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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by TownieJane (U14315138) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I was simmering with rage last night and have barely cooled down this morning. How come a member of the Dopey clan can just wander into a non-existent job and be offered thirty quid a week for it, whereas the Grundys have to humiliate themselves asking for any old scraps of work?

    Neil KNOWS his daughter and Ed are feeling the pinch - if he can afford £30 a week, then why doesn't he find a way to put it into their pockets, rather than Josh's?

    I am very, very angry about this one.

    Cheers, Jane

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Indeed. I was gobsmacked how Josh, landed gentry upstart, had the nerve to ask local oik Nyull for a jaaahb. Or rather create one in his head and then bully Nyull into giving it.

    But then think of the warm tingly glow that will infuse the son of the soil when he hands 30 smackers over to Josh Archer, son of David Archer, grandson of Phil Archer, to spend on CDs, fast food and booze every weekend.
    MJ

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  • Message 3

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    Posted by wynkyn de worde (U14928439) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I was simmering with rage last night and have barely cooled down this morning. How come a member of the Dopey clan can just wander into a non-existent job and be offered thirty quid a week for it, whereas the Grundys have to humiliate themselves asking for any old scraps of work?

    Neil KNOWS his daughter and Ed are feeling the pinch - if he can afford £30 a week, then why doesn't he find a way to put it into their pockets, rather than Josh's?

    I am very, very angry about this one.

    Cheers, Jane 
    Calm down Jane

    It is the natural order of things that's all.

    Neull has short term memory problems and has forgotten he has an idiot daughter who is starving in a hovel in a Hardeyesque kinda way, whilst blowing money on never ending kiddie treats and karte kit for GawGee which he will, of course, grow out of next week since he is bulking up on rubbish food.

    Eggs? What eggs?

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    Posted by Irene Mitchell (U15284316) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I was simmering with rage last night and have barely cooled down this morning. How come a member of the Dopey clan can just wander into a non-existent job and be offered thirty quid a week for it, whereas the Grundys have to humiliate themselves asking for any old scraps of work?

    Neil KNOWS his daughter and Ed are feeling the pinch - if he can afford £30 a week, then why doesn't he find a way to put it into their pockets, rather than Josh's?

    I am very, very angry about this one.

    Cheers, Jane 
    I think we all are, unbelievable!

    Will someone tell the SW's that we have all realised how unfair life can be, and they don't need to go on and on and on about it.

    I do hope Josh isn't going to be another insufferable Tom.

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  • Message 5

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    < I do hope Josh isn't going to be another insufferable Tom. >

    Inevitable given his lineage.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    He is merely another insufferable Archer, imogen, of whom the Dopeys are sooooww prouuud.
    I think another message being sent out is that jahbs are there for the taking by the kidzzz (Rosa and the bottle plant is another one) but not for the twenty-somethings.
    MJ

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Rose Sal Volatile Parade (U4705648) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Yeah I agree. Me too. I presume that's the point of these juxtaposed stories?

    I'm waiting for Em n Ed to find out about Josh's 30 quid and be bitter and and angry and desperate (I would be) but unable to say anything because Neyull has been so kind in a not very adequate kind of way...

    Em n Ed's poverty is being mightily over-egged in the usual way. So unnecessary to club R4 listeners over the head with these stories. A bit more subtle would be welcome. Nonetheless, it's not bad a story and will get even more uncomfortable as they move into quarreling mode like you do when money's too tight to mention (or too tight not to mention every single episode, an awful lot).

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by Feral_Ralph (U2333894) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Agreed, I don't think Emma's going to be that impressed and I think Josh's real motivation is not the money anyhow. It's Pheobe poor girl. However the point is well made. An Archer can walk up to a job whilst a Grundy has to bow and scrape and wear a poo eating smile when they're turned away. I fear Josh is going the way of Pip and the smugfest is intolerable. Why didn't our Jeopardy Chum from 'stenders kill them off when he had the chance? Except rickety Ben perhaps.

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Oh gawd Ralphers.
    I forgot Ben.
    All must have jaahbs.
    What will they come up with for him?
    MJ

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Isn't it regularly stated that E&E are too proud to accept help?

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    What's the fuss? Neil explained in some detail about what was required of Josh, the regular hours, the need for routine and so on - "a chore, day-in, day-out", "feeding, collecting & scraping".

    And the job's not "non-existent" - Josh explained to Neil that Phoebe had mentioned how Hayley was finding it all a bit of a pain and not having enough time, time which he had.

    So this isn't money coming out of Neil's pocket, it's money coming from the egg business.

    As far as Neil knows, Ed & Emma are indeed "feeling the pinch" but he has no idea how desperate they are because Emma's pride prevents her from admitting the real scale of their problems. And as Tayler has just commented in N&Q, Ed&Em are not even claiming any benefits yet.

    Can't see Emma scraping out chicken muck for more than one whine-and-groan laden hour before finding an excuse not to do it.

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Parish Spinster (U2256426) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    What's the fuss? Neil explained in some detail about what was required of Josh, the regular hours, the need for routine and so on - "a chore, day-in, day-out", "feeding, collecting & scraping".

    And the job's not "non-existent" - Josh explained to Neil that Phoebe had mentioned how Hayley was finding it all a bit of a pain and not having enough time, time which he had.

    So this isn't money coming out of Neil's pocket, it's money coming from the egg business.

    As far as Neil knows, Ed & Emma are indeed "feeling the pinch" but he has no idea how desperate they are because Emma's pride prevents her from admitting the real scale of their problems. And as Tayler has just commented in N&Q, Ed&Em are not even claiming any benefits yet.

    Can't see Emma scraping out chicken muck for more than one whine-and-groan laden hour before finding an excuse not to do it.  
    They have 2 kids resident and they're not claiming benefits? They're even dumber than I thought!

    And I'd rather not listen to Emma complaining about chicken muck!

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by SredniVashtar07 (U9755761) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I was simmering with rage last night and have barely cooled down this morning. How come a member of the Dopey clan can just wander into a non-existent job and be offered thirty quid a week for it, whereas the Grundys have to humiliate themselves asking for any old scraps of work?

    Neil KNOWS his daughter and Ed are feeling the pinch - if he can afford £30 a week, then why doesn't he find a way to put it into their pockets, rather than Josh's?

    I am very, very angry about this one.

    Cheers, Jane 
    Once the consultant has a "root n branch" clearout of the "dead wood" that "egg money" will be needed in Roy and Hayleys household - never mind anyone elses !

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  • Message 14

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    Posted by Feral_Ralph (U2333894) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Teenage Brain Surgeon probably, Ms M-J. He can practice on the sheep and then do a walk up turn at Felpersham General. He will be greatly admired.

    For his sake I hope not. I'd like Ben to develop an independent identity. Josh is a lost cause.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by Glebe Cow (U2281862) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    It seems as though Ben will be getting much less than the minimum wage, so Neil could not (legally) employ Emma to do the work.

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Malahide (U14258229) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    What's the fuss? Neil explained in some detail about what was required of Josh, the regular hours, the need for routine and so on - "a chore, day-in, day-out", "feeding, collecting & scraping".

    And the job's not "non-existent" - Josh explained to Neil that Phoebe had mentioned how Hayley was finding it all a bit of a pain and not having enough time, time which he had.

    So this isn't money coming out of Neil's pocket, it's money coming from the egg business.

    As far as Neil knows, Ed & Emma are indeed "feeling the pinch" but he has no idea how desperate they are because Emma's pride prevents her from admitting the real scale of their problems. And as Tayler has just commented in N&Q, Ed&Em are not even claiming any benefits yet.

    Can't see Emma scraping out chicken muck for more than one whine-and-groan laden hour before finding an excuse not to do it.  
    You're right to point out the acceptability of Josh taking on this job, mg, but at the same time I fear he *is* going to become a Tom clone eventually - unless of course he succumbs to the Archers' first-born son curse where the eldest either becomes a waster or dies (or both) and the youngest comes through with the clan colours held high.

    PS Please Ben, join the army, become a train driver, or get religion badly enough to become a hermit far away - just leave Ambridge.

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    If Josh is half the sharp business genius we are led to believe .... he should sub out the work to Enema for say £25.00?
    & pocket the fiver for himself ....... just popping by to quality check things once a week or so.

    Enema working for her dad & Josh with his feet up & in pocket to boot.

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  • Message 18

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    Posted by RAFromSw (U14574822) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    Josh asked for the Job not Ed, it's probably less than minimum wage, it's probably pretty demeaning work that almost certainly doesn't fit in with Ed's hour. And at 30 quid a week it probably won't keep the wolf from the Grundy's door.

    Oh - why the hell don't Ed and Emma claim whatever tax credits/benefits they are able? Seems that if your pride comes above clothes and food for your family then you probably deserve everythihng u get.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I am quite angry that Betty's business has been taken over by Hayley, who did it for ungrateful madame Phoebe.

    What does Neil do? We heard that nasty Josh will do the feeding and mucking out, and Hayley will do the washing, grading and boxing up.

    So they do all the work,Neil swans in and takes them to the retailers, and collects his dosh?

    Pshaw.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I think that is the point of the SL. Ed and Emma are dumb life is tough for dumb people. Josh saw an opportunity and took the initiative to ask for a specific job. E & E just mindlessly ask people for nebulous work without putting any thought into marketing themselves or spotting opportunities. A good example is Emma tells Ruth her skirting boards are dirty rather than saying she is offering a one off deep clean doing all those difficult jobs like windows, skirting, grouting etc. Emma has not advertised for work evening babysitting for example she could leaflet the toddler group or get Mike to put a cleaning service leaflet to his milk round customers who have money to have milk delivered. Ed could offer seasonal leaf clean up services in the same way but no they are bereft of ideas and initiative which is a big part of why they are doomed to stay poor.
    Emma wouldn't scrape chicken shit and Ed couldn't because the hours clash with his herd work.
    It's not Josh's fault that he has more initiative than they do why should he be blamed? I do think that if Ed & Emma hear about it and want the work then Josh should be given the push though family should always come first.

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by alanis (U2256129) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    Josh asked for the Job not Ed, it's probably less than minimum wage, it's probably pretty demeaning work that almost certainly doesn't fit in with Ed's hour. And at 30 quid a week it probably won't keep the wolf from the Grundy's door.

    Oh - why the hell don't Ed and Emma claim whatever tax credits/benefits they are able? Seems that if your pride comes above clothes and food for your family then you probably deserve everythihng u get.
     
    £30 a week? EdnEm can't buy bread at the moment! Hw much is car tax in the UK? (I think that was the bill that she got, the one Ed thought that money had been out aside for?) Couldn't be much more than 4 or 5 weeks' hen money, could it? And you can pay by 6 monthly installments, can't you?

    So if EdnEm really are that hard up, then yes, 30 quid a week /every/ week sounds good to me. I'd be happy with that much of an increase, and I'm not particularly hard up.

    (The benefits/no benefits is a good question too, I don't have an opinion there, as I have no idea what the situation in the UK is these days)

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by cowpatty (U14650862) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012


    Josh asked for the Job not Ed, it's probably less than minimum wage, it's probably pretty demeaning work that almost certainly doesn't fit in with Ed's hour. And at 30 quid a week it probably won't keep the wolf from the Grundy's door.

    Oh - why the hell don't Ed and Emma claim whatever tax credits/benefits they are able? Seems that if your pride comes above clothes and food for your family then you probably deserve everythihng u get.
     
    Pride or stupidity?

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    "Pride or stupidity?"


    Yes!
    & neither put money in the Bank.
    Unless they do something different

    they are screwed.

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    < They have 2 kids resident and they're not claiming benefits? They're even dumber than I thought! >

    BUT, hang on, please.................one of the nastier tricks the SWs are currently pulling is that we don't actually KNOW whether they are claiming benefits or not. AFAIR, there has been no mention of such at all.

    And I happen to think that is part of the production team's deliberate attempt to ramp up the drama. If that is what they are doing, it's pretty dishonest of course, and for an audience savvy about such things, pretty silly and a sure-fire way of reducing credibility and thus impact.

    They have impressivet 'previous' on editing out inconvenient facts to make a story get more notice. Queue-jumping the TC to get AI? No e-coli fall out at BF over poisoned kids? All that tosh in terms of police procedure in farmageddon...........?

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by joe (U13868420) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    And I happen to think that is part of the production team's deliberate attempt to ramp up the drama. If that is what they are doing, it's pretty dishonest of course, and for an audience savvy about such things, pretty silly and a sure-fire way of reducing credibility and thus impact.  Now there's a first…

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by Pahnda (U14681704) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I'm surprised Neil has £30 a week just to give away. It's not a great amount of money BUT the Carters aren't rich. Sod off Josh, ask your own ruddy family for money.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by MsMumbo-Jumbo (U3613133) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Now you're talking.
    And the Pipsquawk with her milking AND burgering (I said buRgering) should be made to give that up. Rich collidge kidz taking away the jobs of the lower orders.
    It ain't right, so it ain't.
    MJ

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Buntysdaughter (U7084475) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    Yes, over in 'Notes & Queries', Tayler has said that it has not been made clear on air whether or not Ed & Em claim benefits. In RL, of course, it would be completely daft if they didn't, but the lack of clarity gives the SWs an out either way. The only possible positive about Joshee's job might be that the Pipster is annoyed that he is earning at all.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by PennyWH (U14737107) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    This SL is actually about Ed and Em not being able to communicate that they are in a mess. When they do a mixture of practical help, support and advice, coupled with their own hardworking attitudes, will enable them to stay together. Whether in agriculture or something else, the important thing is that they are good parents and love each other.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by toffee (U8026926) on Tuesday, 30th October 2012

    I'm waiting for Em n Ed to find out about Josh's 30 quid and be bitter and and angry and desperate (I would be) but unable to say anything because Neyull has been so kind in a not very adequate kind of way

    --------------------------------

    They won't say anything. They're both far too proud!

    The writers really hate them!

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