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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Mysterious (U14144861) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    I do wish Emma would sound a bit happier. She is so depressing. I thought Ed and the chikdren and a proper house were all she wanted in life,it seems not.George does have a father who would happily pay for Karate lessons if only he had been asked.

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    Posted by Tamarin (U2423648) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    Well, she made her bed .....

    Had first baby far too young, married someone she die not think was the father ..........

    Now had another baby she and her nice by low paid boyfriend cannot afford ..........

    And her only occupation is cleaning someone's house

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    Posted by Swedey (U4339411) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    Emma is never going to be happy with her lot, I think that was made clear years ago.

    Irritating to listen to, yes, but completely in character.

    If she suddenly got all rosy cheeked an happy she would be critisised for having a personality transplant.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    If Emma had a glass that was half-full, it would be decidedly unlike her.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    And all that colossal heavy sighing and grampus like breathing literally every other word.

    Any scene between her and Fagash and we'd get just two words and the sound of breaching whales doing synchronised swimming. .

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    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    I think that Emma is one of the most accurately portrayed characters in TA. A young woman who was sure that once she had a husband a house and a baby everything would be just perfect. She has discovered that this is not the case. Plus the fact that I think she is far brighter than she thinks she is makes life very difficult. there is even the chance in this story that rural poverty and isolation will be addressed.

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    I agree she is totally consistent believable and well acted. I think the fact that she is intelligent enough to have insight into the mistakes she has made and the drudgery she has signed up for is what makes her miserable. She knows she has no one to blame but herself, poor dumb Ed is never going to be a good provider but is doing his best.
    Emma is trapped in a prison of her own making and looking over the wall at Will & Nic adds to her bitterness. I think this slow burn SL has years to run and has been very well done so far.

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    Posted by DestinationFreedom (U3119518) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    Yes, agree about the character. She's not too far removed from Mme Emma Bovary in some respects.

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    Posted by A Frend (U2249422) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    "Plus the fact that I think she is far brighter than she thinks she is makes life very difficult. there is even the chance in this story that rural poverty and isolation will be addressed."

    Absolutely spot on Cherrytree. There's lots that Emma could do to improve her prospects and the SWs avoid evey avenue for her improvement. Susan has great respect for qualifications - she missed out on these herself. You'd think that she'd never stop encouraging Emma to return to learning.

    Didn't Emma used to work in the Orangery chez LoLo? She used also to clean for Adam and Iain too. Why is she now reduced to cleaning only for R&D?

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    Posted by Purple_Hay (U14319650) on Wednesday, 26th September 2012

    How will the smile on her face will remain when Georgie finds out he doesn't like Karate and she has to go a couple of weeks with no income.

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    Posted by Mysterious (U14144861) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    I think, quite soon, Emma will be starting to look for an escape route. She does not seem to have any scenes with Alice and Chris these days , in fact they never get a mention. Not even Ed recognises their very existence.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Good point: Chris as her brother, Alice her sister-in-law, yet they never ever meet, refer to each other at any point, have a drink together, phone / skype etc?

    Hmm.

    Can anyone remember an occasion where they are recorded on air as being in the same room as each other? We may ASSUME they were at a particular gathering, but has there been a reference on air of their meeting?

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Maybe Alice simply doesn't get on very well with Ed (who was responsible for the death of her pony) or Emma (who is rather dull and has nothing to talk about these days)?

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    Posted by Dinah Shore (U14984316) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Poor Chris and Alice! They are also struggling with money, they find it hard to manage to SAVE the thousand pounds a month they need to buy a business unnecessarily!

    Such a little in common with Ed and Emma, The Cartridges did not even seem to have gone to Cousin Samantha's wedding.

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    Posted by DracoM1 (U14252039) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    < Emma (who is rather dull and has nothing to talk about these days)?>

    Didn't stop her [Alice] talking to Amy!!

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Amy is someone Alice has been doing things with for years; Emma has never been someone she has cared about or who cared aboout her.

    Alice and Amy are much the same age, Emma is just older enough not to have been friends with either of them when they were children or in their teens. There is a big gap between thirteen (the age Amy was when she arrived in Ambridge) and eighteen, far bigger than between twenty-three and twenty-eight. Emma was out at work and very nearly a married woman, Alice and Amy were just scrubby schoolkids. And can you see Emma, totally engrossed with sex and marriage, having any time for Alice and Amy, into ponies and good works?

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Also Alice and Amy are educated professionals whereas Emma is an ignorant cleaning lady I don't think they would find much to talk about.

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    Posted by cherrytree (U9175528) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Also Alice and Amy are educated professionals whereas Emma is an ignorant cleaning lady I don't think they would find much to talk about.  Emma isn't an "ignorant cleaning lady". She cleans yes but she's far from daft. That's her problem. She knows only too well what a dull unfulfilling life she is living. I have a cleaner. She's far from ignorant. Maybe the Bullingdon attitudes are far from dead after all.

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    If you read my previous posts I said that part of Emma's problem is that she is intelligent enough to have insight into the poor choices she has made. She is ignorant in the sense that she is uneducated and does nothing to improve herself it is no comment on her intelligence. I think it is snobby to assume a comment about one cleaning lady applies to every cleaning lady as if a person is defined by their work. Personally I do my own cleaning but each to their own.

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    How much difference to EdnEm's finances will Em not going out make?

    Daft as a brush.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    A drink in the pub; enough to buy three or four tins of beans such as they can't afford to let George waste on Harvest Festival.

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    If they are that hard up, perhaps Ed should forgo his drink so that they can afford some more tins. Anyway, I'm sure Ed would enjoy his birthday night out more if his partner is there.

    Em could bake a cake or make a loaf of bread for the Harvest Festival instead of investing in tins. That's what I'm going to do for our WI Harvest Auction.

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    Posted by Earldunda (U14196337) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Well, she made her bed .....

    Had first baby far too young, married someone she die not think was the father ..........

    Now had another baby she and her nice by low paid boyfriend cannot afford ..........

    And her only occupation is cleaning someone's house 
    Her only successful occupation is full time moaning and whining- and at these the miserable little mare excels.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Georgie had stolen them, and was rightly told to put them back.

    I don't think Emma wants to afford the ingredients for a cake or a loaf, and not all Harvest Festivals welcome those: my children's school sent home a list of what was acceptable, including all sorts of "local" produce like tinned pieapple chunks and such.

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    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    But why did she want to pay for them all upfront? She is usually a good manager, I don't get it. Surely most people would do pay as they go.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by JudithL (U14272244) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Emma has a job. not a well-paid job, but at least a job. Ed has a job. Will pays maintenance for George. Keira can't cost much to feed.
    Where does the money go?

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    If she were sensible it wouldn't be so Dramatic, I suppose.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by Buntysdaughter (U7084475) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Yes, ingredients for a home made cake are far from cheap.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    She doesn't *want* to afford them.

    For all we know she doesn't keep any of the ingredients in her storecupboard, and would resent buying a whole bag of flour and only using five ounces of it or however much it would be, not to mention butter and castor sugar and dried frouit, or whatever it would be. And icing sugar, presumably.

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    Posted by mountetna2 (U14443003) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Georgie had stolen them, and was rightly told to put them back.

    I don't think Emma wants to afford the ingredients for a cake or a loaf, and not all Harvest Festivals welcome those: my children's school sent home a list of what was acceptable, including all sorts of "local" produce like tinned pieapple chunks and such. 
    Harvest Festival at our church - this year as at last - has entailed congregation members being asked to donate tins and other non-perishables to the local food-bank, a resource which I fear Ed'n'Em will soon be using rather than contributing to. To be fair to ishoo-loving producers, this sort of poverty would be perfectly reasonable as an 'ishoo' and would have the advantage of being more than plausible in Ed'n'Em's case. I know a lot of us complain that Archerdom is Never-Never-Land - here at least is one place where they could touch base with uncomfortable reality.

    Talking of alternative universes I do wonder all the same whether Em has dropped through one of those holes in the space-time fabric used by the Time Bandits from that other parallel universe known as Albert Square!

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    You can save some money if you know how to cook and bake.. She could make good bread for the price of cheap, she gets free milk and probably eggs and honey. I am sure there are often the unpopular cuts of lamb and beef going. There probably isn't space for a veggie garden at Rickyard but she could get one of the new allotments if Ruth and David won't find her a plot on the farm. And at this time of the year - well this year isn't great for apples but in a good year you can't give them away and blackberries are around. make good jam for the price of the sugar.

    Pulses have been used to make stews go further for generations.. someone give her Harry's old bread maker and a slo cooker.

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    Posted by Bette (U2222559) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    I agree with Dailyfix (#19) - I think. Emma isn't intelligent (though she was considered to be when she was younger). She doesn't look ahead, or plan accordingly. She doesn't have any dynamism. Her most strong suit is moaning.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    It is possible to make cheap cakes. One does not need to use expensive flour and one can buy small bags. No need to use dried fruit or butter, and eggs are relatively cheap. I am going to make small lemon drizzle cakes a la Lynda Thornton's TV recipe. Lemons don't cost much.

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    Posted by teddyandgypsy (U14935190) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Couldn't she offer to make Pork Meatballs all day in her kitchen and then the family could eat them every night without having to hire a cottage from Speakmans? (Just as well because they're all booked up.)

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    Posted by Dailyfix (U14602649) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    She could indeed Ginslinger if she had any initiative or drive. I heard an interview with a sparky single Mum on the BBC the other week where she said that learning to cook rather than buy expensive ready made foods had greatly reduced her familiy's food budget to manageable levels. Just the other day Emma was telling Ed to eat cereal rather than bread for breakfast substituting a costly item for a cheap one. Emma prefers to sigh and whine rather than look for solutions. She also wants instant gratification which is why she had the baby knowing they couldn't afford it. Ed though less intelligent is the more sensible of the two which makes them total no hopers IMO.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Rettegrap (U1759870) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

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    Well no, I don't think he had, because William does pay maintenance, and it should include some things like a tin of something for the harvest festival. Will is not tactful about this, but he is right to think that George should be properly fed and taken care of.
    Emma hasn't mentioned when her money for George appears, do you think it is cash weekly?

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    She doesn't *want* to afford them! It would be more work to make a cake, and she has no time for work.

    If George had asked for a couple of tins instead of stealing them, I imagine she would have done the calculation that I have just done and thought "Two tins of beens, call it a quid fifty, ok, we can afford that".

    Not that I think she thinks about prices really, judging by her inability to thnk about karate lessons in installments rather than a lump sum in advance. She seems no longer to be able to work out about money.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Nicking food from the larder is stealing it even if it was actually bought using the family allowance.

    You *ask* before you take food, unless you are in charge of the catering and cooking. It might have been intended for a particular meal, and taking it might put the whole of a week's menues all wrong.

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    Posted by Rettegrap (U1759870) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    How clever of you to know what I was quoting, as I foolishly didn't manage to capture it as I had hoped. (Drat this new fangled technology)

    But I expect it was never a problem before, so George was just happy he had remembered.

    And isn't it dreadful how Emmur always shouts at him and then turns gushingly to the baby?

    AND has he lost that envelope of dosh yet?

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Emma used to be nicer to George although Will was a more patient parent when George was a small baby. Some women prefer babies to older children and I'm sure Keira will soon join the queue to be shouted at behing Ed and George.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    And Emma is meant to have some interest in catering!! I know that her generation did designing pizza boxes rather than the how to bake and cook to a budget like mine did... but her mother is thrifty and can cook, her father gardens and keeps pigs.. I appreciate that she hasn't much cash but she has time and she has access to land... few chickens, get a couple of weaners to raise for the freezer, dairy products they produce. She isn't in meadow rise....why does nobody eat the food they produce.
    Basic skills could make it go a long way and if you get gardening too ..

    I have visions of her buying cheap sugar filled ceral when she could buy a bag of porridge oats for a pound that would make fine breakfasts for over a week for them all with spot of guernsey cream or Jill's honey or a grated apple.

    Do her shopping at the budget supermarket and mozzarella is 45 p a ball. if you make your own base (easy peasy and pennies) you could make a nice pizza for a pound ... i always boggle when I see people buying easy things at many times cost price.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    And isn't it dreadful how Emmur always shouts at him and then turns gushingly to the baby?
     
    Yes! And she has been slighting the older child since before Keira was born -- remember how she started to say he had to get rid of toys to make room for the new baby?

    It may be that when Keira is older she too will be the butt of Emma's gripe against the world for not appreciating her properly, but right *now* George is being put at the bottom of the pecking order at Rickyard Cottage.

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    Posted by Now Locking for a house (U3261819) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Emma may be taking out her resentment of Will on his son. Some people do this with children of an ex-partner.

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    Posted by Ginslinger Redux (U14830013) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    And yet the excuse for stopping George spending more time with his dad was so he would bond with Keira. Everything she does is more geared to make sure he will loathe her.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    I think that Keira is being made into an object of resentment in a big way, and that has been the case since before she was born.

    I actually feel rather sorry for George, because he seems to me to be treated rather shabbily in his main residence, and then being spoilt somewhere else isn't going to help.

    I have a feeling that he has actually said that he wants to spend more time with his father. How old would he have to be before he could make that stick, or atleast make Emma notice how he feels?

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    She doesn't *want* to afford them! It would be more work to make a cake, and she has no time for work.

    If George had asked for a couple of tins instead of stealing them, I imagine she would have done the calculation that I have just done and thought "Two tins of beens, call it a quid fifty, ok, we can afford that".

    Not that I think she thinks about prices really, judging by her inability to thnk about karate lessons in installments rather than a lump sum in advance. She seems no longer to be able to work out about money. 
    75p for a tin of beans? Shopping in Harrods, are we?

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Save yourself a fortune next time, Chris Ghoti:

    www.tesco.com/grocer...

    I suspect that a parallel is being drawn between Emma and Vicky.

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    Posted by Fa-Fa Aweigh (U15320634) on Thursday, 27th September 2012

    Nicking food from the larder is stealing it even if it was actually bought using the family allowance.

    You *ask* before you take food, unless you are in charge of the catering and cooking. It might have been intended for a particular meal, and taking it might put the whole of a week's menues all wrong. 
    Thanks CG. I will be showing your post to my three teenage sons, who think it is just their crazy mother that calls stripping the pantry bare like a swarm of locusts before she gets home *stealing*

    If Emma thinks the kids are expensive to feed now, wait till they hit 13. The toaster runs day and night in our house.

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Friday, 28th September 2012

    I don't eat beans; consulting Tesco's website did not offer cheapo economy beans as an option on the first pass, and I am simply not that interested in the things.

    If they are that cheap off the bypass, then I should think they are a good staple to lay in provided that you don't have a seriously poor reaction to them. Stealing them remains unacceptable, and children need to be taught early about that or they get into the habit of stripping the house of food without notice.

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by malizon (U10119599) on Friday, 28th September 2012

    I don't eat beans either. Yet again, I'm amazed at your lack of worldy-awareness. Do you live in Ambridge?

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