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  • Message 51

    , in reply to message 42.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Firstly I want to thank you all very much for your kind and appreciative remarks; I feel knighted now. It's like the cool kids talked to me and in a good way...

    @Sylvee
    "One of the reasons given for throwing the toys out of the pram is that reflections on these boards have moved away from discussing the programme.

    Have you any thoughts on that?"

    I have very many thoughts on that, but am afraid it will end in agit prop, so to make a lenghthy viewpoint as short as I can (and I promise to add a little anecdote to lighten the mood in the end):
    It hasn't anything to do with anything anyone wrote or didn't write and I strongly suspect the people involved in that decision have never taken the time to read any of this. The argument you cite is a figue leaf - if that expression exists in the UK - otherwise it's just a silly thing people say when they don't want to say "oh, I don't want to argue with you, luckily I don't have to, being the one with the longer lever, so I give you something you can use to accuse each other, while I get on with the other toys".

    Mustardland, as the whole cultural-, health- and educational sector has been captured by the highfinance if it comes down to it. The leftovers of the shifts that were called the crisis are not enough to sustain the cultural humanitarian accomplishments humankind has created, and so vast has the turn of the values been, that now in any sector the question for immediate revenue can be asked without causing outrage or laughter.
    Arts, music, philosophy, all those have become redundant and apparently so has the former strong democratic claim of inclusion of opposed oppinions. Economical arguments have infiltrated our minds and even the Beep has felt this shift.
    The people to do with culture are nowdays only in exception artists or philantrophists, but being a manager has become part of their self perception. The beauty of these boards is not an argument to spend money anymore. If there was still the political will to keep the boards and discuss the programm creatively, a step towards the members of Mustardland could have been made.
    Phew. I could go on forever. Possibly to make up for all the years of lurking.

    Anyway, here comes the promised anecdote:
    Once late in the evening in a smokey cantine (those places still exist) a theater director rather drunkely lulled in my ear "that chief dramaturgue? She gets on with the people in the finance department. That's not right, is it? No, it's not, don't say anything, it's not. You're right: I will have to sack her." Half a year later she was gone and was exchanged for a lazy, greedy bastard (who never got on with the finance department because he embezzeled as much of the theaters funds as he could). So unfortunately the action did not have a happy ending but I think his impulse was right, even if I wasn't sure at the time.
    ---------------

    Is it true, that my post, that I promised to post somewhere has now already been posted?

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  • Message 52

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    PS: I have of course signed the petition.
    And thank you for the link to the new site.

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  • Message 53

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Interbeton do you know you have made me think in a different light...

    Oh and heck yeah the board was really something wasn't it...? Odd weird, infuriating by turns but we came togetter from so many places. mostly drawn by the TA

    That TA that I am too young to ever ever be eccentric enough to admit to a friend that I listen(ed) to........


    Well they lost that

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  • Message 54

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by villageschoolmaam (U11233398) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Lovely post, thank you for de-lurking. You are so right. They're not even selling the family silver, they're chucking it out of the window of a speeding car.

    vsm xx

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  • Message 55

    , in reply to message 53.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Oh, it certainly was. Reading these posts was like listening in on a particularly diverse families well oiled debate about their neighbours. I loved it.
    I think you could own up to TA. It has cult potential.

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  • Message 56

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    inberton, yes, Eileen has posted it at 163 on Nigel Smith's later blog, at www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/....

    And I have sent it to the email address of the Director General of the BBC, though whether he will read it or not, who knows. I explained where it came from, so he can't think it is from anyone but you.

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  • Message 57

    , in reply to message 56.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Thank you, Chris Ghoti. I am not worried about my authors rights, just happy someone did it for me.

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  • Message 58

    , in reply to message 56.

    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Wow! What a brilliant post and the subsequent ones.

    Thank you.

    I think they should be forwarded to VW as well.

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  • Message 59

    , in reply to message 55.

    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Oh, it certainly was. Reading these posts was like listening in on a particularly diverse families well oiled debate about their neighbours. I loved it.
    I think you could own up to TA. It has cult potential.
     
    No more interbelton......... we laughed about how addictive it could be..........

    But there is absolutely no way someone my age would ever admit to being a TA listner... not where I live.......... even I am not yet eccentric enough to carry that one off

    If you didn't take the MB seriously ignored the fractious or love bombed them...... I think we did more good than harm........

    I just flitted an enjoyed a place that never made me feel stupid and generally someone got my jokes

    Do they have no idea how good that is as a place?

    I could in all seriousness discuss the Ed, Emm, Will triangle without someone laughing at me????

    If that is not the definition of a safe space for your fans I don't know what is...?

    Oh and one more thing... I grew up in a small village and trust me it took generations to live down gossip............ TA is deluded if they cut off reality

    Gone though

    Gone
    Gone
    Gone

    I don't want to twitter or facebook.... I want to post as the mood suits me and do they not value that instant reaction?

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  • Message 60

    , in reply to message 56.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    inberton, yes, Eileen has posted it at 163 on Nigel Smith's later blog, at www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    Thanks Chris and my apologies inberton - it was very rude of me to take your post and put it elsewhere without even telling you where I'd reposted it! Sorry.

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  • Message 61

    , in reply to message 60.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Oh no, not at all, thank you for doing it. I had promised to do it tonight and am positively surprised to see that it has happened already, rather like Heinzelmännchen.

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  • Message 62

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by Purbeck (U14810240) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Oh no, not at all, thank you for doing it. I had promised to do it tonight and am positively surprised to see that it has happened already, rather like Heinzelmännchen.
     
    Don't annoy the gnomes!

    Fantastic posting interbeton.
    You should have spoken before.

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  • Message 63

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Heinzelmännchen 

    I had to look that up. What a delightful tale.

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  • Message 64

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by PhyllisDoris (U2224329) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Heinzelmännchen. 

    Lovely, I've learned a new word tonight!

    And, like everyone else, I would like to thank you for your wonderfully eloquent appreciation of this place.

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  • Message 65

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    What a wonderful post, interbeton. Thank you so much.

    And how sad, again, I feel that all this is being lost. Such a valuable thing, trashed. So silly.

    I'm not sure I can feel as hopeful as you for the medium, given this wanton destruction of, as you say, something others would give their right arm for.

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  • Message 66

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Oh... I think that legend is related to the one Beatrix Potter mined for "The Tailor of Gloucester".

    There is a person in England called "Lob-Lie-By-The-Fire" who will do all the work of the farmhouse so long as he is left in peace in the embers and not disturbed. e doesn't like to be seen.

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  • Message 67

    , in reply to message 61.

    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    it has happened already, rather like Heinzelmännchen.  Wonderful! Just learning that has made Mustard's Last Stand worthwhile.


    Now we have just a week in which to keep the mods busy with references to "die Heinzelmännchen der Ambrücke". ; -)



    (Feel free to correct my grammar - it's been a very long time, and I'd like to get it right!)

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  • Message 68

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Brilliant thread. The best.

    Has made me sad all over again again.

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  • Message 69

    , in reply to message 65.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013


    And how sad, again, I feel that all this is being lost. Such a valuable thing, trashed. So silly.

    I'm not sure I can feel as hopeful as you for the medium, given this wanton destruction of, as you say, something others would give their right arm for.  
    It is rather dreary.
    If even existing well functioning structures are given up as easily.

    I wonder if it was possible to take over the structure as a whole. They are after all just data on two servers, aren't they? How hard could it be to let them handle by different people and write some sort of disclaimer on top of the page? If the BBC doesn't want it anymore, couldn't they give it to someone who does, in the spirit of recycling?

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  • Message 70

    , in reply to message 67.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    it has happened already, rather like Heinzelmännchen.  "die Heinzelmännchen der Ambrücke". (Feel free to correct my grammar - it's been a very long time, and I'd like to get it right!)  

    Alright, remember, you wanted it: I think ideally it would be "die Heinzelmännchen /von/ Ambrücke" if Ambrücke was a place.
    Which reminds me, I had once made a very feeble attempt of delurking calling myself "don't-mention-the-war"

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  • Message 71

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Yes - of course! What was I thinking of? Stupid mistake (And me an unrepentant Wagnerian…)

    So, for this last week, I think all the Ambridge Fairies should be replaced by migrant workers. Let's keep the mods busy ; -)

    Anyone care to offer a Polish equivalent? Or Hungarian? Debbie /must/ be able to send a few to help with the megadairy.

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  • Message 72

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I had once made a very feeble attempt of delurking calling myself "don't-mention-the-war"  I think you got away with it… : -)


    Mind you, the list of things that never get mentioned in TA has been a recurring theme on these boards.

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  • Message 73

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by redella (U15619783) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    A love letter from a notorios lurker.

    I have been lurking for about six years, and only recently posted the odd comment.
    I am not a native speaker, so I always felt a bit unable to be in any way as brillant as a lot of posters here are. I actually laugh in front of the [thing that you look on when using the PC]. I think about politics, radiodrama and ways to view life and have found the board utterly inspiring.

    I have relationships with quite a few of you (yeah, creepy), in that I almost expect certain comments, regard views of some of you in surprise, I might even be disappointed with someone for reacting one way and not the other...
    For being my invisible friends, I want to thank those of you, who knew for a long time to snide and congratulate, love or hate The Archers. Those who took such painstake in annoying me or finding such articulate reasons for what I also vaguely might have thought.
    Thank you all!

    I cannot believe the decision to close the board down. As I work in German radiodrama, I know about the efforts there to promote radiodrama (sorry for using this word again) and involve the audience in a forum just like this. To have an ongoing story with numbers of listerners like TA, to have a board like this where intellect meets interest, where people are actually guarding what they cherish would be the wet dream of many a German radio dramaturgue/editor.

    I will now, that nothing seems to be at stake anymore admit to being a author for radiodrama. As such I have always especially valued the unforgivingness with which the quality of scripts, storylining, wording and continuity are discussed here.
    I wonder if, had I ever been a TA writer, I would have had the guts to read your posts on contributions that I wrote, but I am sure that it would be wonderful to know that someone takes as much notice of what they have heard as is being taken here.
    Radio authors have normally no way to know what the audience thinks, and the odd letter to the editor will never substitute the (more often than sometimes) profound discussions that are being led here.

    I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. Maybe a bit like the way technicians in theaters view directors and performers, they all come and go, but the light will still shine for the next performance in twenty years time, and it will still be them using the switch. Or like an oak watches a person scratching their name into it. Or some other romantic metaphor involving the eternal stream of somethingsomething.

    I loved you watchdogs, it made me hopeful for the medium.
    Again, thank you.
    I too have lurked in Mustard land for about seven years, this is my first post. I have also signed the petition. I couldn't match Intebeton's eloquence, but I will miss you all. You have amused, outraged and educated me throughout my lurking years. I have visited the site with great anticipation to see what you all make of the different storylines and characters. ( I celebrated by drinking a bottle of champagne when Ed and Em finally got back together) The message board has been at least as entertaining as the actual drama. Have I got time for a drink in the Bull before last orders ?

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  • Message 74

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    Top post, Interbeton. Yes of course it is about a changing culture and it is hard for dissenters to fight that.

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  • Message 75

    , in reply to message 73.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    Have a drink on me, Redella, and welcome. It is early morning here but that is the wonders of a cyber drink you can have it anytime you want.

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  • Message 76

    , in reply to message 50.

    Posted by ooo-- Misty --ooo (U2226804) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    I do hope that Interbeton *will* continue to post on this MB (& perhaps then to follow us to Peet's or Sue's?) I for one would love to read more of his thoughts on the subject of The Archers & the closure of Mustardland ...

    "Hi!" to everyone else posting this morning. I'm feeling as depressed as anything about the situation ~ although I don't post much these days, it's always been comforting & reassuring to know that Mustardland is always *there* (24/7)

    I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling that ML is a great deal more than being about The Archers ~ it's become almost like a lifeline ...

    I simply cannot find the *words* to describe my feelings for those responsible for the closure. I hope they can sleep at night ...

    I continue to maintain that Mustardland could have been allowed to remain ~ but just be "slimmed down". Was this considered? If not ~ why not???

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  • Message 77

    , in reply to message 73.

    Posted by fairy hedgehog (U1485678) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    > Have I got time for a drink in the Bull before last orders ? <

    We've got a whole week. Plenty of time to get maudlin drunk and tell each other we're our best mates, we are.

    fh

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  • Message 78

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by nesta vipers (U2256451) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    A love letter from a notorios lurker.

    I have been lurking for about six years, and only recently posted the odd comment.
    I am not a native speaker, so I always felt a bit unable to be in any way as brillant as a lot of posters here are. I actually laugh in front of the [thing that you look on when using the PC]. I think about politics, radiodrama and ways to view life and have found the board utterly inspiring.

    I have relationships with quite a few of you (yeah, creepy), in that I almost expect certain comments, regard views of some of you in surprise, I might even be disappointed with someone for reacting one way and not the other...
    For being my invisible friends, I want to thank those of you, who knew for a long time to snide and congratulate, love or hate The Archers. Those who took such painstake in annoying me or finding such articulate reasons for what I also vaguely might have thought.
    Thank you all!

    I cannot believe the decision to close the board down. As I work in German radiodrama, I know about the efforts there to promote radiodrama (sorry for using this word again) and involve the audience in a forum just like this. To have an ongoing story with numbers of listerners like TA, to have a board like this where intellect meets interest, where people are actually guarding what they cherish would be the wet dream of many a German radio dramaturgue/editor.

    I will now, that nothing seems to be at stake anymore admit to being a author for radiodrama. As such I have always especially valued the unforgivingness with which the quality of scripts, storylining, wording and continuity are discussed here.
    I wonder if, had I ever been a TA writer, I would have had the guts to read your posts on contributions that I wrote, but I am sure that it would be wonderful to know that someone takes as much notice of what they have heard as is being taken here.
    Radio authors have normally no way to know what the audience thinks, and the odd letter to the editor will never substitute the (more often than sometimes) profound discussions that are being led here.

    I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. Maybe a bit like the way technicians in theaters view directors and performers, they all come and go, but the light will still shine for the next performance in twenty years time, and it will still be them using the switch. Or like an oak watches a person scratching their name into it. Or some other romantic metaphor involving the eternal stream of somethingsomething.

    I loved you watchdogs, it made me hopeful for the medium.
    Again, thank you.
    "I have relationships with quite a few of you..."


    Thanks for putting this into words I would never have thought of. I know this feeling so well- that I can rely on,the opinions of certain posters & then be taken aback by them too.

    "invisible friends" ? Yes prob the nearest one can ever get without religion or magical thinking; but all the better because there are 'real' invisible friends here, not imaginary ones

    Like any experience: school, workplaces etc it's the people that make it & I truly believe the spirit of the ML boards will live on; I mean- can anyone here really say the will ever listen to TA without wondering what the rest of us are,thinking about it? I know I won't


    Cheers nesta

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  • Message 79

    , in reply to message 70.

    Posted by wynkyn de worde (U14928439) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    it has happened already, rather like Heinzelmännchen.  "die Heinzelmännchen der Ambrücke". (Feel free to correct my grammar - it's been a very long time, and I'd like to get it right!)  

    Alright, remember, you wanted it: I think ideally it would be "die Heinzelmännchen /von/ Ambrücke" if Ambrücke was a place.
    Which reminds me, I had once made a very feeble attempt of delurking calling myself "don't-mention-the-war"  
    There are a couple of sayings (probably from songs) in English that you probably already know that sum the situation up

    "You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone"

    and

    "You don't miss your water 'till the well run dry"

    Buffoons

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  • Message 80

    , in reply to message 78.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    < I mean- can anyone here really say the will ever listen to TA without wondering what the rest of us are,thinking about it? I know I won't >


    Agreed, Nesta.

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  • Message 81

    , in reply to message 80.

    Posted by Princess Grace of Meccano (U15607178) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    Back again with my business head on. I know Nigel (our employee) does not want to discuss money but in my line of work the financial year runs from April to March so surely the MB must be budgeted for at least for another 6 weeks?
    This might give time to look at some sort of customer buy out/ takeover of the MB function.
    If anyone agrees that this is worth pursuing I will make enquiries.

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  • Message 82

    , in reply to message 81.

    Posted by wynkyn de worde (U14928439) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    I think you are on a losser there

    How many of them understand buisiness or finance?

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  • Message 83

    , in reply to message 81.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    By all means try it! Someone has already offered to put in £2,500 towards that if it is possible...

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  • Message 84

    , in reply to message 83.

    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    …with the proviso that they "would want some changes". Their other posts make it quite clear what those changes would involve and who would be in charge.

    Fine - let them set up their personal online fiefdom, but don't expect me to volunteer for serfdom.

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  • Message 85

    , in reply to message 84.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    I missed the proviso -- but I am sure that Princess Grace of Meccano is not likely to be thinking in that way.

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  • Message 86

    , in reply to message 81.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Monday, 18th February 2013


    This might give time to look at some sort of customer buy out/ takeover of the MB function.
    If anyone agrees that this is worth pursuing I will make enquiries.
     
    I'm all for it.

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  • Message 87

    , in reply to message 85.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    Gosh... I forwarded the OP to Tim Davie, and he has replied saying that "I have seen this post which is extremely well written. While I believe that, on balance, we have made a tough but correct decision, I will ensure that the Radio 4 team read this."

    There is someone a damn' sight more interactive than *some* who talk the talk but don't walk the walk about that.

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  • Message 88

    , in reply to message 87.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    It does indeed. Interactivity for the Vogon just seems to be arsing around on twitter AND HE GETS PAID TO DO THIS!!!!!

    No wonder the BBC is borassic.

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  • Message 89

    , in reply to message 88.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    Well, he probably has a BBC, co plus uk email address: usually those are just the name followed by the company's email address, though whether he would have the c in the middle I don't know.

    It would be interesting to know whether he responds to emails.

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  • Message 90

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Monday, 18th February 2013

    hear hear here too! Brilliant posts.

    Thank you

    P
    ; - )

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  • Message 91

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Sadness settles in. That it is so easy to be switched of.
    A human being is such a wonderfully complex creature with endless possibilities, and the only thing that differs it from a corpse should be a pulse.
    (must spellcheck, wouldn't like to leave too many mistakes to the eternal digital dust that is the future of this board).

    Love, individual happiness, solidarity, a regular income, good health, world peace!

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  • Message 92

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Firstly I want to thank you all very much for your kind and appreciative remarks; I feel knighted now. It's like the cool kids talked to me and in a good way... 

    Wow! Interbeton, I'm sorry I've only just found this thread. Thank you so much for posting it, and I hope someone has given you the addresses of the alternative Mustardlands.

    Maybe we'll see you in Peet's?

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  • Message 93

    , in reply to message 91.

    Posted by Elnora Cornstalk (U5646495) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    << Sadness settles in. That it is so easy to be switched of.
    A human being is such a wonderfully complex creature with endless possibilities, and the only thing that differs it from a corpse should be a pulse.
    (must spellcheck, wouldn't like to leave too many mistakes to the eternal digital dust that is the future of this board).

    Love, individual happiness, solidarity, a regular income, good health, world peace! >>

    Another who's only just seen your thread interbeton. You articulate everything that is so wrong, so unjust, so pig-headed, and simplistic, about the decision, and that is so right, complex, subtle and enduring about the boards. Thanks for this last tribute too. Hands across the airwaves!

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  • Message 94

    , in reply to message 93.

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Hands across, thank you both an see you at Peets, hopefully.

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  • Message 95

    , in reply to message 87.

    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Chris - as soon as I saw this I forwarded it to the producer of Feedback asking her to give it to Nigel Smith. Worth sending to Patten?

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  • Message 96

    , in reply to message 51.

    Posted by pollyanna (U7304225) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Have only just seen this thread interbeton. Thank you so much for saying what you have.

    This place has been such a special one for me, I have got so much from it, or rather, from the people who make it what it is, and now sadly belatedly, that includes you. Thank you again.


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  • Message 97

    , in reply to message 95.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Yes, do, t&g. He can't act on it, but I would like him to know.

    I didn't keep his email address.

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  • Message 98

    , in reply to message 94.

    Posted by Viola (U15626835) on Monday, 25th February 2013

    Thank you Interbeton for saying what many of us long-standing lurkers also think.
    Many thanks to all the wonderful Mustardlanders for everything. Hope to see some of you down at Peet's.
    Byeeee V x

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