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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    You put Wiw right a couple of times.

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    Posted by Skyebird (U14198692) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Hear, hear. You tell him , Eddie.

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    Posted by montee (U3473019) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    yes - well done Eddie - Willyum absolutely ghastly, selfish and stupid

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    "Clarrie will have something to say" A new Clarrie to be unveiled?

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    Posted by careen (U1935190) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    And Clarrie might have something to say about it! Keep on whingeing Will, I've missed her.

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    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    You put Wiw right a couple of times.  Yes.

    For this, I'm almost prepared to forgive Eddie for managing to get an 'r' into the words 'son', and 'moment'..

    Unbelievably strangulated pronunciation. He still has to lay the 'mummerset' on unnecessarily, after all these years..

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    Posted by Perkin Warbeck is not a cannibal (U14797366) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Go Eddie, Go Eddie, Go Eddie!

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    Posted by typewright (U14048004) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Yes, Wiw, you didn't work that hard to get Aunt Hilda's legacy.

    Twice.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Well done Eddie.
    That was long-overdue.
    Will deserved every word of that telling off. let's hope the scales fall from his eyes after hearing the unvarnished truth. This has been a long time coming. The icing on the cake would be for him to go and whinge to Nic, who then tells him a few more home truths, before kicking him out!

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    Posted by Athena Ergane (U14927530) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Well done Eddie.
    That was long-overdue.
    Will deserved every word of that telling off. let's hope the scales fall from his eyes after hearing the unvarnished truth. This has been a long time coming. The icing on the cake would be for him to go and whinge to Nic, who then tells him a few more home truths, before kicking him out! 
    Seconded.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    thirded.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    4thd.

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    5thd.

    Eddie was on splendid form tonight. About time someone told Will just how fortunate he's been.

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    "Clarrie will have something to say"

    That'll be a bleeding miracle - she's had her mouth wired shut for weeks in a most unlikely fashion as she watches her favourite son go to hell in a handcart.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Mieketa it is far more likely he will just think with some justification that the sun shines out his brothers bottom whatever happens and his own hurt will be seen to be lesser

    Always......... no matter if he tries

    Do you not notice how will cannot be honest with his feelings in any company? No one wants to hear.......... and yet fly on the wall we can surely see why he feels as he does?

    I think people just don't like to hear negative emotion

    Well sometimes it doesn't go away...... why should it? What has really changed between the brothers?

    Eddie is what he is............. a father. He is bound to defend Ed. He was a useless clueless farmer himself............

    However no one ever has any compassion to listen to will...not tell him what to think and let him balance himself

    They are all useless

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    Posted by elizabeth church (U14285872) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Perhaps Nic will do/ say something. or Clarrie.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Sometimes you have to make a conscious effort to get over things that have deeply wounded you, because otherwise you are going to be stuck and your life is never going to go anywhere. Yes, Will suffered grieviously - but he has not moved on from that and it colours every aspect of his life. I've known people like that and they are like emotional vampires: nobody has ever suffered like they have.

    The truth is that horrible things happen - and you can either let them ruin your life, or you can try to make a new life. And those who cannot move on are generally those who have few friends - because everyone else finds them too draining and full of self-pity.

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    Posted by Skyebird (U14198692) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Sometimes you have to make a conscious effort to get over things that have deeply wounded you, because otherwise you are going to be stuck and your life is never going to go anywhere. Yes, Will suffered grieviously - but he has not moved on from that and it colours every aspect of his life. I've known people like that and they are like emotional vampires: nobody has ever suffered like they have.

    The truth is that horrible things happen - and you can either let them ruin your life, or you can try to make a new life. And those who cannot move on are generally those who have few friends - because everyone else finds them too draining and full of self-pity.  
    You are 100% right Mieteka

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    Posted by shesings (U2666459) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Perhaps Nic will do/ say something. or Clarrie. 

    Clarrie was the useless prat who compounded Will's hurt and grief when Emma first ran off with Ed by telling him that Em, Ed and George were a family now and he just had to accept it. It was a totally outrageous reaction from any mother to her son and it would have served the heartless insensitive car right if her elder son had never spoken to her again!

    Nic might get him to realise that he should concentrate on George's welfare and treat Ed with polite indifference.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    You do know Meitika that lecturing someone to move on and change their ways is the fastest way of invalidating their feelings... making them feel lesser and potentially sticking them in the very complication they should get away from?

    'Count your blessings' as a mantra unless adopted directly by the person concenred... coming from an outsider is simply telling them they are worth nothing

    Not even understanding

    Yes from everyone elses perspective a moved on will would make them all feel less uncomfortable.

    However he is never going to get there with his idiot family and their attitudes

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Sometimes you have to make a conscious effort to get over things that have deeply wounded you, because otherwise you are going to be stuck and your life is never going to go anywhere. Yes, Will suffered grieviously - but he has not moved on from that and it colours every aspect of his life. I've known people like that and they are like emotional vampires: nobody has ever suffered like they have.

    The truth is that horrible things happen - and you can either let them ruin your life, or you can try to make a new life. And those who cannot move on are generally those who have few friends - because everyone else finds them too draining and full of self-pity.  
    But it helps enormously with the moving on process if other people sometimes acknowledge what you have been through, and tell you that you must be a strong person not to have gone completely bonkers, and generally help you feel better about yourself. No one has tried to help Will feel better about himself, not even Nic really.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I don't think I said anything about "lecturing" anybody about moving on - just stating that Will needs to do this if he wants to have any real quality of life.

    And actually, I was speacking from personal experience - when I was contemplating suicide after life went disasterously wrong, so I could see no reason to continue to live at all. And then I realised that it was up to me - that I had a choice to have a good life, or a miserable one. Which is the same choice that Will has. Sadly, he has chosen to take the miserable path through life.

    Eddie did the right thing by refusing to give Will any validation. Maybe it's time for Will to seek professional help to allow him to move on? But he would have to chose to accept that help, and that will involve acknowledging that he has a problem and also that there are no absolutes - that nothing is black and white, because it all depends upon the perspective you are viewing the situation from.

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Top post Auntie Molly although I do think Nic has tried to reassure him that he is a good man and to get him to move on. It must really irk Will how little support he got as the wronged party but he is only prolonging the pain and hurting his son by not being able to hide the feelings he will justifiably have. As someone put it on another thread Will should focus on making a happy life for him and his family as the best revenge he can get on those who wronged him and then take unuttered pleasure in leaving them behind.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    >The truth is that horrible things happen - and you can either let them ruin your life, or you can try to make a new life. And those who cannot move on are generally those who have few friends - because everyone else finds them too draining and full of self-pity.<

    Great post and it also explains why Will needs professional help because no one around him will be able to understand why he is still so miserable six years and one new wife on.

    He'll be forcing Nic away at this rate - she must be a saint to accept being second rate all the time.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I predict that Nic will have a baby in 2013 and Will will feel better when he has his own child living with him full-time. I'm afraid he sees people ie wives, children, as possessions.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    That's a really good point - and it makes me wonder why this is the case?

    What is it about Will that means he has no support system?

    We know how Eddie and Clarrie reacted - but what about his friends? Why were they not there for him, supporting him and helping him reach a better place mentally? Because all this anger Will has inside him is very negative. And in what - 6 or 7 years - he's not reached any resolution, the anger is just as raw as it ever was. Perhaps it is even worse.

    as for Nic - well, she is inititially neutral in the whole affair, not being one of the participants. You would expect her, as Will's wife, to be firmly on his side in all things to do with George. And yet she can see the situation with greater clarity, and was very supportive to Emma. To me, that showed Nic was putting George first, and also that she was able to sympathise with Emma's redicament having been a single mum finding it hard to ake ends meet. So Nic has risen above the situation - but that must wound Will. He is surely entitled to think that Nic will be on his side? Is this another "betrayal" that will haunt him too?

    Poor Will - he is stuck in the past.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    That wasn't completely specific to you Meitika it was a developing of comments made else threads as well. However you did say on another thread

    " Instead of counting his blessings, Will can only ever see the negative,"

    I do think will has never had any validation............ and that is the very real stumbling block in his life.

    I said ages ago in any other circumstance these brothers would be estranged and never see each other and that would be just fine and possibly a lot more healthy!

    I also think on every other topic except his brother will has shown very much that he has got on with his life and he is a committed determined parent to Georgie happy with Nic and her children etc

    If his one quirk is he hates his brother. ...well maybe all he will learn to do is just not tell anyone what he is feeling then they can all be comfy

    Box it up Will..... maybe your therapist might look at you and just listen.

    Shdes of grey indeed in life but that still means you are allowed to feel. Why should he wish him well? Really why should he?

    Perhaps a therapist would help him with establishing boundaries and communication with his parents

    Just once I would like Will to be quick enough and angry enough to bring up some points with Clarrie and Eddie.

    Good luck to him. he is surrounded by weak fools in Eddie and Clarrie

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    It's taken a long time for Eddie to say what he said tonight - and by not saying anything, that actually is validating Will's world-view. he should have been encouraged to get counselling years ago and it's a tragedy that he hasn't had professional help.

    It wouldn't tae much for him to think that Nic (by her support of Emma) has betrayed him, that he has no-one on his side... and the consequences of that could be devastating.

    The fact that Nic did not feel able to tell Will that she didn't want another baby leads me to wonder if their relationship will last.

    Most therapists don't just listen - they ask questions and get you to examine your feelings and reactions to circumstances. It's never too late to ask for help and it really can make a difference. Some people need permission to move on - others have to be told that they hold the power within themselves and that they, and only they, can do something about it. Better that Will channel all his negative emotions into something more positive rather than letting them continue to fester.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    > he is surrounded by weak fools in Eddie and Clarrie<

    And yet he had Eddie's full support when Ed went off on drugs, didn't he?

    It seems to me that Will isn't looking for validation as you might think of it - he's had that from Eddie and Clarrie at various times, because no one approved of Em running off with Ed and they said so at the time - but his form of validation would be for everyone to reject Ed just as he does.

    And when his family won't reject Ed he takes that as a personal rejection himself and that loops back to reinforce his feelings of bitterness. No wonder he doesn't have any friends.

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    No one has tried to help Will feel better about himself,  Except Edward, when he found Will near Great Yarmouth, and told him he would always be George's father.

    ..... Will admits he really wanted to kill Ed, but Ed says it doesn't matter any more. Will is convinced that Ed will take George away from him, and Ed has a job to convince him that he would never stop George from seeing him; Will will always be George's dad. George loves and misses him. The brothers both weep, and gently Ed says he'll drive Will's car home, so that Will can go with Eddie. The family is together again.


    Which the scripties have forgotten. Seemingly.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    > he is surrounded by weak fools in Eddie and Clarrie<

    And yet he had Eddie's full support when Ed went off on drugs, didn't he?

    It seems to me that Will isn't looking for validation as you might think of it - he's had that from Eddie and Clarrie at various times, because no one approved of Em running off with Ed and they said so at the time - but his form of validation would be for everyone to reject Ed just as he does.

    And when his family won't reject Ed he takes that as a personal rejection himself and that loops back to reinforce his feelings of bitterness. No wonder he doesn't have any friends. 
    very astute summation.

    Really, poor Will is stuck in a downwards spiral. He's sucking up inot himself - with no friends, his wife taking the wider view (rather that automatically siding with him) and now his father expressing shock and horror at the attitudes that have become an integral part of Will. it's all very depressing.

    I actually feel sorry for Will. He's effectively managed to isolate himself.

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    >Which the scripties have forgotten. Seemingly.<

    No, Will has forgotten. That conversation would never have been enough to help Will.

    i'm sorry to bang on about this but Will is not well and he needs professional help. Up to now he's only received sticking plaster that peels off in water when what he actually needs is someone to help stitch him up below skin level.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by carolyn (U15450251) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    That's not exactly fair - I think Mietaka was simply stating what is obviously true, not saying that a lecture would drag Will out of his festering resentment & hurt. I agree his feelings need to be fully acknowledged by any helpful outsider. However, he has every chance of being happy with Nic, so he could be encouraged to recognize his good fortune now, & set about relegating the past, as all need to do, if they aren't to have a forever embittered future.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    But what do people think Will should actually do and feel?

    Seriously all the professional help in the world to do what?

    Just to forget..............? Or to say what... it doesn't matter now (the thing is it does to will)?

    I think we are discussing professional help as though Will can be 'fixed' in some way

    To see the world as others wish him to..........

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    >I think we are discussing professional help as though Will can be 'fixed' in some way<

    Professional help, if Will were prepared to accept it and work with it, would help him to understand what had happened, and "move on".

    Professional help doesn't make everything right overnight, it's hard work and often it's not very comfortable. But it helps you to understand what has happened, where your own actions may have contributed to your situation, even if you think of yourself as the victim (maybe particularly if that's so) and it helps you to forgive yourself and others and to learn from your mistakes and to move on.

    And to be content with and celebrate what you have now rather than to hark back endlessly to the ills you perceived that were inflicted upon you. Basically it helps to remove that cankerous bitterness from inside you. Possibly not a good outcome for a soap character but well worth having in RL.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Great post and it also explains why Will needs professional help because no one around him will be able to understand why he is still so miserable six years and one new wife on. 

    Will doesn't need professional help. He needs the people closest to him (ie, Nic, and his parents) to acknowledge the wrong he has been done by Ed and Emma.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Very well put indeed, old cath. An excellent summation of what *you* have to do, whether or not you are offered professional help. I think you and I are singing from the same hymn sheet.

    And moving on is essential - because what seem hugely important to *you* just becomes old and boring to those around you. We all have choices in life and we can influence how our lives will be by our attitudes. If you are embittered, then people do lose sympathy for you and move away. If you try to be positive, then people are more likely to want to be around you.

    this sounds simple. It isn't. But we all have choices as to how we play the hand life has dealt us.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Hmmm well Cath that seems to me that professional help is just to put Will in a box others find easier to deal with

    What does that phrase 'move on' really mean.?

    In all ways except loathing his brother and resenting his interference with his son he has moved on.

    Learning from mistakes.. seeing emma for what she really is I thought he had done rather well with Nics help. Has emma or ed every really accepted their role in what happened? Why is the onus on Will to do so? He was the one with definitely the least control!

    Oddly i think even handicapped by being a Grundy in many ways I think Will has really tried to get on with his life

    Good luck to him anyway. Maybe it would be refreshing if he pointed out to Eddie his shortcomings as a father

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    If Will would benefit from professional help so would Ed, given his inability to forgive Will for being George's father.

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I think we as a society are often shallow and superficial Meiteka.... we don't DO pain and hurt becasue it is difficult to listen to and brings up unattractive feelings.

    It is a cowardly thing in our society that we pull way from very genuine anger and hurt.

    Far easier for the bystander to 'move on'

    I do wish Will well but I think indifference to his brother is probably never going to come and that would be the most positive outcome. Being positive in his wider life, planning futures and enjoying it etc has already happened

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Ed was always the golden boy for Ed and Clarrie.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    > I think you and I are singing from the same hymn sheet.<

    Yes, Mietaka, i think you probably have to have been there to see it with any clarity. From which point it's very obvious and very frustrating when others can't see it.


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  • Message 43

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I think we have all probably been there to greater and lesser extents Cath (and perception counts there too)

    It is easier for others if people don't 'indulge' in negative emotions. It can however end up very isolating for the person hurt.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    moving on means accepting that the past has happened and that nothing you can do will change it. It means letting go of negative emotions and going forward with your life in a positive way and not let the past colour your every thought about your son. It means realising that good people make bad decisions.

    Will cannot be happy with all this negative emotion roiling inside him. The idea of help is not to make WIll easier for other people to deal with, but to enable him to be happy about himself. it isn't about anyone else except Will. Professional help will give him back the power to make positive choices.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Ho ho ho. People on here come from totally different stand-points, and experiences, and therefore perceive the SLs in different ways.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I'm speaking from the opposite point of view - not as the bystander - but as the one who was wounded and realised that being remaining in the past, it only meant I was empowering the person who hurt me.

    moving on isn't easy - but it is essential. Not for the bystander, but for yourself.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    >I'm speaking from the opposite point of view - not as the bystander - but as the one who was wounded and realised that being remaining in the past, it only meant I was empowering the person who hurt me<

    Me too. There's nothing as disfiguring as bitterness, whatever the high morals of the situation might be.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Of course up until recently Emma herself did not want Will to "move on". She liked the idea of him eternally pining for her and was extremely spiteful and nasty when Wil and Nic got engaged.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Of course having negative emotions is isolating - we all feel our own problems are paramount, because humans are by nature self-centred. We've all expressed sympathy to others (I hope) and genuinely meant it. but most people cannot cope with someone who is genuinely depressed. And by that I mean a medical diagnosis of clinical depression.

    And that is the vital difference. Clinical depression does not just get better by itself. You need help and you need to ask for that help and be completely honest. It's not about things being easy, because climbing out of depression is not easy, far from it. It takes years of hard work. And yes, you do lose some friends during the long journey. Some of us have experienced the "greater extent" of depression and can recognise a fellow traveller quite clearly.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by ruralsnowflakebliss (U8131914) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Do you think Will is depressed? I haven't though he has been for a couple of years although he was at the beginning

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