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  • Message 51

    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by Paul D Otherone (U15615545) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Hullo, Teddy/Penny. I'd like to say again that you were great on Feedback. I too have worked in marketing and know that companies spend fortunes on focus groups to get at the kind of reactions and opinions any BBC person could get instantly from this board.

    But the response you got to your questions wasn't just poor, it was disdainful. I'm still spitting nails at the idea that I and listeners like me can be made happy by museum repeats of Desert Island Discs and Alastair Cooke.

    While I've been listening to TA since my mid-twenties I stopped listening to Desert Island Discs thirty years ago. It's a worn-out idea and should have died quietly with Roy Plumley. And I've always loathed Alastair Cooke's combination of golf, jazz, American propaganda and sexism. Increasingly, indeed, I'm falling out of love with Radio 4, with its endless science programmes, issue-based plays, unfunny comedy, and pointless 15 minute fillers.

    It seems the powers that manage the station have decided that its listeners are simply not zeitgeisty enough overall. There may be more people over sixty in this country than ever before, and a lot of them may be - heaven help us - middle class, but there's no longer a need to provide a service they can enjoy. And as for the fact that some young people might, as I once did, decide they were fed up with pop music and wanted something intelligent to listen to - well that doesn't even cross the BBC's radar.

    Disdain for your consumers is the ultimate sin so far as any other product is concerned. The BBC does not sit in a position where it can afford this - the licence fee is perpetually under threat. Yet disdainful the organisation still is. The non-interactive Head of Interactivity illustrates this perfectly. 
    I don't understand how repeats of Desert Island Discs and Letter From America can be considered as an alternative to the messageboard regardless of the age of the people participating in the message board.

    Am I missing something?

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  • Message 52

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by RosieT (U2224719) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Am I missing something?  Don't think it's got legs.

    {{{huugggsss}}}

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  • Message 53

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by sidney-rabbit (U3845117) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Monsieur D'Otherone (how big are the bells by the way?) I don't understand either. You must ask the Head of Interactivity. He's the one who seems to think they'll keep us happy.

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  • Message 54

    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    >>>While I've been listening to TA since my mid-twenties I stopped listening to Desert Island Discs thirty years ago. It's a worn-out idea and should have died quietly with Roy Plumley. And I've always loathed Alastair Cooke's combination of golf, jazz, American propaganda and sexism. <<<

    haha how very true

    Great post s-r

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  • Message 55

    , in reply to message 53.

    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I'd love to know what research he based his decision on to spend the money in this way. Was it just an assumption that everybody over 45 who listens to Radio 4 must drink cocoa and drool over Alastair Cooke and Roy Plomley? If you're listening, Mr. Smith, (and I think we know you're not) could you give us the business case please.

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  • Message 56

    , in reply to message 55.

    Posted by sidney-rabbit (U3845117) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I'd love to know too, Penny. You'll note that ancient repeats of Desert Island Discs are used as a lure to convert us to Digital and Radio 4 Extra. Do you think 4 Extra might be seen as a kind of gulag for non-zietgeisty listeners, just as Radio Two was designed as a refuge for them when Radio One finally started broadcasting real pop records in the sixties?

    A long time ago I was part of a listeners' panel researching reactions to Radio 4 programmes. But you couldn't post about a programme if you hadn't listened to it and there was no space to indicate why you hadn't listened - as if missing Desert Island Discs, for instance, was due to not being near a radio at the time, rather than that you hated the programme.

    I don't think the BBC has ever been interested in critical views. Feedback, as you know all too well, just bears that out. If listeners complain that's because they're wrong.

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  • Message 57

    , in reply to message 54.

    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    It has to be somebody very interesting for me to listen to DID these days. I've hardly heard of anybody on the programme recently. I'd sooner listen to private Passions which follows it on Radio 3 even if I can't understand many of the things Michael Berkley says and I sometimes wonder if his guests do either. However it doesn't even attempt to target the under 25s.

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  • Message 58

    , in reply to message 55.

    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    Just adding my thanks for your valiant efforts on Feedback. I knew the bloke was Squire, but I didn't know who you were. It sounded like a badly briefed teenager arguing with two well informed adults. Unfortunately the teenager is the interactive editor.

    Feedback recorded a long complaint of mine about the Brief Encounter fiasco and then only gave me a one line soundbite - chiz! At least I got a laugh out of it because I'd signed my complaint Freda Fry, and as I was walking round Asda the lady rang and asked to speak to Freda!

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  • Message 59

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I'd love to know too, Penny. You'll note that ancient repeats of Desert Island Discs are used as a lure to convert us to Digital and Radio 4 Extra. Do you think 4 Extra might be seen as a kind of gulag for non-zietgeisty listeners, just as Radio Two was designed as a refuge for them when Radio One finally started broadcasting real pop records in the sixties?

    A long time ago I was part of a listeners' panel researching reactions to Radio 4 programmes. But you couldn't post about a programme if you hadn't listened to it and there was no space to indicate why you hadn't listened - as if missing Desert Island Discs, for instance, was due to not being near a radio at the time, rather than that you hated the programme.

    I don't think the BBC has ever been interested in critical views. Feedback, as you know all too well, just bears that out. If listeners complain that's because they're wrong. 
    Totally agree with you Sidney and your excellent post no 49.I found the DID reference MOST insulting fromthat young whipersnapper!!!

    I belong to a media panel -tv and radio and as you say you can only comment on what you actually watch/hear and NOT say why you may have avoided a programme.

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  • Message 60

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    and there was that Westway one too 

    I liked Westway. But closing that was a different thing - it was the move of making the World Service not a BBC radio station that people (including Brits abroad) who wanted to stay in touch with Britain and British culture listened to but an "international station". They stopped broadcasting Brain of Britain or Round Britain quiz too.

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  • Message 61

    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    < Disdain for your consumers is the ultimate sin so far as any other product is concerned. The BBC does not sit in a position where it can afford this - the licence fee is perpetually under threat. Yet disdainful the organisation still is. The non-interactive Head of Interactivity illustrates this perfectly. >

    Here, here, Sidders!

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  • Message 62

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    And the charter / licence come sup for review in 2017?

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  • Message 63

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by Fan_Noli (U3202365) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    I don't understand how repeats of Desert Island Discs and Letter From America can be considered as an alternative to the messageboard regardless of the age of the people participating in the message board. 

    As Desert Island Discs has been going since 1942 and Letter From America began in 1946, one would have thought that the concern of the Head of In(ter)activity would be with a demographic who are now beyond the reach of even the most sophisticated modern technology...

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  • Message 64

    , in reply to message 49.

    Posted by kaydee (U14588617) on Thursday, 21st February 2013

    For whatever reason the BBC threw Nigel Smith to the Lions surely knowing full well he would get a mauling he is unlikely ever to forget. Whether his career survives remains to be seen.

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  • Message 65

    , in reply to message 64.

    Posted by returnmigration (U14260026) on Sunday, 24th February 2013



    'Nigel Smith' clearly isnt his real name.

    Its That Stupid Woman thinking she's being oh so clever by combining 'Nigel' and an everyman surname. Silly cow.

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  • Message 66

    , in reply to message 64.

    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Sunday, 24th February 2013

    BBC staff whose incompetence is exposed in public often are rewarded with well-paid jobs (sorry, 'roles') - try googling "boaden"

    jp

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  • Message 67

    , in reply to message 64.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 24th February 2013

    "Just because you shot Jesse James, doesn't make you Jesse James", said Walter White on Breaking Bad and made me think of John Lennon, President Kennedy and Mustardland.

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