himself to allow them a holiday, collected them from the airport so they can have an easy return home and tried to avoid discussing new ideas until they had rested. He only floated the idea after Pat and Tony had kept asking about his progress and then tried to put the brakes on. It astounds me they are still in business if they are so incapable of anything other than sitting tight or back-pedalling.

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    Posted by acebass (U3133653) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    2 x 0 = ?

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    Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    to allow them a holiday  He and Helen got together, said to each other, "We want to inherit the farm!" and told their parents to buy the farm.

    Neither of the offspring had enough money to put any meaningful amount into their own kitty for the deposit, and there has been _no_ mention of them ever contributing to the mortgage, indeed Helen went and paid rent for another flat, and Tom paid rent for a house - so their outgoings would not seem to suppose either could put any meaningful amount into the pot.

    And, indeed, Helen took a whole year's maternity leaver on Full Pay, and now works only 3 days a week at the shop, so presumably is on half pay.

    So, it seems that "allowing" the owners of the business for which he works (though he and Helen "are on the check-book" or whatever they said, we have never heard *on* *air* that they are equal partners (Keri Davies once said, if we don't hear it on the programme, it has not happened - I think in reply to the posts about Hilda being dead in TBOTA, but then re-dying)) to have a holiday seems to be a nonsense.

    They can take holidays whenever the hell they like. If Tom does not want to do one morning milking which Plippy Ploppy didn't do, they can pay someone else. They do not need his permission for what they do on their farm.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by JustJanie - Fairweather Strider (U10822512) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Rosie, I'm so glad you're back. If only for a short while.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Thank you, Janie, but mike is back tomorrow night (if he survived the safari trip today) so it's only for another day....

    I have been so tempted to reply to several posts, what the lovely homeless chap used to grumble at the people in the Clapton Post Office: "It's people like you, make Jesus no come back."

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by bob larkin (U2297537) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Where have they been on holiday? I seem to have missed it - a combination of boredom and total lack of interest.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    I mean my partner, mike, who is playing chess in The Gambia.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by steve (U15604934) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Part's got principles.  Principles don't pay the bills.
    Anyway its good to have a SL that involves a farm on TA.

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Wednesday, 20th February 2013

    Part's got principles.  The only principles that PolPat has are self-preservation, venality and shifting the blame. She' s a disgrace.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I don't know whether I'm amazed this post got as many comments as it did, or disappointed that people missed my Porridge reference.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Hear hear Rosy - there was a lot of shouting from many posters when Pat and Tony *asked* Tom if they could go away on holiday ..

    As for their argument this evening - it was Tom's *voice* which got me - sooooo patronising ..

    I think in any case the argument wasn't about his business paying its way - it was about him expanding it ..On many similar occasions in the past his "business acumen" resulted in him having to be rescued ..
    JPBS

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I don't know whether I'm amazed this post got as many comments as it did, or disappointed that people missed my Porridge reference.  Ah - I knew I recognised it from somewhere ..

    It was absolutely *made* for Tom ....
    JPBS

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    2 x 0 = ?  My thoughts exactly!

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    On many similar occasions in the past his "business acumen" resulted in him having to be rescued  Many? I think /every/...

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    On many similar occasions in the past his "business acumen" resulted in him having to be rescued  Many? I think /every/...  Yes he is suffering from the selective memory syndrome I fear.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Rosie An excellent, concise, accurate, summary of what Pat and Tony have done for that arrogant, self regarding, selfish, self pitying, money grabbing, boring, humourless, twerp. If he as an extra brain over Pat, its just as worthless as his other one.

    We have missed you. Stay around till the end, why don't you.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Top post, Rosie. I wish Pat had pointed out to him that he had failed in business and came runnning back to them so button it.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Mysterious (U14144861) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I am surprised Pat speaks to Tom the way she does. He has just held the business together whilst they took a holiday with hardly one word from Helen. I do quite like Tom and he has always been very reliable. Maybe it is time to leave the family to paddle their own canoe Tom and just get on and do what you have to do.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Top post, Rosie. I wish Pat had pointed out to him that he had failed in business and came runnning back to them so button it.  He forgets he's had others finance him each time he's had a new venture,and who was there to pick up the pieces??

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I am surprised Pat speaks to Tom the way she does. He has just held the business together whilst they took a holiday with hardly one word from Helen. I do quite like Tom and he has always been very reliable. Maybe it is time to leave the family to paddle their own canoe Tom and just get on and do what you have to do.  I'd love to see Tom split from Bridge Farm to paddle his own canoe.

    Given that he's failed and had to be financially bailed out umpty times by the family before, I think I can predict who in a year or two's time is still going to be paddling along and who's going to have plummeted over the weir with a sausage-curdling cry of 'it's not fair'.

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I am surprised Pat speaks to Tom the way she does. He has just held the business together whilst they took a holiday with hardly one word from Helen. I do quite like Tom and he has always been very reliable. Maybe it is time to leave the family to paddle their own canoe Tom and just get on and do what you have to do.  I'd love to see Tom split from Bridge Farm to paddle his own canoe.

    Given that he's failed and had to be financially bailed out umpty times by the family before, I think I can predict who in a year or two's time is still going to be paddling along and who's going to have plummeted over the weir with a sausage-curdling cry of 'it's not fair'.

     
    Just so Tadders that would certainly give him a taste of reality,just what he needs the snotty little swineheard!!!

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Leastsaidsoonestmended (U15071051) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    When I said "allow", I meant as in "enable", not as in "permission".

    I agree with all the rest of your post, Rosie but I do think the four of them should be able to have calm, practical discussions, considering different ideas. If they were all able to throw in different ideas and discuss the pros and cons, Tom and Helen might be a bit more aware of the hard realities and someone might come up with something workable such as vegetarian ready-meals. Instead, anything Tom suggests triggers and emotional outburst and everyone is fed-up and aggrieved.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by waslantana (U15073790) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I suspect Tom is probably right on this occasion, on the benefits of stressing local sourcing over organics, but he is still loathsome. As Rosie says, Pat and Tony have gone to considerable financial lengths to give Tom and, worse, the waste of space that is Helen, a secure future.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Leastsaidsoonestmended (U15071051) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    He might be or he might not.

    It might be better to concentrate on a larger quantity of a narrower range of pork based meals and also do some vegetarian options while increasing their own herd, thus giving more custom to Neil and possibly some extra hours to someone else like Ed or Eddy with a more gradual expansion and less financial risk.

    However, we will never know because Pat-I'm-not-listening has her eyes lightly shut and her fingers in her ears, only opening them enough to say,
    "There, there Tony! Every-thing is fine - nothing to worry your fragile brain with! Don't be so insensitive, Tom!"

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    [Maybe it is time to leave the family to paddle their own canoe Tom and just get on and do what you have to do.]

    Yep, and redraw up whatever the arrangement is that ensures he and Helen get the farm when they die, so he doesn't. Or tell him he has to pay a half share of the mortgage that they took on so they could buy the farm so he could inherit it.

    As Rosie so ably set out, Tom (and Helen) have /never/ 'paddled their own canoe' and have been the beneficiaries of Pat and Tony's hard work, from Helen having the Ambridge Organics shop leased by her parents so she had something to do, to them giving her premises in which to fiddle about with her cheeses (I would love to know quite how much income that enterprise brings into the communal family business) to encouraging Tom to do his thing, with him having the security of knowing that whatever happened, he would eventually get a half share of the farm, which is being bought on a mortgage, taken out relatively late in their lives, by his parents, at the urging of him and his sister.

    Neither Tom nor his sister would have had a clue how to make it in the world on t heir own (Tom even had a conveniently well off granny to give him a loan ). So perhaps it is time Tom cut his links with Bridge Farm, as I said, including not inheriting it.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I'm hoping Pat turns out to be a traditionalist about inheritance. Surviving issue of eldest son…




    (If this /doesn't/ become an issue, BTW, I shall be very cross. Why else introduce the Rich scenario?)

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Ontarian (U2082678) on Friday, 22nd February 2013

    < people missed my Porridge reference >

    Had you said 'charmless half-Celtic nerk' (what with Pat being Welsh'n'all) I would have got it immediately!! (Sorry, Bash)

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Friday, 22nd February 2013

    I am surprised Pat speaks to Tom the way she does. He has just held the business together whilst they took a holiday with hardly one word from Helen. I do quite like Tom and he has always been very reliable. Maybe it is time to leave the family to paddle their own canoe Tom and just get on and do what you have to do.  "Held the business together" seems a bit strong. He dealt with milking and vegetable picking and packing, while Helen apparently unlocked the dairy each morning and locked it again after Clarrie and Susan had finished working. I think any competent, reliable farm worker could probably have successfully kept things ticking along for a week, he didn't exactly solve any crises while his folks were gone.

    Tom has such a very different idea of how he'd like to run a business than his parents do, that going into partnership was probably the worst business mistake they ever made. They've bought into the fallacy that just because you're family, you must by default be people who share a common vision and are hardwired to work well together. I think they'd all be a lot happier if, instead of getting a mortgage for Bridge Farm, they'd cosigned a loan for him to get his own sperate farm nearby where he could be all innovative, while his parents stayed all organic and small-and-family-run on their farm. Helen, of course, would stay with her parents because she's spent her life leeching off them and has never shown an interest in changing her ways.

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