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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    let there be no more nonsense on here about Nic being scared of Will, having to walk on eggshells around him etc etc. She proved conclusively tonight that she isn't.

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Nic was splendid tonight. She is the voice of reason in the midst of all this family angst.

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    Posted by Skyebird (U14198692) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    She was magnificent.

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    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Absolutely. *AND* Will listened, too. He's not an ogre. He seemed genuinely to be engaged. He responds to love, which Nic really does feel -- in the care she takes, the concern she has for him, and his son.

    A great scene.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I have been saying ever since she had a go at Will for being stupidly jealous back in September 2010 that there is no way that Nic is scared of Will.

    There was just one really major flaw in tonight's example of her not-grovelling not-fear of him.

    Nic has no idea what happened on Friday. She was not there. The person who will have said that Will sounded off at Ed rather than the other way round would be Ed; Will's account of it would not be that he went and picked a fight with Ed, as indeed he didn't.

    So it was all very well Nic being unpleasant to Will for his being surly at the bonfire -- though how the two brothers could see each other in the dark, who knows, unless they insisted on standing next to each other like prannets? -- but she didn't have good reason to tell him off about Friday, when Ed told him that he hoped Will would lose his job. That one really was six of one and half-a-dozen of the other, and Nic ought not to assume that it was all Will's fault.

    (Like Elizabeth, she listens to The Archers, is the only explanation -- just as it was when Elizabeth knew what David had said to Nigel even though she wasn't there and nobody had told her.)

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I thought it was a good scene too. At last someone has pointed out to Will that he isn't where he is by pure hard work but that he's been incredibly lucky and that he's better off than Ed, not through hard work but pure luck.

    And that he was incredibly rude and stupid to think that any parent would knowingly drive their children around in a dangerous car.

    He still sounded very adolescent grumpy though.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    But she told Will that she and Emma were spending their time at bonfire night yesterday keeping him and Ed apart - so she must have heard about if from Em.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by shesings (U2666459) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Yes, well done, Nic! Sense and reason at long last!

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Bette, I don't think that if I were Nic I would accept Emma as being a fair witness, especially siince she wasn't there either. Iw ould accept there had been a row, but I would not assume that it had been all Will's fault, if I knew both of them -- which Nic does.

    The whole having to keep them apart at the bonfire thing seemed nosensical to me: more then six feet apart in the dark, they wouldn't even see each other.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Dora Pandle (U14741938) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    She wouldn't need to be there to know that it was a bad idea for Will to have a conversation with Ed when he was angry. It wasn't all Will's fault but it was stupid of him to go round there.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Nic's a big girl, completely capable of working things out for herself. She knows what the two brothers' relationship is like, so I imagine that she worked out that Will had gone over to Ed's, and the two had expectedly blown their tops off at each other. And I imagine that both Emma and Nic had, between each other, pieced together what had been said, and Nic took the view that Will had been rude in going over and blowing his top off like he did.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. That was clear from what she said to him. And I would be upset if my partner accused me of things to do with an occasion said partnewr had not been present: it's tactless at best, counterproductive as a rule.

    Will didn't go there to see Ed; he went to see Emma, whom he expected to be at home. His intention was not "to have a row".

    I agree that he should never go to see Emma at her home, since editorial policy dictates that she will be out and Ed will be there all ready to wind him up, but he hasn't learnt that and because it is editorial policy I doubt that he will learn it. For some reason he thinks that he ought to be able to speak with his ex-wife about their son without using her new boyfriend as an intermediary.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I thought it was a good scene too. At last someone has pointed out to Will that he isn't where he is by pure hard work but that he's been incredibly lucky and that he's better off than Ed, not through hard work but pure luck.

    And that he was incredibly rude and stupid to think that any parent would knowingly drive their children around in a dangerous car.

    He still sounded very adolescent grumpy though.  

    Yes, in a funny way it sounded like be was being told off by his mother!

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by cath (U2234232) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I got the feeling that Nic had snapped and realised she was the only person thinking and behaving like a responsible adult in the whole household.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Well done to Nic. She knows exactly what Will is like. Fortunately she was not party to all of the history of the Grundy brothers and the Emma love triangle so she is able to take a rational view.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by carolyn (U15450251) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Yes - he's so unused to Nic challenging him, especially in the way she did - so fair & incisive, that he was like a gasping fish out of water.
    Good for her !

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    She's challenged him quite a few times (working at The Bull comes immediately to mind).

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    How anybody could call her nasty Nic is beyond me. No one has responded to my request of examples of the accusations that have been made on the board that she favours her kids unfairly over George either. Her motivations tonight were pure care for George and sympathy for Ed and Em she didn't mind upsetting Will to make things better.
    Does this mean the end of nasty Nic who is terrified of Will and just wants his money, hates George and would abuse him if she thought she could get away with it posts? I think not although they will have to think especially hard to come up with some negative interpretation of Nic this time.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by carolyn (U15450251) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I think I missed all that, but, of course, take your word for it.
    Maybe she's always been tentative about anything relating to George, though, before now ? ( as she once had the temerity to smack him, when he was being a little sod ; but that thread has been done to death elsewhere, I Ibelieve)

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Oh, but I already did, Dailyfix: I have said that she was a bit too prepared to behave as if she had been present at a conversation which she can only have heard about at second hand, possibly only at third hand, and that was not good behaviour.

    That I absolutely sympathise with what she wanted to do, and with her suggested way of doing it, doesn't alter the fact that her means were a tad iffy as far as I am concerned.

    If I didn't know it was an editorial decision so we could have a nice climax of anger on Friday night, I would want to know why she didn't say "Don't you go saying anything, I will sort it out between women with Emma" some days ago, but I know that she was not the person who decided to delay until Ed had had a chance to make Emma dig in her feet about it and refuse to hear of the idea, if he has his way. I hope Ed doesn't, because I want George to have a bit of a less miserable time.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    How anybody could call her nasty Nic is beyond me. No one has responded to my request of examples of the accusations that have been made on the board that she favours her kids unfairly over George either. Her motivations tonight were pure care for George and sympathy for Ed and Em she didn't mind upsetting Will to make things better.
    Does this mean the end of nasty Nic who is terrified of Will and just wants his money, hates George and would abuse him if she thought she could get away with it posts? I think not although they will have to think especially hard to come up with some negative interpretation of Nic this time. 
    Agreed Dailyfix. Nasty Nic my ar*e.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by carolyn (U15450251) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Yes, surely they will. She's always come across as a sweetie when I've been following her SL & was very badly treated - totally OTT - over that silly 'smack' episode. The only wonder was that she ever considered getting involved with William & his family ever again.
    Lerv, I suppose.
    Without being smug at all, she is a force for good - hardworking, kind, loyal, positive.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    I got the feeling that Nic had snapped and realised she was the only person thinking and behaving like a responsible adult in the whole household.   Totally agree.

    She had VERY specifically told Will to be diplomatic, and however she heard it, she knows fine well now that he behaved like a bull-headed boor - as she said.

    So she's taken the initiative of trying to teach Will how to be an adult. Big job, doing that and looking after the other difficult kid in the household - Georgie.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    At last someone has pointed out to Will that he isn't where he is by pure hard work but that he's been incredibly lucky and that he's better off than Ed, not through hard work but pure luck. 

    He has been lucky but he has ALSO worked hard. He's had an ambition since he was young and worked for it steadily, despite the mocking of his father.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Tuesday, 6th November 2012

    Dailyfix, I would not insist that Will ever said 'sorry' to Ed. I did not have to think hard to come up with that interpretation!

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    I am surprised Nic can feel such sympathy for two people that hurt her husband so much. My feelings towards the ex-wife who hurt my OH and caused him ( a good, hands on father) to be unable to live with his children are not as charitable. But then my I am real, Nic is not.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    When we first met Nic she was in desperate financial straits trying to support two children. I think she empathises with Ed & Em because she was fairly recently in their shoes. I also think she sees Emma as a decent mother, is genuinely fond of George and wants world peace (to quote Miss Congeniality). I agree with you that I would dislike Ed & Em in her shoes but another poster pointed out that Will's dislike is focussed on Ed alone and so maybe that has an affect. Also Nic is a much nicer, less vindictive person than me. I know several people like her who are amazingly forgiving and inexplicably full of good will. The Bob Cratchetts of the world if you will, I think Nic is one of those but he was fictional too so maybe you have a point!

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    At last someone has pointed out to Will that he isn't where he is by pure hard work but that he's been incredibly lucky and that he's better off than Ed, not through hard work but pure luck. 

    He has been lucky but he has ALSO worked hard. He's had an ambition since he was young and worked for it steadily, despite the mocking of his father.  
    I agree. He has been lucky but has also made a lot of his own luck.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Yes good for Nic for telling him how it is. But I am not convinced that she really wants to be lumbered with George more than she is. I think she sees having him a bit more might shut WIll up for a bit.

    Not sure how them having George a bit more will help ed and em financially though. I doubt they will see it either.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in.

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    and she must be as sick of it as many of us are.....

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    ...but Dailyfix, have the Cratchitts you know had their partner sleep with and leave with their siblings?

    Obviously, Bob Cratchitt and Nic are fictional ideals and characters in a morality tale. However IMO Nic's first loyalty is to Will. She probably fancies bluddy Ed in his white T shirt! What a superb SL that would be.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Because of the back story of Will losing a wife to his brother one would think Nic might be sensitive about supporting said brother.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Wilhelmina Scream (U15269438) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 

    This.

    I felt that Ed's admonishment of Will for not appreciating how much of a part Will's good fortune has played in setting him over Ed was spot on. He could have phrased it more amicably, or course, but he was being provoked in the usual manner by Will.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    I never thought Nic was scared of Will.

    She was fantastic tonight absolutely bloody marvellous in fact!

    Go Nic go!!!!

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    The row on Friday was Will's fault insofar as he stupidly talked to Ed at all.

    The aggressive nastiness on that occasion started with the "Well, spit it out, then" from Ed, demanding to know what he had just been told was something Will wanted to discuss with *Emma*, not him.

    Clearly Wil ought never to go anywhere near any place in which Ed might be, in case he allows Ed's taunting to make him respond to it. However, I am not prepared to accept any assertion that Will went there to have a row or to make trouble. He went there to see *Emma*, not Ed, and did not expect to see or haveto talk with Ed at all.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Who cares whether or not Will intended to talk to Ed - the point is he did and very undiplomatically not to say aggressively. Ed did respond in kind of course BUT you could hardly expect him to do otherwise.

    The bottom line is that this has brought things to a head and Nic is clearly going to SORT IT OUT.

    Good for her I say.

    Note to Emma - accept gracefully you miserable old trout or else!!!

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    The aggressive nastiness on that occasion started with the "Well, spit it out, then" from Ed, demanding to know what he had just been told was something Will wanted to discuss with *Emma*, not him. 

    That's exactly how I remember it. Will was reasonable enough before Ed said that. It's all very well saying he should have tried to be diiplomatic, but that is difficult when the person you are talking to doesn't want to tgive you a fair hearing.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by EsmeandSebastiansGrannyNic (U12027312) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    let there be no more nonsense on here about Nic being scared of Will, having to walk on eggshells around him etc etc. She proved conclusively tonight that she isn't. 

    I rather enjoyed last nights episode, and I haven't said that for a while, I have liked Nic for a while, I think Wil shoudl shake Ed's hand for taking on miserable Emma, so Wil ended up with sensible Nic. (Excellent name too)!

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Margaret (U14756851) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Yes, surely they will. She's always come across as a sweetie when I've been following her SL & was very badly treated - totally OTT - over that silly 'smack' episode. The only wonder was that she ever considered getting involved with William & his family ever again.
    Lerv, I suppose.
    Without being smug at all, she is a force for good - hardworking, kind, loyal, positive. 
    like her mother-in-law. I can't but feel sorry for Clarrie for have such idiotic sons, it would break any mother's heart.

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by Margaret (U14756851) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Who cares whether or not Will intended to talk to Ed - the point is he did and very undiplomatically not to say aggressively. Ed did respond in kind of course BUT you could hardly expect him to do otherwise.

    The bottom line is that this has brought things to a head and Nic is clearly going to SORT IT OUT.

    Good for her I say.

    Note to Emma - accept gracefully you miserable old trout or else!!! 
    Nic will be able to speak from experience, was she not pennyless when Willyum first met her? There's nothing like empathy to win someone round.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by EsmeandSebastiansGrannyNic (U12027312) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 


    I think Ed and Wil are as bad as each other Anna.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by exxers (U15150817) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 


    I think Ed and Wil are as bad as each other Anna. 
    Snork! exxers

    Er, TKs: finalising arrangements for the 10k? I'm keen on JPBS' warm idea - but think am in the minority?

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by exxers (U15150817) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 


    I think Ed and Wil are as bad as each other Anna. 
    Snork! exxers

    Er, TKs: finalising arrangements for the 10k? I'm keen on JPBS' warm idea - but think am in the minority? 
    APOLOGIES:

    I thought I was else-thread: didn't mean to post in here!

    exxers

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by EsmeandSebastiansGrannyNic (U12027312) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 


    I think Ed and Wil are as bad as each other Anna. 
    Snork! exxers

    Er, TKs: finalising arrangements for the 10k? I'm keen on JPBS' warm idea - but think am in the minority? 
    APOLOGIES:

    I thought I was else-thread: didn't mean to post in here!

    exxers 


    Sorry Exxers my fault I think

    theothernicx

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    "I agree that he should never go to see Emma at her home, since editorial policy dictates that she will be out and Ed will be there all ready to wind him up, "

    Will could avert this problem by ringing Emma and making an appointment to speak with her instead of dropping in on her to return her child early from his contact visits and to discuss what he knows will be upsetting matters.

    I'm a Will supporter normally but he's being too triumphant over Emma's hardship and Nick was right to shirrick him about it and to tell him to behave himself. He's too keen to find fault and to complain when things are not done as he thinks they ought to be in the Kindom of Will.

    Having said that, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and both brothers display the cow like stupidity of Clarrie and the mean-minded cupidity of Eddie.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by exxers (U15150817) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    < Someone has told Nic there was a row, and she has inaccurately extrapolated that the row was all Will's fault. >

    It was his fault and I expect she gathered that from the way he ranted once he returned home on Friday. She knows exactly what he is like when it comes to Ed. Always quick to accuse and stick the knife in. 


    I think Ed and Wil are as bad as each other Anna. 
    Snork! exxers

    Er, TKs: finalising arrangements for the 10k? I'm keen on JPBS' warm idea - but think am in the minority? 
    APOLOGIES:

    I thought I was else-thread: didn't mean to post in here!

    exxers 


    Sorry Exxers my fault I think

    theothernicx 
    Sorry: it was MY fault! While, Nic and you are clearly interesting, Nic in TA doesn't particularly interest me. Unsubscribing...hope you enjoy the thread! Apologies for barging in. Thanks, exxers

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    >>>How anybody could call her nasty Nic is beyond me<<<

    The use of this epithet dates from the time she went in for physical chastisement of poor wee Georgie. Based on what has happened since, however, the whole circumstance looks like a short-term personality transplant by the SWs in the service of the (then) current storyline.

    Nicknames have a way of sticking, though. I find it difficult to think of Roy as anything but Roy of the Racists or Roy of the Rotas despite the fact that he gave up these activities years ago.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Thegoodtranslator (U14190653) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    I never thought Nic was scared of Will.

    She was fantastic tonight absolutely bloody marvellous in fact!

    Go Nic go!!!! 
    Another one cheering Nic on here!

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Wednesday, 7th November 2012

    Just tagging on. I heard this episode this afternoon and I thought Nic was a bit out of line. How does she know about the conversation to feel so confident about what should be done - she was not there which means she has heard a second hand account - Ed's account probably.

    Will has Ed and Emma going at him and now Nic which I think is a bit much. A poster has said upthread that Nic probably fancies Ed - please no (although I can see it as a real possibility because Ed has always hankered after what Will has) I really think Will has had enough betrayal in his life.

    Bebop

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