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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you.

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  • Message 3

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you.  

    Really Bette ??
    You can't see it coming ??

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  • Message 4

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Not the point. I only speak for myself on this board.

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  • Message 5

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by pigsrlovely (U14715579) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I thought tonight's episode was dull dull dull dull dull dull dull

    Your tirade re the sw was warranted. Didnt enjoy tonight's offering one bit.

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  • Message 6

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you.
    Really Bette ??
    You can't see it coming ?? 


    Nor me. And in the posts I've seen from you today (sorry, don't remember having seen you post previously) I don't think we agree on our interpretation so no I don't see coming what you see coming.

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  • Message 7

    , in reply to message 4.

    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Not the point. I only speak for myself on this board.   Oops... pardon me for breathing.


    Note to the SW's....
    Bette doesn't see it coming..
    maybe you do have a target marget after all.

    C.

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  • Message 8

    , in reply to message 7.

    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    No need to be so aggressive, is there?

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  • Message 9

    , in reply to message 6.

    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you.
    Really Bette ??
    You can't see it coming ?? 


    Nor me. And in the posts I've seen from you today (sorry, don't remember having seen you post previously) I don't think we agree on our interpretation so no I don't see coming what you see coming.  
    I don't post as much as some... but I have been here for quite a while..
    I have read some of your post today too, and I am sure you are right since I haven't agreed with any of your interpretations either..

    None the less.. whether you see it coming or not Peggy.. you mark my words this IS where this SL is going.

    C

    Before I get letters let me remind everyone that it's an opinion... as ALL the posts here at Discuss the Archers are. !!

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  • Message 10

    , in reply to message 8.

    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    No need to be so aggressive, is there?   I'm sorry Bette..
    I was under the impression that you were the one who set the tone of this dialogue.
    But do feel free to end it any time you like.
    C.

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  • Message 11

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Mary Philo (U15488067) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C. 
    I agree that the Ed/Emma/Will storyline is excrutiatingly predictable and will probably have listeners turning off in droves. Why not allow Will some moral growth instead of regurgitating the same old emnities? How much more interesting it would be if he did the unexpected and instead of a custody battle over George he did the right thing and shared some of his ill-gotten inheritance. This is not a medieval moral play where the villains are stuck in their bad old ways.

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  • Message 12

    , in reply to message 9.

    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    None the less.. whether you see it coming or not Peggy.. you mark my words this IS where this SL is going.


    Before I get letters let me remind everyone that it's an opinion... as ALL the posts here at Discuss the Archers are. !! 


    Well you don't really come over as expressing an opinion. More like telling us what is.

    So as you're not actually interested in an exchange of opinions so I'll leave you to it.

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  • Message 13

    , in reply to message 10.

    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Have done so.

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  • Message 14

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you.  

    Nor me

    I never thought any such thing, I thought it was just an excuse to have the latest showdown between Ed and Weirdo to see how far Weirdo goes this time to finish Ed off.

    Never even occurred to me there'd be anything to do with George.
    Was Emma actually awarded custody legally originally?
    Only I seem to remember reading that like the maintenance, they just worked it out betwen them, so why bother after all these years to go to the law?

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  • Message 15

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C. 
    You can include me. Excellent post.

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  • Message 16

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C. 
    You can include me. Excellent post. 
    Me too teddy.

    Top post.

    And if any SWs are reading this - I would like to commend you to the inestimable Dracs' excellent posts throughout ML which articulate the thoughts of many TA listeners on the failing downturn of this programme, and which reach far more literate and persuasive heights than I could ever hope to achieve.

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 14.

    Posted by spoonsth3 (U2351014) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Wasn't the awarding of custody something to do with the fact that Emma was witness to attempted murder and ABH but was prepared to say nothing about it?

    As someone not averse to shopping her relatives she still has that card to play in the event of a custody battle.

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Wasn't the awarding of custody something to do with the fact that Emma was witness to attempted murder and ABH but was prepared to say nothing about it?

    As someone not averse to shopping her relatives she still has that card to play in the event of a custody battle. 

    So it was done legally?

    Attempted murder and ABH? By whom on whom?
    Weirdo, presumbly, if it's something she can use?

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 18.

    Posted by spoonsth3 (U2351014) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Had Emma not arrived at the critical point Will would have succeeded in killing his brother.

    He had bad bruising to the neck which would have been enough evidence to send his brother down.

    They decided not to press charges but to go looking for him in the wilds of Norfolk where he had done a bunk and the brothers were reconciled at that point.

    Will would hardly have seen his son let alone had custody of him had Emma not arrived at that point so she still has that card to play.

    Maybe she could also reveal the truth about it being her decision to leave him initiated by her not Ed.

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by mountetna2 (U14443003) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C. 
    You may be right, although I think the more likely thing in the short term is a Foodbank Ishoo, and to be fair to the SW's it's probably about time that problem was addressed. But as you say have Em'n'Ed actually considered the options available such as benefits, alternative utility suppliers etc?

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    "But as you say have Em'n'Ed actually considered the options available such as benefits, alternative utility suppliers etc? "

    That would involve plenty of REsearch so would be right up the prod team's boulevard. They'll need to get Ruth on to it - she a cra-in REse-cha.

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 15.

    Posted by elizabeth church (U14285872) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Can I just say to any script writers who may or may not visit this site for a little look see..
    There have been a few mentions of this through the various threads but can I just say once and for all...
    We ALL know where you are heading with the Ed and Emma poverty storyline.. straight to a custody battle for George!!

    We weren't surprised when you threw Nigel off the roof because of the blunt and frankly cackhanded way in which you wrote the lead up to it...
    and we aren't fooled now...

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips..

    But no... SW's... you have instead infantilised the characters involved AND those around them to the point where all they do is whine...

    So don't try to kid us that this is anything to do with real financial difficulty by helping these characters with actual advice.

    You just drone on to the screaming point and then take us all to family court.... we'll already be there waiting for you.!

    C. 
    You can include me. Excellent post. 
    And me.

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  • Message 23

    , in reply to message 2.

    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Please don't include me in your 'we' and 'us'.

    Thank you. 


    What Bette says.

    I enjoy listening to whatever the SWs serve up. That's part of the enjoyment, for me, of listening to someone else's story. I react to what I'm offered.

    If I wanted a different story, I'd either write it myself, or stop listening to The Archers.

    I'm rather enjoying, in a teeth-gritted sort of way, the dilemma in which EdnEm find themselves. I can indulge in Schadenfreude over some fictional characters** who are reaping what they've sowed.


    **If it were relatives or friends in RL, I'd feel and act very differently.

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  • Message 24

    , in reply to message 1.

    Posted by Lady Trudie Tilney Glorfindel Maldini (U2222312) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    This is such a great opportunity to offer people in financial trouble some proper constructive advice:

    Spend your quiet evenings looking for offers and coupons on line..

    Investigate changing your utilities suppliers.

    Contact social services about benefits available to low income families..

    You're surrounded by farms for pity's sake.. go make some barter deals for meat and veg.. you don't need eggs or milk you already get them FREE !!

    Visit Martin Lewis's website, or any one of a hundred others... full of money saving tips.. 




    Dearie me, no thanks. It's a story, not a consumer affairs advice programme..

    If the characters allwere perfect and did what they *should*, (a) it's be deadly dull and (b) what on earth would ML talk about?

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  • Message 25

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Why not allow Will some moral growth instead of regurgitating the same old emnities? 

    Really interesting comment, and I hope they do. There are chinks of it, when he calms down and listens to Nic, and starts to see that there's a different reaction than his long-established pattern of response to his brother. Both Will & Ed were pretty badly parented in this respect: Clarrie blatantly favoured Ed, and Will was criticised by his father for taking a job as a game-keeper. I don't think I'd want Will as a friend, but I do feel very sorry for him. He hasn't had it easy.

    But I wonder why you call his inheritance "ill-gotten"? He didn't murder his aunt, and he can hardly be blamed for her lack of recognition of Ed. OK, he could have shared it with Ed, but relations between them at the time were not easy ...

    I forget the actual time-line, but wasn't this around the time Ed & Emma were trying to steal George?

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  • Message 26

    , in reply to message 25.

    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    No it was after that. I would like Will to grow up too. And I would like Ed and Em to care less about appearances and get stuck into doing something about their problems.

    I think irl a couple in their position would not have remained in the village it would have been too difficult or alternatively Will would have stayed on at that job in Gloucestershire and rebuilt his life there. All this scab picking isn't good for George. A weekend dad story would have been interesting but of course no one is allowed to leave the enclave.

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  • Message 27

    , in reply to message 26.

    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Well quite, Anna. Look at the fuss that Fallon and Jlene are making about Fallon working out of the village.

    I do think that the SWs are writing Nic as having a beneficial effect on Will but they are very inconsistent. They write him too often as reverting to being meanminded and petty for no obvious reason. Now would be the time for him to share some of the twice dead aunty's largesse. I can see why Will might not have wanted to do this as he dislikes his brother. But the reality is that fairness would suggest that he pay some of Hilda's cash to the mother of his son. I can only hope in thT instance the silly woman would spend it properly.

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