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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Redbookish (U1335018) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    As I listened to Emmur'n'Ed ....

    Reap what you sow.

    Make your bed, lie in it.

    They seem more concerned with saving face than sorting out a plan. And of course they should talk to Will -- it's likely that there are higher costs associated with George as he grows up. But Emma's neurotic desire to keep on denying that Will should have much to do with the raising of his son, and Ed's jealousy and sibling rivalry mean that they aren't capable of being rational about sorting out renewed arrangements for George.

    Also, what benefits do they receive? Surely, they'd be eligible for Working or Family Tax credit? And even housing benefit?

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by jane c (U2234970) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Tsk, tsk, Redbookish.


    You *know* the SWs just don't "do" this sort of academic analytic rubbish.

    Go and lie down in a darkened room and count your blessings. Then come back all cleansed and sibling-psychoanalytically-free.

    And as for benefits et al. HARHARHAR.... Never mind HiggsBoson, you haven't even begun to recognise the planet EdnEmmur'r'on.

    Go play bubbles. Or Balloon Pop.

    Works for me.

    (winky-smiley-silly-wotsit goes [HERE])

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Thank the lord for a post that isn't a pavlovian attack on Will for existing. He speaks, the dogs start to whine.

    Yes, Ed has been jealous of Will ever since the elder brother got a job while the younger was still at school, and he has never been able to bear Will having anything without wanting to spoil it for him, starting with that job (which he enjoyed trying to mess up by poaching and making no secret of it), and with Will having a landlady who trusted him (so Ed stole from her while visiting his brother), and a car (so Ed stole it and wrote it off) and going on to marriage (so Ed slept whith WEill's intended bride when she was drunk, and went off with her within a year of the marriage) and child (whom Ed resents Will seeing any more than the bare minimum, and takes steps to prevent it if that looks like happening).

    It's an extraordinary catalogue of really bad behaviour, and *yet* everyone blames Will for not being happy about it.

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  • Message 4

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    Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    What a comfort this thread is. I get worn out supporting Will and seem to keep saying the same things over and over again its like Groundhog day.

    Bebop

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    As I listened to Emmur'n'Ed ....

    Reap what you sow.

    Make your bed, lie in it.

    They seem more concerned with saving face than sorting out a plan. And of course they should talk to Will -- it's likely that there are higher costs associated with George as he grows up. But Emma's neurotic desire to keep on denying that Will should have much to do with the raising of his son, and Ed's jealousy and sibling rivalry mean that they aren't capable of being rational about sorting out renewed arrangements for George.

    Also, what benefits do they receive? Surely, they'd be eligible for Working or Family Tax credit? And even housing benefit? 
    Oh, my goodness. Look - the scriptwriters NEVER talk about benefits you can get unless it's to further a story line as in the arrival of The Special One. Anyone remember the 'there's all sorts of help out there.'

    Apparently not for Ed and Emma when the scriptwriters want to make a point.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Auntie Clockwise (U8040384) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    They seem more concerned with saving face than sorting out a plan. 

    Why doesn't Ed speak to Oliver about his business problems?

    Mustardmitt to rather enjoying their plight, but feel sorry for Keira - at least George could be rescued by Will if things get really desperate.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Keira doesn't actually live there, your know: she was born on 6th April 2011 and is now nineteen mnths old, yet she didn't get out of bed when she woke up and go looking for mummy this morning. No child that age stays put in her crib once she has woken up, if she even fits into a crib, and experience tells me that they wake you rather than you ever waking them.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Thank the lord for a post that isn't a pavlovian attack on Will for existing. He speaks, the dogs start to whine. 

    Good comment - and I totally agree!

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by jennet_device (U8197637) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It's the way he speaks as does it.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    If that is so, I can't comprehend people being so biased just because of the way someone speaks (whether fictional or not).

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Oh, c'mon, it's one of the very few safe prejudices to voice anymore, Bette; so long as it isn't an actual disability like Tourette's or something, and isn't an accent associated with the lower class or a racial minority, then there is no law against being as blindly prejudiced against someone as you like, and saying so as loud and as often as you like.

    (But I rather think that being rude about Rhys's accent is on the dodgy edge of "racial intolerance"...)

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I don't see how people being prejudiced about Will's accent is any different from any other prejudice (Rhys, or Lynda, Jazzer, or anyone - as long as they are articulate and comprehensible).

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    To me it has the same feel as if someone said, "He has a squint, he must be possessed by the devil."

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by julia (U15488101) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I feel the same Emma and Ed need to understand they have been the bad one's not Will he is a good man.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It's not just the way he speaks, though that really doesn't help. Will is a horrible possessive man. Nobody can deny that he was deceived by Emma, but he is determined to bear this grudge for ever and take every possible opportunity to assert his material superiority. The fact that he has found 'new love' seems to have done nothing to soften him. Poor Nic (not that I like her), she's just scratching the surface.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Will is a horrible possessive man 
    you see, I just don't see that. We clearly hear TA in different ways. Will, with the help of Nic, has matured over the years. Anyway, he said that he had finally got over Emma, and I think he /has/ moved on - but some MLers haven't moved on with him.

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  • Message 17

    , in reply to message 11.

    Posted by Where_IS_Planet_Archer (U14598574) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    (But I rather think that being rude about Rhys's accent is on the dodgy edge of "racial intolerance"...)  it's not racist - it isn't his accent, its his irritating voice & attitudes

    I thoroughly enjoyed David Tenant in much ado about nothing - but hearing Rhys do just a couple of lines of it made me want to throw things at the radio

    & I'd listen to Cerys Matthews read the phone book, her voice & accent are beautiful,,,,,

    Do they still print phone books?

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  • Message 18

    , in reply to message 16.

    Posted by AP (U14268795) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I think Will has improved tremendously, Nic has been so good for him, but he has always had a problem with Ed.

    I don't remember Ed stealing from Caroline, I do remember him "borrowing" Will's car, I don't think it occurred to him that it might be technically theft. The accident was caused by dodging a deer, not reckless driving.

    Emma is and was a self centred unmentionable-on-this-board bit of baggage. She has not been good for Ed, she married Will thinking Ed was the baby's father, she stopped taking any contraception without Ed's agreement . She is the reason they are in this mess.

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  • Message 19

    , in reply to message 3.

    Posted by mountetna2 (U14443003) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Thank the lord for a post that isn't a pavlovian attack on Will for existing. He speaks, the dogs start to whine.

    Yes, Ed has been jealous of Will ever since the elder brother got a job while the younger was still at school, and he has never been able to bear Will having anything without wanting to spoil it for him, starting with that job (which he enjoyed trying to mess up by poaching and making no secret of it), and with Will having a landlady who trusted him (so Ed stole from her while visiting his brother), and a car (so Ed stole it and wrote it off) and going on to marriage (so Ed slept whith WEill's intended bride when she was drunk, and went off with her within a year of the marriage) and child (whom Ed resents Will seeing any more than the bare minimum, and takes steps to prevent it if that looks like happening).

    It's an extraordinary catalogue of really bad behaviour, and *yet* everyone blames Will for not being happy about it. 
    Well said. The thing which irritated me more than anything else during the Great Fraternal Bust-up was the none-too-subtle sentimental tosh of a message that unthinking LURRRVE trumped everything - Will's feelings, Ed'n'Em's criminal intent to get Georgie away to France, the determination of both Ed and Emma to rub Will's nose in the dirt in the most conspicuous way possible, Ed's general fecklessness at the time, the young WonderCouple's sense of entitlement that everyone would rally around them... but, NO! All of this was of no account beside the fact that Ed'n'Em were a romantic Young Couple In LURRRVE - Ed'n'Em against a nasty cruel world esp Will... How romantic. How stupid, rather.

    The most irritating thing in fact was Em going all bonkers over the wrong Grundy thus abruptly terminating a promising career in hospitality - she was the one really running Jaxx and I suspect could eventually have supplanted useless Kenton.

    Oh dear though - getting so worked up about fictional characters - how sad is that! Perhaps I should take a stress pill and lie down ((c) the film '2001').

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  • Message 20

    , in reply to message 16.

    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I don't see that Will has 'moved on' at all. Where is the evidence for this?

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  • Message 21

    , in reply to message 20.

    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Will delivered his lines tonight with awesome vowellnes, stupid but true.

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  • Message 22

    , in reply to message 17.

    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    (But I rather think that being rude about Rhys's accent is on the dodgy edge of "racial intolerance"...)  it's not racist - it isn't his accent, its his irritating voice & attitudes

    I thoroughly enjoyed David Tenant in much ado about nothing - but hearing Rhys do just a couple of lines of it made me want to throw things at the radio

    & I'd listen to Cerys Matthews read the phone book, her voice & accent are beautiful,,,,,

    Do they still print phone books? 
    Irritating voice and attitudes?

    You ARE talking about Edwood aren't you?

    Squeaky Ed banging on about being a "Provder for His Family" and telling Emmur he only wants her to stay at home being some kind of Earth Mother (ha) makes me feel positively queasy.
    No wonder they arent claiming even child benefit (or whatever it's called these days) they are living in a pre-war time warp.
    MJ

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by My Mum is turning in her grave (U13137565) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Phew! I'm so glad there are others who don't see William as the villain in all this. There are probably some who will see him as the cause of EdnEm's misery and demand that he immeditely up his maintenance so that Emma can have her lippy and her cappucinni. (What planet are the SWs on btw?)

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Quite.
    EdunEm's misery has one simple source since day 1: their unbounded bluddy selfishness.
    MJ

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Phew! I'm so glad there are others who don't see William as the villain in all this. There are probably some who will see him as the cause of EdnEm's misery and demand that he immeditely up his maintenance so that Emma can have her lippy and her cappucinni. (What planet are the SWs on btw?)  I don't see him as the villain at all.
    Yes his voice grates but I feel he was the wronged party and the other two can get on with the life they decided to make with each other.

    A second child was not a sensible choice but it was made by Emma alone as far as I remember,she has after all always wished George had been Edd's son.

    I have no sympathy for them at all.

    As for Rhys's voice and accent it really is creepy and although I live her in the welsh valleys I've not heard anything like it here.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    When Will suggested (with considerably more justification!) that he could afford to keep Emma and she didn't have to work, that he would prefer it if she stayed at home and looked after their (less than a year old) baby, he was called a controlling and evil person for it. People on the board seven years later continue to say that it was a bad and a wicked and even a psychopathic thing to do.

    And yet when Ed said that he wants Emma to stay at home and look after their nineteen month old baby and his borther's school-age child (even though he clearly *can't* afford to keep them) I don't think he was called a controlling person by anyone but me, and I have a feeling that I was castigated for it within three posts.

    I find Ed's vendetta against his brother rather unpleasant -- this insistence that Will must not be allowed to have anything more to do with Will's child than Ed decides he should be permitted is creepy. He clearly wants to own the child and be in charge of who George does and doesn't see, what he does and doesn't do. Shudder down the spine time.

    He hasn't apparently grown up from being the nasty adolescent who took pleasure in trying to destroy Will's job, and went out of his way to make trouble on the shoot where Will worked. I don't think Will ever went out looking for Ed in order to have a go at him for no reason in the way that Ed went looking for Will. He did get involved when for instance Ed was stealing cars and driving them dangerously in the village, but I think one can reasonably suggest that Will didn't go looking for that: Ed rubbed his and everyone else's noses in it, and it happened to be Will who recognised him and told their parents.


    MMpaNiaMA, there certainly are people saying that Will is to blame for the poverty at Rickyard Cottage and should be forced to pay them more maintenance. I've read more than one post saying exactly that, on the Will-bashing threads that are so predicatbale.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Of course he isn't to blame for their poverty but the way he uses it against them leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Whatever happened to

    (August 2008)

    An emotional reunion takes place. Will admits he really wanted to kill Ed, but Ed says it doesn't matter any more. Will is convinced that Ed will take George away from him, and Ed has a job to convince him that he would never stop George from seeing him; Will will always be George's dad. George loves and misses him. The brothers both weep, and gently Ed says he'll drive Will's car home, so that Will can go with Eddie. The family is together again.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    It's the way he speaks as does it.  But Ed whines - indeed it's his greatest sin.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Indeed - perhaps the sws have forgotten this scene...

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Whatever happened to

    (August 2008)

    An emotional reunion takes place. Will admits he really wanted to kill Ed, but Ed says it doesn't matter any more. Will is convinced that Ed will take George away from him, and Ed has a job to convince him that he would never stop George from seeing him; Will will always be George's dad. George loves and misses him. The brothers both weep, and gently Ed says he'll drive Will's car home, so that Will can go with Eddie. The family is together again.  
    Pity Ed was lying - he DOES try to limit the contact Will has with George and he complains when Will gives him things.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    "Pity Ed was lying -"


    No, pity thr production team has FORGOTTEN about this, and changed Ed's family feelings.

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  • Message 33

    , in reply to message 27.

    Posted by maggiesaes (U2771771) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I don't see that he uses it against them-it's a fact the are skint what is HE supposed to do about it-keep them all??

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Auntie from how I have heard Will speak to Keira I think he would be the sort of man who would take her in. He is good with Jake and Mia, another man's children. However, if he did take Kiera that would be as bad as Ed initially trying to take George.

    My OH's ex-wife got pregnant with another man's child. My OH would have brought it up as his own to save the marriage and not have to leave his children but she aborted it. Some women are as bad as some men.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by BanquetBangersBaroness (U15332198) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    And all that's needed now is for Neil and Radio Carter to wade in with their opinions, advice and a hefty dose of "I-Told-You-So's!"

    Like to bet that Radio Carter will find a way to 'hint' to Willyerm that he should up the maintenance?

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Auntie from how I have heard Will speak to Keira I think he would be the sort of man who would take her in. He is good with Jake and Mia, another man's children. However, if he did take Kiera that would be as bad as Ed initially trying to take George.

    My OH's ex-wife got pregnant with another man's child. My OH would have brought it up as his own to save the marriage and not have to leave his children but she aborted it. Some women are as bad as some men.  
    Since Will would only take Keira in with her parents' agreement, I don't see why it would be as bad as Ed trying to sneak George off to France.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    why on earth should anyone need to take Kiera in? She is living with her parents. And so is George.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    anna....'cos they are starving !

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    No they aren't. The children are getting enough food but Ed and Em are having to go without. Happens to many parents when cash is short,

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Friday, 2nd November 2012




    More irony Anna!

    As for going without...tell me about it Anna!

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