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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by binocular (U10832169) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Are we hell. Vickoi is just awful. We are going to suffer for the next x amount of years.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    If it were a real person, I would not be hoping the baby would die at birth.

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    I'm not. I am all for having a DS child in Ambridge, but Mike and Vicki were not the parents to choose, IMO. I was just reading a book today (designing educational materials for children with learning disabilities). The author based it on experience with child with DS. Just reading the introduction made me realise how many hurdles the Beth and her parents might have to go through (and the child in question was at the lite end of the spectrum at birth).

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    I forgot to say ...

    and her mother.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Oh Bette .. you are going to suffer, you know.

    You will have to put up with there being absolutely nothing in the least difficult about Baby Bethany, and not a hurdle in sight, and all your reading will matter not a jot. It will all be as probable as the "Helen buys a baby in jig time and doesn't even have to have jiggy-jig" farrago, and anyone who has any accurate information wll be driven spare.

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Oh Bette .. you are going to suffer, you know. 

    I know! I suspect I will turn down the volume sometimes, or get on with noisy washing-up at some points smiley - erm Scouring pans will be good therapy smiley - smiley

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Nah, Chris, they'd never do that. Every story is meticulously researched, and we know that's true, because the editor told us so.

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    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    I actually feel quite sorry for Bethany.
    Nothing to do with her having Downs Syndrome, in fact that might make having Vicky as a mother easier to bear.

    Can you imagine it - "Shall we eat all the chocolates, Bethany, and tell Daddy that we didn't buy any?"
    "Do you love Mummy better than Daddy, Bethany? Of course you do!"

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    My real fear is that, whatever form the detail of the DS Enfant Tuckerrible SL takes, it will give infinite possibilities for VIcky to use the baby and the disability to be even more manipulative and generally unpleasant; and get away with it all scot-free because no-one - least of all Mike - will dare to gainsay her.

    jp

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    I agree, and that is why having them as parents is not a good introduction of a DS child into Ambridge. The SWs should have chosen a younger couple, who don't already have 'issues' . Vicki has been depicted as being 'difficult' and strong-minded (take that as you will) since the outset. I feel sorry for Mike, though he has made his own bed as-it-were when it comes to Vicki.

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    Posted by Auntie Clockwise (U8040384) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    DS Enfant Tuckerrible 

    Snork! Excellent.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    OP? Are we heck as like!

    She's scheduled to make TC look like Mother Teresa. Utterly self-absorbed, pulling every heart string within reach, basking in 'brave little woman' light, and running Mike ragged.

    And the writers have painted us all into this for the next foreseeable.

    Thanks, TA team.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    We are looking forward to Bethany with anguish, foreboding, dread, gloom, and a mental sensation not unlike having splinters of pine driven in under our fingernails and then ignited might feel if it were mental instead of physical.

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    It's a giant screen depiction of a slow-motion car crash seen from afar.

    jp

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    It's a giant screen depiction of a slow-motion car crash seen from afar. 
    Cool! Sounds very Ballardesque.

    BTW, jp, off topic, but did you say the other day elsethread that you'd been on the MB for eight and a half years? If so, were you always called JacksParakeet? If not, who were you?

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    That poor child. She doesn't stand a chance, does she?

    What a curse to be born to two such vile people. She is going to be smothered and never allowed to be her own person. I forsee Vicki's mini-me, combined with Mike's short temper.

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    Posted by JacksParakeetBeingDe-Nested (U2979858) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    It's a giant screen depiction of a slow-motion car crash seen from afar. 
    Cool! Sounds very Ballardesque.

    BTW, jp, off topic, but did you say the other day elsethread that you'd been on the MB for eight and a half years? If so, were you always called JacksParakeet? If not, who were you?

     
    It wasn't me, Freda, as that nice Mr Shaggy once said. But I have been posting for around that time, and lurking a bit before that. I've always been JP though, except for the usual seasonal variations. AFAIR I did try to register a couple of other names, but they wern't accepted and/or I found someone already had a moniker very similar to what I'd thought of.

    Thats for mentioning Ballard - I'd forgotten who I was plaigirising!

    jp!

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    She is going to be smothered 
    Is she? Well, it'll be kinder in the long run. Can the smotherer fit Vicky in as well?

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    In that case, to put it bluntly, why have the baby?

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    Posted by LilianFred (U14714921) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Yes we are, unfortunately. But poor Mike will be with her almost 24/7! Glad he's just fictional- or is he? Get a second job Mike, to give yourself a break from Vickoi the baboi.

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    Sorry, don't follow.What do you mean by 'in that case'?

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    Posted by MamaAnnaBee (U2274404) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    I've read comments before here from people asking that the term "we" is not used as a general term to give the impression all listeners feel the same. It's never really bothered me but now I can see what it is like when it's something I don't agree with!

    I haven't heard all of tonight's episode and didn't like the bit I did hear where Mike and Ed were talking about milk prices. However I actually like Vicky, I think she is warm, kind, friendly and adaptable. I am delighted she is having a baby and wish her much happiness.

    I understand that others have different views and have no idea how many might agree with me, but I would still like to say that I do not include myself in the "we" comments. I am looking forward to Bethany and wish her and her mum a lovely relationship.

    Mama Anna

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    Posted by hiya_loxley (U2274305) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    < If it were a real person, I would not be hoping the baby would die at birth. >

    Real life is irrelevant. I'm very much hoping for a rapid death of baby as the best closure for this wretched SL.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Tuesday, 8th January 2013

    An added bonus if Vicki goes too and then Mike falls into a terminal decline.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    < I think she is warm, kind, friendly and adaptable. I am delighted she is having a baby and wish her much happiness. >

    On the basis of ANY single sentence uttered by Vicky in the epi under discussion, can you point to a place where she is 'warm, kind, friendly and adaptable'?

    Deeply intrigued.

    Honestly, my first reaction to the post was that it was a wind-up!!

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Blow the episode under discussion, Dracs, I am trying to think of any episode apart from the one in which she was nice to Phoebe (and incidentally nasty to Hayley by being so) in which Vicky has manifested as warm, kind, friendly and adaptable. It has me beat.

    Oh, the very first time she was on air she had the tact not to insist on staying in a house where someone was in floods of tears and not expecting her, and fled when she came in. In the light of all her behaviour since, that was out of character, though I didn't know it at the time.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    My real fear is that, whatever form the detail of the DS Enfant Tuckerrible SL takes, it will give infinite possibilities for VIcky to use the baby and the disability to be even more manipulative and generally unpleasant; and get away with it all scot-free because no-one - least of all Mike - will dare to gainsay her.

    jp 
    Top post.

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    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Oh Bette .. you are going to suffer, you know.

    You will have to put up with there being absolutely nothing in the least difficult about Baby Bethany, and not a hurdle in sight, and all your reading will matter not a jot. It will all be as probable as the "Helen buys a baby in jig time and doesn't even have to have jiggy-jig" farrago, and anyone who has any accurate information wll be driven spare. 
    I could not agree with you more. This is typical VW. A self promoting SL with all the bolt on Wimmins Hour pieces, trailers, and bluddy Helplines. All she will say is 'We had the guts to take on a really tough SL' and no one will be able to argue with her.

    What will be really interesting, apart from the fact that all in Ambridge will universally adore the child- why not have a prize draw to see who is the first to say, 'Isn't she BEAUTIFUL!'- is whether VW will employ a Downs actor to play the child as it is growing up.

    She maintained that she would never have anyone pretending to be in a wheelchair but would employ a wheelchair bound actor (although presumably whoever plays Tugger does not have one eye) so I would not put it past her to indulge in another masterful display of cynical opportunism by employing a Downs victim to raise the profile of the programme if not the ratings.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    AND, CS, we are all, will-we, nill-we, in this for the VERY long term.

    IMO a very, very rash editorial call, and one that alone might make the mythical Controller of R4 ask a few exceptionally pertinent questions about personal fiefdoms, siege mentality, self-aggrandisement, WH tie-ups, driven agendas.

    Or words to that effect perhaps? Should the Mythical CoR4 come out gibbering with fear of a mighty Beetle infestation from under the table long enough to take on the issue?

    Gosh......It's OK now - I've woken form the nightmare. Nurse, the screens.....

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    WHy is a storyline about DS so much "tougher" than one about rural poverty?

    VW wants all the plaudits for one, including pulling the heartstrings mercilessly about an unborn child, and all the "helpline" stuff, while deliberately ignoring the plight of Ed and Emma, who are not allowed to access the help available through the state, and who have two children.

    It just doesn't begin to make sense.

    Are we looking forward to Bethany? No, I am not. I am dreading it and the no-doubt "issue-led" storylines that will plague us. Baby Bubbles will be the making of Vicki, ust as Henry was the remaking of Helen. There won't be proectile vomiting, or PND and rejection of the baby which then leads to MIke deciding he cant cope and walking out never to be heard of again while the baby goes into care. All of which would actually be quite good and interesting storylines. Well, apart from the projectile vomiting, which has limited entertainment value.

    NO, MIke and Vicki will be the best parents eer and everyone will tell them so and we will all live happily ever after. Bleuch.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Strangely this does not work the other way, Squire.
    As far as we the poor benighted listeners are aware Jazzer has perfect vision.
    Though God knows he could be walking around with a white stick, a guide dog and Stevie Wonder dreadlocks and nobody in Ambridge has ever mentioned the fact.
    MJ

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    I fear you are right, Miketa......

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by carrick-bend (U2288869) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    That would follow, Ms MJ - he would drive the milk float around with never an adverse comment.

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    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Strangely this does not work the other way, Squire.
    As far as we the poor benighted listeners are aware Jazzer has perfect vision.
    Though God knows he could be walking around with a white stick, a guide dog and Stevie Wonder dreadlocks and nobody in Ambridge has ever mentioned the fact.
    MJ 
    Spot on, Mumbers. The absurd Prof Jim would do another of his hard hitting and deeply insightful, BL features of a blind man driving a milk float and finding his way up residents' garden paths.

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Indeed.
    And given Tugger's ocular prahblem one begins to wonder about the viability of this dairy which only employs the visually challenged.
    Rosa may well have specs like the bottoms of coca cola bottles.
    God knows how they manage to get the milk into the bottles.
    I fear there is a tremendous amount of waste.
    And, as you point out, a gripping featurette in the pipeline.
    MJ

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    If they are pouring a lot of the milk onto the ground instead of into bottles that explains why Ed is being paid so little! Mike only pays him for the milk he has in bottles, not the milk that isn't in them.

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    That might well account for the loss of customers.
    MJ

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    Posted by SteveKills (U14949122) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    That might well account for the loss of customers.
    MJ  
    In the milking parlour of the blind the one eyed man is king! This, of course, is the reason why the business is going down the Swanee. All the Ambridge residents far too PC to point out a minor setback like blindness so each day Jazzer routinely knocks things over en route (probably him that totalled the Ambridge beast) and then crashes into things with his palate of gold tops en route to the doorstep.

    Would also explain why he is happy to jump into bed with so many elderly customers down at Grange Spinney.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    finding his way up residents' garden paths. 
    And not just up their garden paths, Squire.

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    In the milking parlour of the blind the one eyed man is king!  If all Mike's thinking, to use the term loosely, hadn't originated in the one-eyed department, we might have been spared the onset of Vicki in the first place.

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    Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Oh Bette .. you are going to suffer, you know.

    You will have to put up with there being absolutely nothing in the least difficult about Baby Bethany, and not a hurdle in sight, and all your reading will matter not a jot. It will all be as probable as the "Helen buys a baby in jig time and doesn't even have to have jiggy-jig" farrago, and anyone who has any accurate information wll be driven spare. 

    Yes Chris, that's my biggest worry too... So far the SL seems to have been drafted by the DSA who were consultants to the editorial team I believe. Their web site and information is relentlessly positive and carefully worded so that naive readers may draw the best possibile conclusion (for example where "minority" is the accurate word, the words "some" and "many" are used, e.g. referring to the only 25% who go to mainstream schools).

    I would love this to be an accurate SL developed over many years to show the genuine issues and problems that a very old father, and older mother may have with a child with Downs who is typical of the spectrum.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Dear RAF - please do not hold your breath waiting for this touch of realism, cos it waint gonna happen. You just know that Bubbles will have DS lite and will be the most lovely, happy child you ever did see, despite having two dim and selfish parents.

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Wednesday, 9th January 2013

    Moreover, a long-term SL such as that would not fit the current "seasonal" structure of TA. SLs must now be completed within a set time and thereafter have no ramifications. That this should coincide with the arrival of a raft of new characters with little or no history* to confuse the new audience they obviously hope to attract is not accidental. That it is a source of considerable irritation to listeners who /are/ aware of characters' past lives suggests that not only are we the Wrong Sort Of Listener, we are also clearly the Unwanted Sort Of Listener. Is this what was actually meant by SATTC; the end of TA as we know it?

    A strange way to treat the most loyal audience one might hope to find, but what do I know? Maybe that's what I've been doing wrong for the last thirty-odd years? Every time anyone's approached me after a gig to say they enjoyed it** I've thanked them; all the time I should have been telling them to p*ss off, that they didn't know what they were talking about and that if I'd known they liked what I was playing, I would have played something else. Maybe I'd earn a long-service break? (Though I suspect if I tried it the result would be a /permanent/ cessation of employment)





    *Though with the most recent example I see they've managed to get the history muddled on the first appearance, which must be a record.

    **It does happen occasionally.

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    Posted by MamaAnnaBee (U2274404) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    < I think she is warm, kind, friendly and adaptable. I am delighted she is having a baby and wish her much happiness. >

    On the basis of ANY single sentence uttered by Vicky in the epi under discussion, can you point to a place where she is 'warm, kind, friendly and adaptable'?

    Deeply intrigued.

    Honestly, my first reaction to the post was that it was a wind-up!! 
    Well I knew it wouldn't be a popular view but it's a bit surprising that having a different view from the majority would be considered a wind-up. I've been posting here for 11 years and I like a laugh but my comments on the show represent my opinion.

    I don't see that I have to defend my comments but I will expand. As I said I hadn't heard all the episode last night, now I have.

    Firstly Vicky said to Mike "from what you have said" which leads me to believe he probably gave his own version of Ed demanding more money and I can understand Vicky wanting to offer Mike support.

    Incidentally I think Ed was the master of his own failure in his request. He should have gone prepared with figures to back-up his request. I think this "muddling through" with something like this business is irresponsible. I left school at just 16, having gone to five schools before I was 11, but when I was self-employed I made sure every penny was accounted for and my accounts balanced.

    Secondly, Vicky is days away from giving birth to her baby which can be a nervous and anxious time for many women, let alone when they are going to have a baby that will face challenges. Vicky has coped with this calmly and positively but underneath she is probably scared and feeling the need to maintain equilibrium within her family.

    For some women moods can really be affected towards the end of pregnancy. I still remember with horror something I said to someone at the end of one of my pregnancies. It was not a reaction I would normally have had but it felt right at the time. I felt a need to defend my territory.

    I actually think Vicky was probably right in her comments about the Grundies moving to Susan's house, for Emma anyway. I couldn't believe it when Susan said how Emma had loved Rickyard - no she didn't, the last few months we heard nothing but her moaning about how small it was, how Keira could not have her own room, how there was nowhere to put things. I bet Emma much prefers it at her mother's house.

    Anyway, sorry to go on at length, it's just my interpretation of the character. I can see from the many responses that once more I am on the Lonely Bench, but wind-up merchant I am not .

    Mama Anna

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    She's a nasty piece of work and just what Mike the milk peddlar deserves.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    Anyway, sorry to go on at length, it's just my interpretation of the character. I can see from the many responses that once more I am on the Lonely Bench, but wind-up merchant I am not .  

    To quote Voltaire, Mama Anna, "Although I disapprove of what you say,
    I will defend to the death your right to say it".

    Although I loath Vicky, and have done so since the first time she arrived
    in Ambridge, the points you made were sincere and clearly stemmed
    from gentler, kinder feelings towards woman-kind.
    It won't change the deep-seated repulsion I have for the character,
    but IMO you made some valid points.

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    Agreed Burberry different views are essential to the health of the board especially minority ones like Mama Anna's on Vicky. It would not be half as much fun if we all agreed.
    I dislike Vicky but not as much as I do other characters like Tom for instance, Elizabeth or Kate. I do think she would use the baby to become more demanding and passive aggressive but suspect that the SW will change her character for the better when the baby is born like they did with Helen as they can't afford to have anything negative in this SL.
    I would like to have seen an opportunity for an actor with DS to join the cast as part of a new family it would have been much more interesting IMO and has been done successfully in some US soaps.

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    Posted by Burberry (U14785386) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    but suspect that the SW will change her character for the better when the baby is born like they did with Helen as they can't afford to have anything negative in this SL.
    I would like to have seen an opportunity for an actor with DS to join the cast as part of a new family ...  


    Absolutely, Daily. By risking so much in airing a DS storyline, they can't,
    as you say, have a hated harridan of a mother in the form of Vicky.
    It would be counter-productive.
    So I expect we will very shortly have another Madonna (Mk.II) cooing after yet another 'manipulated' baby's arrival.

    A new family to join Ambridge could have been Rob Tichener and wife,
    together with a child with Downs Syndrome. There would have been
    no total disbelief about the likelihood of such a perfectly possible SL
    and the whole thing would have felt far more seamless, and far less
    contrived.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    The fundamental question is whether any of this should intrude on what is purely a business matter. Vicki's impending motherhood is no concern of Ed's. Did Mike up the price he paid Ed when Kiera came along?

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Thursday, 10th January 2013

    but suspect that the SW will change her character for the better when the baby is born like they did with Helen as they can't afford to have anything negative in this SL.
    I would like to have seen an opportunity for an actor with DS to join the cast as part of a new family ...  


    Absolutely, Daily. By risking so much in airing a DS storyline, they can't,
    as you say, have a hated harridan of a mother in the form of Vicky.
    It would be counter-productive.
    So I expect we will very shortly have another Madonna (Mk.II) cooing after yet another 'manipulated' baby's arrival.

    A new family to join Ambridge could have been Rob Tichener and wife,
    together with a child with Downs Syndrome. There would have been
    no total disbelief about the likelihood of such a perfectly possible SL
    and the whole thing would have felt far more seamless, and far less
    contrived.
     
    Well I'm sorry but it just won't wash in this house.
    She IS vile,always WAS vile and always WILL BE vile however they try to portray her no makeover will succeed,we've seen too much of this nonsense recently and we don't believe any of it.
    It's too late and they have dropped a giant sized clanger in putting HER in the postion of mothering this child.
    I shall never warm to her whatever she does,even her bluddy voice sets my teeth on edge especially the 'gentle' one.

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