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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Sunday, 16th December 2012

    I'm convinced that he knows Lilian's having an affair, possibly even knowing with whom. Maybe he's hired someone to follow her and will contract kill his half-brother ! Just doesn't ring true from him somehow that Matt's being so solicitous towards her, and he is nobody's fool.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Sunday, 16th December 2012

    I agree that he knows something is going on: she has been being so stammering and futile that even someone who was deaf dumb and blind would know she'd been playing pinball.

    Whether he knows it is a full-blown affair I am unsure, but he certainly knows that Paul is in the area, because Darrell told him so.

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I agree that he knows something is going on: she has been being so stammering and futile that even someone who was deaf dumb and blind would know she'd been playing pinball.

    Whether he knows it is a full-blown affair I am unsure, but he certainly knows that Paul is in the area, because Darrell told him so. 
    Yes, I think we are in for an "Angie & Den" moment over the festive board, with slimy Crawford trying to trump Fagash in some sort of seperation settlement and division of the business.

    I hope Fagash kicks him down the stairs and says he fell !

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    Posted by Angela Stepney (U15123321) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    She can always blame a dodgy floorboard or stair rod, play him at his own game eh?

    Better he won't die, just be a bit disabled for the rest of his life and give Lil the last laugh, not to mention James and Joyce, that'll teach him not to mock the afflicated!

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Better he won't die, just be a bit disabled for the rest of his life 

    You're so cruel, Angie... I almost feel sorry for the poor bloke now. :- )

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    Posted by Angela Stepney (U15123321) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Better he won't die, just be a bit disabled for the rest of his life 

    You're so cruel, Angie... I almost feel sorry for the poor bloke now. :- )

     
    Cruel me?

    Wasn't it Matt who made Darryl take up floorboards in a house with two pensioners living there in an attempt to maximise their inconvenience and put them both in danger of accident?

    What goes around comes around!

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Better he won't die, just be a bit disabled for the rest of his life 

    You're so cruel, Angie... I almost feel sorry for the poor bloke now. :- )

     
    Cruel me?

    Wasn't it Matt who made Darryl take up floorboards in a house with two pensioners living there in an attempt to maximise their inconvenience and put them both in danger of accident?

    What goes around comes around! 
    Not cruel at all, natural justice !

    The man is pond life.

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    What goes around comes around! 

    I did say "Almost" ;- )

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    Posted by The Leech Pedlar (U15129703) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    The man is pond life. 

    Quite possibly, but think how much more boring TA would be, without a Dick Dastardly type character.

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    Posted by xraysteve (U2040923) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I'm not sure he knows that there is something going on but I am convinced that he knows he has pushed Lilian almost too far. He obviously feels something for her and I think the rather too obvious efforts he is making are genuine i their way.

    He is a slimy little toad but there is almost something sweet about him trying to suck up to someone who is, from her recent behavior, little better than he is.

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    I'm convinced that he knows Lilian's having an affair, possibly even knowing with whom. Maybe he's hired someone to follow her and will contract kill his half-brother ! Just doesn't ring true from him somehow that Matt's being so solicitous towards her, and he is nobody's fool.  I'm sure he knows-maybe not everything but he knows something's going on he's no fool.

    Odoious little toad that he is I don't want to lose him he puts a bit of life into an otherwise dreary programme-unless you name's Arthur and I'd sooner lose old Lilo Lil.

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    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Monday, 17th December 2012

    Matt certainly does liven up the programme, though he is a lowlife in some ways. Actually, I was surprised that he stooped so low by getting Daryll to put pressure on Joyce and Arthur like that, it seemed out of character.

    I do remember how different Paul was - ie. not nice - when he met Matt that time. I think all three of them deserve each other ! They are all playing games with each other.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    He's closing his grip on them, for sure !

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    Matt knows, because we have heard her say so, that Lilian is very angry with him because of a) the way he treated Joyce and Aurthur, b) his management of Amside which is supposed to be a joint enterprise c) his distance from her in their relationship. She has made it clear to him that she is rethinking it and that's enough to make him pull out all the stops without any knowledge of an affair.

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    Posted by Skyebird (U14198692) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    I'm sure Matt knows. He also knows that he cannot run the business with out Lillian. He will find some way to keep her and have revenge on Paul. Matt is not the sort to let go of what he considers his property. I suspect he will confront Paul and warn him off with some sort of threat.

    On the subject of his behaviour with the elderly couple, I was surprised he went so far. I always thought he was ruthless but it seemed too obvious to me.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Arkwright Hall (U8718267) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    It's up to Lil to choose. She has exactly the same relationship with both brothers - they are both divorced, she widowed, and she's "being nice" to both of them. None of them is "having an affair" as none of them is married with anyone. (Morals may be debated, but such shennanagins are rife in the family ...)

    She happens to be more financially involved with Matt, but he will soon enough find someone else to front up his activities to keep him out of trouble. Step forward Brenda?

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    I think the difference between Matt and Paul is that Lilian has been living with Matt and (whatever he may or may not have felt like trying on) they have been being sexually constant for more than seven years. This is slightly different from having seen someone about five times and had sex with them on two occasions, in terms of committment or lack of it.

    There is also the little matter that when Paul made his decision to have an affair with Lilian, Lilian was living with Paul's brother. Absolutely regardless of what Matt had or had not done to or with anyone, to set out to have sex with someone who is living with someone else and as far as you know having sex only with that one person is bad behaviour no matter what else is involved. Lerve is not an excuse for it. It might be a reason, but it is no excuse.

    I just hope this one isn't the HIV story.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    Lilian was not living with Matt when she first got close to Paul and they were on the brink of sleeping with each other. He was in prison.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    And that Matt was in prison for a limited period and unable to be in her bed makes it ok for her to look around her for another partner? I do hope that most people who are put into prison for six months because they drove the car dangerously or something don't have to spend six months wondering who, or how many, their wives have taken to their bads to keep them worm.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    No, but I'm a pedant and it wasn't the case that they were living together. In fact she didn't look around for another partner while he was in prison, she turned to Paul for comfort and once Matt came out all further contact was cut off. She didn't resume contact with him until she met him by accident ,and on the night when James was injured and Matt refused to come, she rang him.

    It was only after she found out about Matt's treatment of Joyce and Arthur and how he had been running Amside behind her back that she began to withdraw from him emotionally.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    Well said, Chris.

    None of them are saints in this matter. Faults all around. And surely Paul can't be quite as wonderful as he seems? talk about stereotyping - the guy is even involved in renovating a church at the same time as Matt is trying to get the gruesome twosome out of their house.

    Yes - I know what Matt did was awful - in RL. But Joyce and Arthur could never exist in RL - they were cardboard cariacatures parachuted in for one purpose only - to show Matt as the closest thing to the devil incarnate. I refused to believe in them.

    Re Amside being a joint venture - exactly what does Lilian do? Next to nothing, as far as I can see. She is forever brushing Brenda off when the poor girl is trying to get her to do something onerous like scrawl her signature on a piece of paper, and spends the rest of the time either running around after a grown son or indulging in adulterous liaisons.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    You're right -- at the point at which Matt went to prison on 12th November 2009, they hadn't been together for seven years, only six. Perhaps the fact that they have been living together since 18th May 2010 as well, another eighteen months, confused me. I think though that in the circumstances she perhaps ought to think of him as someone she is living with rather than as a casual partner for sex, let's say.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    You're right -- at the point at which Matt went to prison on 12th November 2009, they hadn't been together for seven years, only six. Perhaps the fact that they have been living together since 18th May 2010 as well, another eighteen months, confused me. I think though that in the circumstances Lilian perhaps ought to think of Matt as someone she is living with rather than as a casual partner for sex, let's say.

    What percentage of children is it who were born without their parents being married, at the last census? And how many cohabiting partners were not? I think we need to start thinking of long-term cohabiting partnerships as a marriage-equivalent, especially if marriages are quite likely to last less than five years.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    You're right -- at the point at which Matt went to prison on 12th November 2009, they hadn't been together for seven years, only six. Perhaps the fact that they have been living together since 18th May 2010 as well, another eighteen months, confused me. I think though that in the circumstances she perhaps ought to think of him as someone she is living with rather than as a casual partner for sex, let's say.  Of course she should and does. We're this oit ty case she wouldn't have got him back from Costa Rica or stood by him when he was in prison. They're in a settled long term relationship but one which is bedevilled by Matt's problems with intimacy - that's what this story started with, his adopted status.

    . I think Matt might be working up to a marriage proposal

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    All right, how did that first draft escape?

    I apologise for the repetition.

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    All right, how did that first draft escape?

    I apologise for the repetition. 
    I completely agree with your second paragraph. I have friends together for twenty years with two children who have never seen any particular reason to go to the registry office and declare their commitment to each other in front of a registrar.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    I think the relationship may be bedevilled by Matt's problems with intimacy with Lilian, and by Lilian's problems of being intimate with people other than Matt.

    If he is working up to a proposal, that'll rattle her!

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    It would be brilliant!

    Will he go down on one knee on Christmas Day, perhaps?

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    She won' 'alf stammer...

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    So well said too, Mieteka, agree with all you post. Maybe you're right as well, Chris, re. the marriage proposal, perhaps this story could go in that direction, though the signs seem to be flagging up that he knows all about their liason.

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Thursday, 20th December 2012

    So well said too, Mieteka, agree with all you post. Maybe you're right as well, Chris, re. the marriage proposal, perhaps this story could go in that direction, though the signs seem to be flagging up that he knows all about their liason.  What signs are there that he knows? There are none. He is responding to a row they had after she found out about his treatment of Joyce and Arthur since when he has been trying to get back in her good books.

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    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Lauraoorer, quite simply, it doesn't ring at all true that he is being so solicitous towards her. He knows that his step-brother is in the area and that Lilian was close to him. Lilian is behaving oddly, out of character towards Matt, secretive and uninterested in him ( yes, Lilian and Matt fell out over Joyce & Arthur, but Matt knows of old that Lilian has always adored him).

    Knowing Matt's character as he's been drawn for us, to date, his ever pertinant questions as to what she's doing and where etc. simply don't ring at all true. They come across as building up a picture towards the sting.

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    But she has already threatened to leave him and without her fronting Amside his business model falls apart. She has to be a director. That's enough to pull out all the stops to keep her.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Fagash's behaviour is inexcusable. I think you would find that she was still living with Matt whilst he was in prison because she was living in his house.

    She is still living in his house as his partner - f she wants to change that she should tell him so not sneak around meeting sleazy Paul in seedy hotels.

    Even worse she is using joyce and arthur as an excuse for shagging Paul. If she had really cared about them she would have sacked Matt for gross misconduct not kept him on and cried crocodile tears.

    But course it is so much easier to play around than actually do something about her relationship isn't t?

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I assumed they would have stayed in a very nice hotel in Cheltenham. Can't See Lilian putting up with seedy. Especially as Paul had booked such a nice restaurant

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Even the best hotels can seem seedy if the intention is so.

    After all some whores use to top hotels.

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I don't think their intention is seedy. But I might be a bit more broad-minded than others here. When a relationship is failing, affairs do happen. Some marriages survive them, others don't. It's seedy if it feels seedy. Very subjective.

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I'm not convinced that it is narrow-minded to think you should finish one relationship before starting another.

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    Posted by Elouali (U9191767) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Matt's responses come across to me as being more 'animal', personal that business-tied. I think he knows she's having an affair with his step-brother and will move in on it. Remember the meeting between Matt and Paul, Paul wasn't the nice guy then and Matt's response was on that animal, instinctive level.

    I agree with Anna K ( !) that Lilian is behaving very badly and playing games with these two men, half-brothers, amid much 'shopping', 'special-ness', and the interminable pampering ( as discussed on another thread - I mean, why does she need pampering, she's not exactly hard at the grind-stone anyway).

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I think it is all the sneaking around Lillian is doing, combined with the mutual panting with Paul, that makes this whole tawdry affair seedy and rather unpleasant listening. Just glad I don't listen while I'm eating dinner.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I'm not convinced that it is narrow-minded to think you should finish one relationship before starting another.   Agreed.

    Lils is too lazy and greedy to let go of Matt - she wants them both dancing attendance on her.

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I agree too. It isn't narrow minded not to like deceit. She is as Frend says just lazy and greedy.

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I suppose the joy of the Archers is that a) we all hear it differently and b) we bring a different set of life experiences to what we hear which informs our judgements.

    Still think there's no evidence that Matt knows of the affair. He's responding to her threat to leave him and the consequences for Amside.

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    Posted by Lardycake (U15279054) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I agree with Laurapoorer that there's no evidence that Matt knows Lillian is having an affair. There's actually no evidence that he is suspicious of her recent behaviour, even though he'd have to be very dim not to notice the unusual dearth of carrier bags on her returns from recent shopping trips, and the fact that she didn't immediately tell him she was in Cheltenham when he rang. I think he has taken all this information on board subconsciously and it will all suddenly fall into place given a trigger, unless something more overt happens in the meanwhile, such as his seeing them together or Lillian confessing.

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    Posted by Lardycake (U15279054) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I also think that Matt is crawling to Lillian purely because, as someone said upthread, he knows he has pushed her too far and needs to get back in her good books. He is totally selfish and knows he needs her to front his business. I think he is genuinely fond of Lillian, but he is so ruthless businesswise that that is his prime motive in smarming round her like he is at present.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by carolyn (U15450251) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Ditto. He's distracted by the need for her to be on side again & doesn't read the runes. I don't think his imagination runs to the possibility that she might be with another man - he's over confident in that area.
    He is, after all, practised at winning her back when she's rumbled one of his dirty tricks. It's just more of the same for him ; their relationship is built round such episodes

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    Matt knew that Lilian was in Cheltenham for the day, so why did she need to tell him that was where she was having her lunch?

    I don't think she had been at a sleazy hotel with Paul, or even at a posh one, because she met up with him in Cheltenham after leaving Ambridge in the morning.

    I'd reckon he has a pretty good idea that there is something wrong with their relationship, and may think it is only because of Arthur or may think there is more to it than that ; and I think it may be that he is afraid that without Lilian to be its director there is no future for Amside, or it might even be that he's "grown accustomed to her face".

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Lynetta Pavlova (U14864661) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I thought we'd heard some time ago that Matt was unfaithful (obviously he was to his ex-wife which is always something for a new partner to bear in mind) but I'm pretty sure Lillian was convinced he'd been playing away.

    Morally I don't think he's got a leg to stand on, and he knows it. I'm sure I'd hate him in RL but I do rather enjoy his character; I think he's rather like the panto villain and TA would be much duller without him.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Laurapoorer (U15518808) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I believe he was flirting with Annabelle but Lilian soon saw her off.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Mieteka (U14938651) on Friday, 21st December 2012

    I think you've summed it up perfectly - I would cross the street to avoid Matt in RL, but he is a wonderful character and TA would be so much poorer without him.

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