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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I don't see where it's Will's business. Although I think it's silly to tell Georgie not to tell about the breakdown, Emma having car difficulties falls under the heading of "nothing that Will needs to know about". George was just fine, because his mother took fine care of him.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Will being a git.

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by lord jim (U8270495) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Psycho Will again barely in control of his temper.

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I don't see where it's Will's business. 

    Because it happened to his son. It would be easier to convince him that his mother took fine care of him if she DIDN'T hide it.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by Anonymous (U14994586) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I'm sorry, but it is ENTIRELY his business. George is his son. What would've happened if it had broken down before Emma had the chance to pull over? We'd be irritating characters short, but he'd have lost his son.

    Will is not being a git. He's being a caring father. If I was in his shoes, I'd go in all guns blazing to get my son out of that house. As indeed I hope he does.

    Seriously - are people here really just picking the bottom of the barrel to find reasons to hate him?

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I think so, Anonymous.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It seems a bit hypocritical, because I have a sneaking suspicion that Emma decided to, for instance, start insisting Will give her detailed accounts of the times when he takes their son out into the woods to look at wild animals, bringing along a loaded gun (a scenario that without proper supervision could be a dangerous one for a curious child - at least as dangerous as driving in a car that must have passed an inspection sometime in the past year or so, I imagine), I doubt he'd think it was a reasonable request. There'd be quite a lot of "Oi can take care of Moi Son perfectly well, it's none of YOUR business what I do with him!" flying around.

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by the_shellgrottolady (U2395646) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    No, he 's a git.
    Fair enough to be concerned but he went straight into full anger at ed and emma as if they were keeping a lovely secret from him.
    And no wonder they did, when he always reacts in this predictable manner.
    Nic was sympathetic and did well in trying to restrain his anger...

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Anonymous, I'm sure that caring about the welfare of your child is as unforgiveable as giving him a toffee-apple was.

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It seems a bit hypocritical, 

    The incident HAPPENED. That's the difference.

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    In reply to Anonymous:

    I'm sorry, but it is ENTIRELY his business. George is his son. What would've happened if it had broken down before Emma had the chance to pull over? We'd be irritating characters short, but he'd have lost his son. 


    Any car can break down.

    But he is probably right to wonder where the maintenance goes?

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by jennet_device (U8197637) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    No court is going to let Will take his son away from a caring mother. I hope he tries, and I hope Usha represents Em.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by the_shellgrottolady (U2395646) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Why OI?
    Can you imagine his reaction if they used the maintenance to fix the car?
    How much does he pay anyway?
    It would serve him right if emma went to litigation to get the amount raised based on their income and Will's income. Am sure they'd take the house he owns into consideration.

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by NewEssexWoman (U9776561) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I'm sorry, but it is ENTIRELY his business. George is his son. What would've happened if it had broken down before Emma had the chance to pull over? We'd be irritating characters short, but he'd have lost his son.

    Will is not being a git. He's being a caring father. If I was in his shoes, I'd go in all guns blazing to get my son out of that house. As indeed I hope he does.

    Seriously - are people here really just picking the bottom of the barrel to find reasons to hate him? 

    Obviously you've never had a car break down with children in it. But, believe it or not, cars do break down and frequently at the most inconvenient moment. Our car broke down on route back from holiday when the children were young. No-one to blame - it just happened. And the girls both found it quite exciting (O/H and I didn't but that's a different matter ...)

    I can't understand why Georgie was so pathetic - most young children find these sorts of events quite fun. And Will's reaction was ridiculous. If he can't accept that these things happen and are not the end of the world then there's not much hope for him.

    I do so hope his car breaks down en route back from the zoo ...

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by charmingAnnielynn (U11952070) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I guess we'll have to agree to differ on this one. To me, it seems that if Emma feel's the car is safe enough to drive her and her children around in - and she's never before caused injury to her kids through negligence, so there's not a history of her being an unfit mother - then that should be good enough. It's unfortunate that a breakdown happened on a busy road, but cars do sometimes break down. She pulled over, took George to a safe position up a bank away from traffic, and called right away for someone to come pick them up.
    Since Will realize that money is short at Emma's house, it's reasonable for him to offer to take George more often, and to ask Emma if there's enough food for George, but he pretty much jumped straight to "Emma recklessly endangered our child!" That, to me, would be something more like letting him play in traffic, or climb out on the roof, or something.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by BERT (U15466554) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    In reply to Anonymous:

    I'm sorry, but it is ENTIRELY his business. George is his son. What would've happened if it had broken down before Emma had the chance to pull over? We'd be irritating characters short, but he'd have lost his son. 


    Any car can break down.

    But he is probably right to wonder where the maintenance goes?  
    Why did he call his father and not Em.....running to Daddy?

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by Thegoodtranslator (U14190653) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    No, he 's a git.
    Fair enough to be concerned but he went straight into full anger at ed and emma as if they were keeping a lovely secret from him.
    And no wonder they did, when he always reacts in this predictable manner.
    Nic was sympathetic and did well in trying to restrain his anger...

     
    Exactly, he has every right to be concerned (so why not try and offer constructive help?), but the way he goes about it smacks of point-scoring. If they know he's going to react like this, of course they aren't going to tell him...

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    You don't think that if he tried to offer constructive help, Em and Ed would interpret it as gloating/point scoring?

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Why did he call his father and not Em.....running to Daddy? 

    Because he knew Emma wouldn't tell him. If I had been Nic I would have suggested he call his father to find out what exactly happened rather than Emma and blowing up at her.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I agree that calling Ed (or rather better, Clarrie) was a better idea than calling Emma, since he knows that Emma is not reliable about truth and since at the moment if he opens his mouth in ehr presence she sounds off at him, but I still don't see why Eddie is so hell-bent on keeping the trouble between his sons going. What possessed him to tell Will that Ed's car was a rustbucket and unsafe? He must have known that would cause nothing but trouble.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by Thegoodtranslator (U14190653) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    You don't think that if he tried to offer constructive help, Em and Ed would interpret it as gloating/point scoring?   Quite possibly, given the context of this relationship... I may be naively optimistic, but I reckon after a bit of time and distance it could/should be possible once a more amicable relationship has been established. Otherwise it's the kids who suffer and/or exploit the situation... (And I say all this having stood on the sidelines of a fairly disastrous split between my husband and his ex, of which I was NOT the cause, I hasten to add!!)

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    In reply to the_shellgrottolady:

    Why OI?
    Can you imagine his reaction if they used the maintenance to fix the car?
    How much does he pay anyway?
    It would serve him right if emma went to litigation to get the amount raised based on their income and Will's income. Am sure they'd take the house he owns into consideration. 



    On reflection, they seem to be spending money only on things that will benefit the boy - including the family car.

    Maintenance paid by Will will either be by agreement or set by the court allowing for all Will's income.

    If Gawgee spends more time with will it can be reduced!

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    You are right, NEW. Georgie is a wet and a weed. He's got the measure of both his parents abd plays one off against the other. I'm rapidly losing my tolerance of Will. Firstly to complain that his son had had too many sweets when he had bought them for the greedy little beggar. Then he stated that Moi sentence was being used to support Ed and not Jawge. Lastly he expressed surprise that his bro was driving a rust bucket. What has he been using for eyes for heavens sake?

    I make no comment on him asking Eddie what had hPpened. Shame on Will for not asking Emma and shame on Eddie for not telling Will to ask Emma.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by MJGladman (U15487947) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    If Will really wants to make things better for George, he should review how much maintenance he is paying, as it clearly isn't enough. I've been in tears listening to poor Emma's money problems. OK, she was a bit daft in the past in her choice of Grundy brother but there's no evidence she'd been silly and spendthrift now. Can we start a 'Help Emma' fund to bribe the scriptwriters to take the pressure off her?

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I'm sorry, but it is ENTIRELY his business. George is his son. What would've happened if it had broken down before Emma had the chance to pull over? We'd be irritating characters short, but he'd have lost his son.

    Will is not being a git. He's being a caring father. If I was in his shoes, I'd go in all guns blazing to get my son out of that house. As indeed I hope he does.

    Seriously - are people here really just picking the bottom of the barrel to find reasons to hate him? 
    Seriously anonymous ???
    The car broke down... she didn't take the wretched little brat sky diving.

    And to describe Will as 'caring' is really taking the urine.
    Will's only concern in all this is WINNING..

    Nick is the one I feel sorry for.. Will might have married her, but everything about his attitude and actions proves he still isn't over Emma and Ed's betrayal.

    I wouldn't even mind so much if this story line had been carefully crafted over months.. but NO as per usual..
    I can just imagine the writers meeting where they thought this one up.

    "We need some characters to be broke to reflect the countries economic issues"..

    "OK.. Let's make it Ed and Emma.."

    "But there's been no mention of any problems before and they don't have a mortgage OR any credit cards... so where is all the debt we plan to give them coming from exactly ??
    Plus Ed has a business partner who has barely so much as hinted that he's not bringing in enough cash to live on while his wife spends a fortune decorating their new baby's bedroom.. "

    "Yes... but those mushrooms sitting at home listening to the show will swallow any old guff and of course what we'll really be leading up to is a custody battle... but those idiots will never see it coming..
    Look how we fooled them when Nigel fell off the roof... "

    You will have to fogrive the last bit.. my sarcasm font isn't working.
    C

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Snork, Covergirlie. Top post.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I agree that calling Ed (or rather better, Clarrie) was a better idea than calling Emma, since he knows that Emma is not reliable about truth and since at the moment if he opens his mouth in ehr presence she sounds off at him, but I still don't see why Eddie is so hell-bent on keeping the trouble between his sons going. What possessed him to tell Will that Ed's car was a rustbucket and unsafe? He must have known that would cause nothing but trouble. 

    The very same thing jarred with me Chris the moment Will said it.. except that my instinct was to think..
    Eddie would NEVER have said that.!!

    The man's not portrayed as stupid OR unfeeling.. he is perfectly well aware of the tensions between his children and their families and I simply do not believe that the Eddie Grundy I have been listening to for the last 15 years would have told Ed any such thing..

    Plus when did an engine over heating [which is what the problem sounded like] mean a car is a rust bucket.??
    Now if the floor of the car had fallen onto the duel carriageway ?? THAT equals a rust bucket..
    Quite frankly Emma would have been in the same position if she'd simply run out of petrol.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Snork, Covergirlie. Top post.  Thank you A Frend ;o)
    C xx

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Will's only concern in all this is WINNING

    Winning what exactly? Ed and Emma treated Will abominably and Ed was his brother for goodness sake. Listening to Ed and Emma tonight sums them up ' look what we went through to be together' . No thought for what they put Will through and their families. They are a thoroughly selfish pair. Will has done well to get his life back on track and Nic seems to be right for him. He is over Emma but not the betrayal by his brother.

    Bebop

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    The trouble is that Eddie, as he has been of late, would have said something that stupid. It is on a par with the last time he was talking with Will about Ed: back in September, after George asked if he could have anything at all off the menu because Mummy couldn't afford it, and Eddie was practically obsequious about "you know how it is" to Will later; he made matters worse not better with his cringing. It was rather horrible to hear, and I couldn't think why he was being so groveling to Will. He paid him back the loan for the van, I think, even though Will didn't want him to... So what is wrong with him these days?

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by evilauntie (U14407879) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Or in a safari park, preferably in the Lion section.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Will's only concern in all this is WINNING

    Winning what exactly? Ed and Emma treated Will abominably and Ed was his brother for goodness sake. Listening to Ed and Emma tonight sums them up ' look what we went through to be together' . No thought for what they put Will through and their families. They are a thoroughly selfish pair. Will has done well to get his life back on track and Nic seems to be right for him. He is over Emma but not the betrayal by his brother.

    Bebop  
    Winning the contest to prove he's a far better parent than Emma and Ed...

    Winning the battle to get 'moison' back from the vile Emma.. and his treacherous brother... as you yourself admit a betrayal he will never get over.

    Winning the fight to teach Emma that crossing him was a mistake he's going to make her regret over and over for the rest of her life.

    Don't get me wrong.. I can't stand Emma.. I'd like to put her in a rowing boat with Anne Coulter and shove them both off Niagra Falls...

    But two wrongs don't make a right... and Will needs to put his big boy pants on and grow up !!

    Whatever Emma and Ed did in the past still doesn't excuse Will's spite filled behaviour.. which ultimately hurts everyone he PURPORTS to care about most.. namely Nick and George.

    C.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    The trouble is that Eddie, as he has been of late, would have said something that stupid. It is on a par with the last time he was talking with Will about Ed: back in September, after George asked if he could have anything at all off the menu because Mummy couldn't afford it, and Eddie was practically obsequious about "you know how it is" to Will later; he made matters worse not better with his cringing. It was rather horrible to hear, and I couldn't think why he was being so groveling to Will. He paid him back the loan for the van, I think, even though Will didn't want him to... So what is wrong with him these days? 

    Maybe his primary SW has changed.. ??

    Although saying... 'you know how it is'.. a rather generic phrase akin to.. 'times are hard for everyone',
    is a bit different to filling Will in on every little detail of the... 'Disaster on the Duel Carriageway' ;o)

    I just don't swallow it...

    C.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It wasn't Eddie's actual words: it was the tone. It was as if he were *apologising* to Will because Ed and Emma were not very well off -- as if he had somehow caused it. Very weird.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by bebopalula (U8847542) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    I think Eddie feels guilty about Will. Eddie and Clarrie's response to Ed going off with George and Emma was not their finest hour. I don't think Eddie can handle the acrimony between his sons and runs with the hare as well as the hounds.

    Bebop

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Jo Dumoulin (U14601195) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    It wasn't Eddie's actual words: it was the tone. It was as if he were *apologising* to Will because Ed and Emma were not very well off -- as if he had somehow caused it. Very weird. 
    Now THAT sentiment I could swallow.. parents blames themselves for allsorts of s**t where there kids are concerned and the original comment.. 'you know how it is'.. would support that theory..

    But surely it's a huge stretch from there to the full on revelation of Ed and Emma circumstances Eddie apparently laid out today. ??

    I remain unconvinved that this was in character for the Eddie Grundy I know ;o)
    C.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 1st November 2012

    Absolutely there are some posters who exalt Ed as a nice bloke and detest Nic despite the fact that the only person who dislikes her in TA is uber bitch Emma. Much of this irrational prejudice is voice based which for me is the radio equivalent of more day to day prejudices to see everything someone does through the prism of something they have no control over that is a definition of discrimination IMO.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Top post Covergirlie I totally agree.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Top post Covergirlie I totally agree.  Me too,

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by Tadpole (U2267185) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    " Whatever Emma and Ed did in the past still doesn't excuse Will's spite filled behaviour.. which ultimately hurts everyone he PURPORTS to care about most.. namely Nick and George. "


    We saw that in the way he reacted to George letting slip about the accident. So harumphing and angry that George immediately thought he was in trouble. A warm caring reaction would have been to focus not on Enmma's 'failure' to tell him but on his own son, right there in front of him: "Oh poor George! That must have been scarey for you. Did you have to wait long? But at least Grandpa came and got you, and it turned out ok, what an exciting story you can tell your friends etc etc".

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Exactly Tadders. I am surprised that George dare say anything about what happens at home. Young children are very protective of their mothers and it must puzzle him why Will is always looking to find fault with Em and Ed.

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  • Message 42

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Can we not at least all agree that it is time that Will GOT OVER IT.

    He has plenty of money, a good job, three lovely children, a wife who adores him and the prospect of another baby being on the way shortly.

    And give over with the "moi son" sanctimonious speeches because otherwise I will have to punch you very hard on the nose.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    If Will really wants to make things better for George, he should review how much maintenance he is paying, as it clearly isn't enough. I've been in tears listening to poor Emma's money problems. OK, she was a bit daft in the past in her choice of Grundy brother but there's no evidence she'd been silly and spendthrift now. Can we start a 'Help Emma' fund to bribe the scriptwriters to take the pressure off her?  The money's supposed to support one small boy, not the whole family.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    One small boy, his unrealistic expectations tamped up by Will and a hamster with all its attendant costs- again imposed by Will. Till now I've been a Will supporter but he's making it very hard. The best revenge is to live well and Will should remember that. Still think that Nick's a heroine. It's her influence that might counteract the bad Grundy blood.

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by Imperfectly37 (U4335981) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Surely one solution is for Nic to collect George after school (doesn't at least one of hers go there too?) and for George to stay for tea and then go home? If he doesn't stay the night, the CSA formula doesn't reduce maintenance payments. That also means that Emma would only need someone to look after Keira for her to get a job.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by Lakey_Hill (U14391672) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Isn't there some kind of home-grown maintenance and care agreement over George?

    I don't suppose that it is much easier to get someone to look after one child than two. The obvious candidates would take both.

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  • Message 47

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    Posted by EsmeandSebastiansGrannyNic (U12027312) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    You don't think that if he tried to offer constructive help, Em and Ed would interpret it as gloating/point scoring?  

    Of course they would.

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by Peggy Monahan (U2254875) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Can we not at least all agree that it is time that Will GOT OVER IT. 

    It will be when Ed GETS OVER IT TOO.

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Imperfectly37 (U4335981) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    I think it would be considerably easier for Ed to have just Keira with him while he gets on with cow stuff, or Neil, or Susan for that matter. Perhaps Clarrie could have them both, but there hasn't been much heard from her recently (or if there has, I've missed it!).
    I mention the overnights because further up someone said that maintenance would be reduced if George visited more often. If it's a 'homegrown' arrangement, then that would be between them, but there's no allowance for that in the CSA formula (which, in my experience, is what most homegrown arrangements are based on).

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by EsmeandSebastiansGrannyNic (U12027312) on Friday, 2nd November 2012

    Can we not at least all agree that it is time that Will GOT OVER IT.

    He has plenty of money, a good job, three lovely children, a wife who adores him and the prospect of another baby being on the way shortly.

    And give over with the "moi son" sanctimonious speeches because otherwise I will have to punch you very hard on the nose. 



    Heres a good subject who in TA would you like to punch on the nose. (I am actually a very non violent person usually), I think it might be easier if I said the ones I wouldnt like to..........................

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