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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    A love letter from a notorios lurker.

    I have been lurking for about six years, and only recently posted the odd comment.
    I am not a native speaker, so I always felt a bit unable to be in any way as brillant as a lot of posters here are. I actually laugh in front of the [thing that you look on when using the PC]. I think about politics, radiodrama and ways to view life and have found the board utterly inspiring.

    I have relationships with quite a few of you (yeah, creepy), in that I almost expect certain comments, regard views of some of you in surprise, I might even be disappointed with someone for reacting one way and not the other...
    For being my invisible friends, I want to thank those of you, who knew for a long time to snide and congratulate, love or hate The Archers. Those who took such painstake in annoying me or finding such articulate reasons for what I also vaguely might have thought.
    Thank you all!

    I cannot believe the decision to close the board down. As I work in German radiodrama, I know about the efforts there to promote radiodrama (sorry for using this word again) and involve the audience in a forum just like this. To have an ongoing story with numbers of listerners like TA, to have a board like this where intellect meets interest, where people are actually guarding what they cherish would be the wet dream of many a German radio dramaturgue/editor.

    I will now, that nothing seems to be at stake anymore admit to being a author for radiodrama. As such I have always especially valued the unforgivingness with which the quality of scripts, storylining, wording and continuity are discussed here.
    I wonder if, had I ever been a TA writer, I would have had the guts to read your posts on contributions that I wrote, but I am sure that it would be wonderful to know that someone takes as much notice of what they have heard as is being taken here.
    Radio authors have normally no way to know what the audience thinks, and the odd letter to the editor will never substitute the (more often than sometimes) profound discussions that are being led here.

    I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. Maybe a bit like the way technicians in theaters view directors and performers, they all come and go, but the light will still shine for the next performance in twenty years time, and it will still be them using the switch. Or like an oak watches a person scratching their name into it. Or some other romantic metaphor involving the eternal stream of somethingsomething.

    I loved you watchdogs, it made me hopeful for the medium.
    Again, thank you.
    i

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by goodolddays (U15611603) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Thank you Interbeton.

    What a brilliant and thoughtful post from someone who sees it from the other side and can appreciate the high esteem in which DTA posters hold TA and thus take the trouble to constructively critique the programme as they do.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by acebass (U3133653) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    What a lovely post.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by Abby33 (U6428266) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    A lovely post! Thanks for making the effort to write it. I think there are lots of lurkers not being accounted for in the 'tiny' 10000.
    I would have thought that the producers would like listeners feedback as a free resource.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Lardycake (U15279054) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    What a wonderful post! Hope Nigel's reading it!

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    interbeton, that is a post which makes me draw in my breath in astonishment. That they ought to value this forum rather than throw it away is so exactly what many of us have felt, but not being dramaturges or editors could not say with authority!

    Would you consider posting this to Nigel Smith's blog, at www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/... ? It is possible that it might be read, there, while here it is likely it won't be read by the people who *should* read it.

    And you thank us -- but I thank *you* for such a resounding affirmation of the board, and the value of the board.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    If you have not voted in the petition, then.............

    www.thepetitionsite....


    OP - smashing posting. As CG says, do post it on Mr Smith's blog.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by interbeton (U15598334) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Thank you (all) very much, and Chris Ghoti for your suggestion; I will do so tomorrow after customizing it for the recipient there.
    It is such a shame how these decisions are taken. You could just picture someone darkly mumbling "uh, but it's too expensive", and the others nodding and thinking of their next break or the things they'd like to push forward in exchange for cutting this thing with the old biddies.

    Unfortunately the money argument never stops, and it is a profound change in the handling of culture in general and also the BBC, as far as I can see, which used to promote British culture throughout the world for the sake of it. And as much as that maybe ever so slightly imperialist approach irks me somewhere, I wish that the impulse to promote arts, culture and education would (across) Europe not nowadays be viewed as something outdated and largly disposible.
    By saving that aspect and trying to mainstream all their programs, the BBC will eventually contribute to its own downfall, because they are not better at being bad and digestible.

    The Archers are indeed unique in the world and are mentioned at international media meetings as that. That is why I initially enquired about it and found this board.
    That is when I thought, that the Archers is not just really long running and quaint, but also has a meta-level of intellectual and artistic analyses which is better than the product itself.
    It could also be read as poststructuralist criticism, which is (I think more important in German radio discourse than the English one).

    However, the value of this board is not to be put in numbers like I read elsethread with 35 pounds per boardmember, ML is in my understanding an unretrievable asset to a unique emergence in radio history.
    I know. Pompous, but that's what I would have said in that board meeting.

    I was going to write an article about TA in a German media paper, the article would have been interesting with you lot in it, but with only the broadcast to go on, I couldn't really write much except that it's really old with farmers in it.

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  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Even more reason why both OP and above go into Mr Smith's blog.

    Does he know he is fiddling with one of the BBC's leading global brand radio progs?

    All over the world, people 'interact' with TA via that mb, Mr Smith.

    This one is going to run and run.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Lilians twin (U4487710) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    An inspiring post interbeton. Thank you. Please, please do as others have recommended above - post this on Nigel Smith's blog.

    Regards Lils xx

    PS - A lot of us have signed up to Peet's Place www.paranormal.org.u... over the past few days. When this messageboard finally closes we are hoping Peet's Place will become as lively as here - but most of us would really really prefer simply to stay put.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by LumpenDoodle (U14738389) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Many thanks, you've summed up the essence of this board. Sadly even the DG of the BBC is unable to grasp this idea (I have emailed him direct to complain).

    Can someone here with the techie ability care to copy and paste this thread to him (his email address is tim.davie@bbc.co.uk,

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by betty sharpe (U14653254) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Awesome, Interbeton.

    Herzlichen Dank smiley - winkeye

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    I have sent a copy of the OP to the address suggested.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by LumpenDoodle (U14738389) on Saturday, 16th February 2013

    Many thanks, we may not save ML, but we will cause some pain and suffering to those responsible as we fall.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Since 1980 (U15611684) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I too found this an inspiring post and have emailed Mr Davie. What a shoddy decision yet I hope it may still be reversed.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    That's what I call an entrance!

    Delurking with two of the most profound and articulate posts I've read on /any/ forum! Welcome, and many thanks. The traditional virtual drink awaits in The Bull (which has now extended its range to include any German beer you care to mention, Schnapps and possibly even a bottle of Schwiegermuttermilch…)

    About the only thing I'd take issue with is your doubt about your English : -)

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by RS Acre (U6057963) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Interbeton, this is a corking post, as are your subsequent.

    Thanks for your view from 'the other side' & please take up other posters' suggestions to email direct to Mr Smith (& I would urge, higher up the food chain!) ... & to stay with us at Peet's Place, where I suspect most will wish to migrate:

    www.paranormal.org.u...

    Your English is superb, as are your insights.

    pip pip!
    RSy
    (_!_)y

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by borneomom (U4770405) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Hi Interbeton from the north of Germany and thank you for your post.
    Please all also checkout what Indiana USA is saying over on another thread.
    www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mb...

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Ive sent Tim Davie the url for the petition.

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 19.

    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    'scuse me if I've missed them, but has anyone got the email addresses for Nigel and the DG?

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by wynkyn de worde (U14928439) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    A love letter from a notorios lurker.

    I have been lurking for about six years, and only recently posted the odd comment.
    I am not a native speaker, so I always felt a bit unable to be in any way as brillant as a lot of posters here are. I actually laugh in front of the [thing that you look on when using the PC]. I think about politics, radiodrama and ways to view life and have found the board utterly inspiring.

    I have relationships with quite a few of you (yeah, creepy), in that I almost expect certain comments, regard views of some of you in surprise, I might even be disappointed with someone for reacting one way and not the other...
    For being my invisible friends, I want to thank those of you, who knew for a long time to snide and congratulate, love or hate The Archers. Those who took such painstake in annoying me or finding such articulate reasons for what I also vaguely might have thought.
    Thank you all!

    I cannot believe the decision to close the board down. As I work in German radiodrama, I know about the efforts there to promote radiodrama (sorry for using this word again) and involve the audience in a forum just like this. To have an ongoing story with numbers of listerners like TA, to have a board like this where intellect meets interest, where people are actually guarding what they cherish would be the wet dream of many a German radio dramaturgue/editor.

    I will now, that nothing seems to be at stake anymore admit to being a author for radiodrama. As such I have always especially valued the unforgivingness with which the quality of scripts, storylining, wording and continuity are discussed here.
    I wonder if, had I ever been a TA writer, I would have had the guts to read your posts on contributions that I wrote, but I am sure that it would be wonderful to know that someone takes as much notice of what they have heard as is being taken here.
    Radio authors have normally no way to know what the audience thinks, and the odd letter to the editor will never substitute the (more often than sometimes) profound discussions that are being led here.

    I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. Maybe a bit like the way technicians in theaters view directors and performers, they all come and go, but the light will still shine for the next performance in twenty years time, and it will still be them using the switch. Or like an oak watches a person scratching their name into it. Or some other romantic metaphor involving the eternal stream of somethingsomething.

    I loved you watchdogs, it made me hopeful for the medium.
    Again, thank you.
    Hello Interbeton.

    Can I add my thanks too?

    It is Sunday morning and I am listening to Corelli Sonata Op 5 on the BBC R3 as I write this and am deeply moved by your post and have surprised myself as to how upset this complete idiocy has made me.

    I am one of the old people that cause the BBC problems apparently since we seem to be critical, we seem to have experience, we seem to have knowledge and seem to have skills beyond theirs - well some of us at least. I had better sign off since I might just burst into tears ( Male 1.90 m fit apart from broken ankle 60+ years)


    You may not see this since I have been sent to prison (pre mod) for crimes against... who knows what... and almost certainly won't be let out before the end.

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 16.

    Posted by Mister Legs (U15599971) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    That's what I call an entrance!

    Delurking with two of the most profound and articulate posts I've read on /any/ forum! Welcome, and many thanks. The traditional virtual drink awaits in The Bull (which has now extended its range to include any German beer you care to mention, Schnapps and possibly even a bottle of Schwiegermuttermilch…)

    About the only thing I'd take issue with is your doubt about your English : -)  
    hear! hear!

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 22.

    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    OP sent to Tim Davie.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Westsussexbird or Birdy aka Westie (U6316532) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Just to thank Interbeton for such an accolade.

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by mistynetty (U15299324) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    A brilliant first time post. thank you Interbeton. This is what is so special about ML.

    I think I will feel bereft when Friday comes.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Another really lovely and touching message. Thanks notorios lurker.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Everything Stops 4 Tea (U3819066) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    <<< I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. >>>

    I am a born and bred British national, but I sincerely believe your command of the English language greatly exceeds mine, Interbeton.

    Thank *you* for that marvellous post.
    ES4T

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Vicky S (U2258400) on Sunday, 17th February 2013



    The Archers are indeed unique in the world and are mentioned at international media meetings as that............
    ..........However, the value of this board is not to be put in numbers like I read elsethread with 35 pounds per boardmember, ML is in my understanding an unretrievable asset to a unique emergence in radio history.  


    Exactly! And once it's gone it's gone. So very shortsighted of the BBC, mind you , they do seem to be addicted in nostalgia atm. A shot of DID circa 1965 anyone? It's a little naive for some palates but I think you'll be amused by its presumption.


    I was going to write an article about TA in a German media paper, the article would have been interesting with you lot in it, but with only the broadcast to go on, I couldn't really write much except that it's really old with farmers in it. 

    Please write your article, maybe slant it as a warning as to what happens when people who have been placed in positions of power in the media, and other walks of life, ignore what is happening in the real world and work on the assumption that the only thing important is what they want.



    but also has a meta-level of intellectual and artistic analyses which is better than the product itself.
    It could also be read as poststructuralist criticism,  



    I think that's what I've been aiming for every time I write mean things about Pip and The Original SLT..........

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Interbeton - thank you for that thoughtful and rather inspiring post.



    <quote>I loved the message board also for the attitude that the Mustardlanders have towards TA: it is owned by them like a national treasure, all the editors, scriptwriters, experiments with the formats are something to enjoy or endure, but they are but a fleeting phenomenon. Maybe a bit like the way technicians in theaters view directors and performers, they all come and go, but the light will still shine for the next performance in twenty years time, and it will still be them using the switch. Or like an oak watches a person scratching their name into it. <quote>

    yes!!! TA is much more than a plaything for whoever is currently in charge.

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  • Message 30

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    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 31

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    Posted by savannahlady (U2362903) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Sorry - blimmin' auto correct thingy - danke schon of course with umlaut over o! Oh flea please flee

    Savvie

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by wynkyn de worde (U14928439) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Might I ask that someone post either the originam message or a link to this thread on this the Blog of the man responsible please

    www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/...

    I cannot do this I am in pre-mod (eventually my posts here show). I appear to be in total lockdown on the blog

    The only message I get is

    "This comment has been referred for further consideration."

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 31.

    Posted by savannahlady (U2362903) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I am reposting my post 30 as I had forgotten about the foreign language rule (no, I don't know how either!) Anyway, here it is minus the (mispelled) German for Thank you, my friend:

    "Wonderful post interbeton and thank you for adding your support. It confirms the views of thousands of us that ML has an appeal which transcends language, culture and geographic boundaries. As we keep trying to say, in so many ways it epitomises the BBC motto that Nation Shall Speak Peace Unto Nation. I wonder if that too has been lost in the mists of techno babble and management speak. George Orwell would have found common ground here I think - let's dumb it all down to the fatuous facebook and the totally trivial twitter.

    Thank you my friend,

    Savvie"

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    done, Wynkyn de worde.

    I'm glad you've reposted Savvie - it was a shame it was modded because of the wee bit of German in your original post. I expect I'll pop into Peet's or Sue's from time to time so I hope I'll bump into you there, at least occasionally.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I doubt they will be read on the blog (Ellen has posted the OP here and the one by NewCastleInd ianaUSA in the Bull).

    Is it possible for someone to post the URLs for them on Twitter to the relevant person?

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    "I couldn't really write much except that it's really old with farmers in it"

    Snork!

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  • Message 37

    , in reply to message 35.

    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Not Ellen. Sorry, Eileen. Apologies.

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  • Message 38

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    This posting has been hidden during moderation because it broke the House Rules in some way.

  • Message 39

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    Posted by savannahlady (U2362903) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I'm glad you've reposted Savvie 

    Just couldn't /not/ acknowledge a kind and very articulate thread from interbeton, Eileen. So welcome to see as was Newcastle's in The Bull. I think both should go on Roger Bolton's blog on Feedback where they might actually be seen by someone who cares more than the Niggardly Nigel ( it is clearly a day for alliterative adjectives in what passes for my brain these days!)

    Back to my box now.

    love

    Savvie

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Eileen (U2438659) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Both messages linked to on Twitter now, as well as a comment about my own feeling on the value of Twitter.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Thank you Eileen and thank you too Inteboten. Much appreicated.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Sylvee (U15114175) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Thanks for your post it's interesting to get another perspective.

    One of the reasons given for throwing the toys out of the pram is that reflections on these boards have moved away from discussing the programme.

    Have you any thoughts on that?

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Grannyarcher (U14742103) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Thank you interbeton.
    wonderful post and a tribute to the German education system

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by tessinredandwhite (U14968156) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    As another very long-time lurker on this board, I want to thank you interbeton for managing to put all my thoughts into words. I shall really miss this message board and feel as though I know personally many of the posters. I always used to think "I'll contribute when I retire and have lots of time" but I never did seem to have time and now it will be too late - sad face...

    I hope we can all meet somewhere else and from now on I promise to put in my twopennorth, even when its already been said much better by one of the old hands

    Thank you all again

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  • Message 45

    , in reply to message 44.

    Posted by katsadia (U14326788) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Farewell and thank you to you all. I started visiting Mustardland to cheer myself up in difficult times a few years ago and it never failed to make me feel better. Listening to TA without the chance to read what you all think about it just won't be the same - visiting Mustardland afterwards has often been the best bit. You have been interesting, entertaining, funny and great company. Goodbye and good luck, everyone.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    And thank you, interbeton! Glad to meet you (even so late in Mustardland's life).

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  • Message 47

    , in reply to message 45.

    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Most kind. You could always join Peet's place?

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  • Message 48

    , in reply to message 47.

    Posted by Princess Grace of Meccano (U15607178) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    I am de lurking too. Have been an avid listener to the Archers for over 35 years and have lurked on the MB for as long as it has existed.

    I feel I have taken the MB for granted,expecting it too always be around.

    Whenever an episode was particularly good - the Brian and Siobhan days - or bad Brief Encounter anyone? - my first thought was always " I wonder what the others thought ?" and I would go to ML to be amused / exasperated and enlightened.

    I am truly upset about the closure and I think the short notice has been despicable.

    Thanks to all the posters over the years. What larks! Xx

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  • Message 49

    , in reply to message 48.

    Posted by anniewitchway - flashing with the mob (U6552239) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Fabulous moniker, Grace of Meccano. And welcome.

    The Bull is going to be closing soon so put whatever you like on my tab.
    Avoid the Tom Archer pork products, though.




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  • Message 50

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    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Sunday, 17th February 2013

    Thank you, interbeton - it's only a pity that we haven't got time to persuade you to put more of your well-written posts on yjis MB.

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