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  • Message 1. 

    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Is Daryl really stupid or what? He was warned not to tell anyone what he was doing, and I'm pretty sure Matt told him he didn't want Lilian to know. So why'd he tell her? He could easily have lied and said he didn't know why the pipe leaked - it's an old house and you do get leaky pipes in old houses, and even relatively new bits of pipework can be faulty....

    Now Matt'll probably fire him.

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  • Message 2

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    Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    I hate to say this, but I think Darryl is (now) a basically kind-hearted, honest sort of guy. He did not feel happy about the dodgy kitchen stuff and he has really hated what Matt has been asking him to do. I suspect he saw this as a way out. It'll be 'sorry Matt, but she wheedled it out of me. I didn't mean to tell her etc etc'.

    P

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    He could easily have lied 
    I think we've seen that this is a talent lacked by Darrel - he finds it very difficult and suffers guilt trips on those occasions he does manage to lie.

    I cannot recall the specifics of the conversations Darrell has had with Matt - I tend to tune out since the Darrell/Matt and Arthur/Joyce aspects of this SL do not interest me (IMO this SL is about the Matt / Lillian / Amside relationship, and everything else is incidental) - but suspect Darrell would believe Lillian to be "in" on Matt's scheming and conniving.

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Yep!
    He'd better get a large box fixed to his daughter's Scooter ..... cos he's gonna need that Pizza delivery job come Friday!

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    Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Matt made one of his typically oblique sort of remarks about Lillian. Something like 'We don't need to worry Lillian about all this, do we, Darryl. Do you understand what I'm saying?'.

    So I would guess that Darryl has always known that Lils was NOT in on it.

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  • Message 6

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    Posted by old-dibble (U15150179) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    This comment is, no doubt, horribly inappropriate and I will no doubt regret it. But it's a true story.

    When I lived in Cyprus I had some Filipina friends. One of these was an adventurous lady, to say the least. She had a husband and children back in the Philippines, a Filipino boyfriend in Cyprus, and worked as a 'nanny' for a family in Cyprus. She was 'close and accommodating' to her employer's husband. He bought her (among other expensive gifts, when he could hide them on the credit card statements) a scooter.

    There were several, indeed many, occasions when she and her friends (and me) were socialising on which she would receive a phone call from employer's husband and go dashing off on her scooter. I suggested that she got a pink flashing light fitted, as in 'Emergency BJ coming through'. She just smiled and enjoyed her scooter and other gifts.

    Nothing to do with Rosa, of course.

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  • Message 7

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    Posted by Mustafa Grumble (U8596785) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Thanks Peter-F.

    Darrell seems to have grasped the oppportunity to "let slip" with both hands (much as an England cricketer might ...).

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  • Message 8

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    Posted by mike (U14258103) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Because the SWs made him do it for storyline development reasons. He really would never have done this because Matt had warned him not to breathe a word about this to Lilian at the pain of losing his job. This development is completely ridiculous (imho).

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  • Message 9

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    Posted by snarklehound (U15065053) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    I think Darrell is a typical TA male underdog. Elona obviously bosses him about and the children seem to see him as only a provider of what they want. He's been in prison on what sounds like a "bum rap" as the Americans would put it. He wags his tail when anyone shows him kindness.

    When Matt offered him a job he was so grateful that he turned a blind eye to what looks like receiving stolen goods and since then Matt has entrapped him until he is now so dependent that he has reluctantly flooded the Walters house. Their gratitude and respect for him has shown him how decent people can behave and pricked his conscience. When confronted with a dominant (for once) Lilian, he caved in because he could not keep up the pretence. Matt won't fire him because his money supply is dependent on Lilian and she will protect him.

    Like so many males in TA, he is weak, lacking in initiative and gormless, but I still feel sorry for him as he stumbles deeper into the mire. Matt, on the other hand, needs locking up: he exploits the weakness of all about him: Darrell, the Walters and especially Lilian. I wish he'd meet a really serious criminal (or the SFO).

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  • Message 10

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    Posted by BanquetBangersBaroness (U15332198) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Darryl's admission to Lil is the perfect prelude to a major bust-up between Tigga and Puss Puss - and isn't Amside funded by the Widow Bellamy? Couldn't she threaten to pull the financial rug from under former lag Matt?

    I do hope so - Matt will ALWAYS listen to anything involving money before he'll listen to any lecture about fair-play, morals, commonsense, etc...............

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  • Message 11

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    Posted by old-dibble (U15150179) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    As I understand it, Matt is banned from being a company director for the time being.

    The term 'director' includes a 'shadow director' i.e. someone who is not registered as a director but who is, to all intents and purposes, exercising the degree of control that a 'real' director would. (Evidence for which is obtained from interviews of employees, etc., as to who is really 'pulling the strings'). No doubt about that - we've heard Matt directing employees, instructing Brenda re payment/non-payment of bills, etc.

    Only problem is, of course, in these cash-strapped times, do Borestshire Police have a Fraud Squad any more, and does this rank high enough on the community/partnership/public safety/bobbies on the streets political target list to warrant attention? (A cynic speaks).

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  • Message 12

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    Posted by Freda Fry (U12836683) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Why did Daryl tell Lilian? 
    Cos Daryl he coot man.

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  • Message 13

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    Posted by wessex wanderer (U12571998) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    He was warned not to tell anyone what he was doing, and I'm pretty sure Matt told him he didn't want Lilian to know. So why'd he tell her? 

    Lillian had already heard several phone messages from Arthur
    Clearly she had an idea something dodgy was going on. She could tell Daryl was involved and not happy.
    One way or the other she was going to get the truth out of him.

    I know some here don't like her, but she's no doormat like her sister, and I wouldn't want to be Matt when she gets hold of him.

    ww

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Daryl told Lilian because he wants her to sort Matt out.

    I am pretty sure that Lillian is going to put her foot down hard (prolly on Matt's neck).

    The bottom line is that the company is Lillian's not Matt's so she can do whatever she likes and he has no say whatsoever.

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  • Message 15

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    Posted by TufTanya (U7939853) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012


    << I am pretty sure that Lillian is going to put her foot down hard (prolly on Matt's neck). >>

    I'm looking forward to just such a scenario.

    Hope Lils follows through and doesn't pull her punches due to being afraid of losing Tiger.....

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  • Message 16

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    Posted by Scarlett the Harlot (U14942477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Matt used to have the power in that relationship but the boot is very much on the other foot now (or should I say the kitten heel is very much on the other foot now!).

    Come on Lillian just DO IT!!

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  • Message 17

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    LiloLil will never do anything that actually drive Tiger away.

    However much she kids herself about being in charge & being the main mover in Amside, she is not.
    Lilo is over the hill, gin addled, fag stained, vain & only popular & able to keep her man because of her Bank Balance & she knows it.

    She might moan & groan a bit ... but reality is, that although she is for sure better than JD, she really ain't up to much on her own.


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  • Message 18

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    Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Mike

    That is, imo, to misunderstand completely the character of Darryl. He has never liked doing what Matt has been asking (as I have said) and sees this as a way out. It has been on the cards for weeks now.

    Absolutely in character and a completely reasonable development (imo etc etc)

    P.

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  • Message 19

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Agreed AD. She will rant and pout but she won't do anything that might risk losing him. She has the morals of an alleycat.

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  • Message 20

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    Posted by Minihohum (U14070767) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Lilian also has a soft spot for old people and would be mortified if anyone thought she or Matt or Amside had done something really nasty to try to get rid of the tenants. She cares very much about not being a criminal or part of the criminal classes. She will be furious with Matt and he will be furious with Daryl for bean-spilling...

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  • Message 21

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    But she won't do anything that would mean she lost Matt that is for sure. If she is so keen on not being a criminal why does she agree to acting as a front to a company that Matt is managing? Because she is scared of losing him.

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  • Message 22

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    Posted by BanquetBangersBaroness (U15332198) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Thanks, old, I'd forgot all about Matt being banned.

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  • Message 23

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    Posted by peter-francis (U14241999) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    < < ........... I'd forgot all about Matt being banned. > >

    Are you a member of the Production Team by any chance then?

    P
    ; - )

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  • Message 24

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    Posted by BlackSheepBoy (U11150138) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    I think that Matt did a nasty thing, and if Darrell deliberately shopped him then he did at least something right.

    Darrell did something right, after however giving the Walters a weekend from hell, dousing their possessions, and playing Matt's game that far. If the couple had been just a bit less hardy, Darrell would have had them out of the house by now. He knew a better thing to do, because he could contrast it with his list of bad.

    Lilian will tell Matt to stop it, and yes she is the boss. Matt in fairness will then have to tell "his boss" that the company has no money, and with the Walters in situ at her insistence, that is one less possible opportunity available to get any money. Then she can be the boss, and give Matt her suggestion for keeping the Company solvent.

    One way to keep costs down would be to sack Darrell of corse.

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  • Message 25

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    They seem to be applying the same Fiscal Management Style as Bridge Farm did/do ........

    When money is short & income falling .... keep everybody employed, cut no costs & just moan about it!

    It was a rubbish plan at Bridge Farm & it's rubbish for Amside.

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  • Message 26

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Darrell did exactly the right thing by letting it slip to Lillian. This is what I've wanted him to do for weeks now. How can Matt possibly sack him? Lill.s the boss and she must start acting like one and kick him into touch or kick him out.

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  • Message 27

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Lilo will rant & rave a bit, but ultimately do nothing of substance. She is too scared of being alone.

    Daryl & to a lesser extent Bapper are in vulnerable positions.
    If Amside is in trouble, it won't be Tiger & Pusscat who suffer.

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  • Message 28

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    I still think Lil will put her foot down on this one. I think intimidating an elderly couple is a step too far for her. I think the SWs are backing Matt into a corner on this one. He's a great character when he comes up against the likes of Brian, and concentrating on his bullying ways will make us hate him........and it's hard to get any humour from a loathsome character.

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  • Message 29

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Agreed she won't do anything to disturb her world. She has been cruel in the past when it has suited her she will get him to back off a bit but won't do anything to put a stop to him looking for other ways of getting them out. Good at turning a blind eye is fagash.

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  • Message 30

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    Posted by siriol (U14748387) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Agreed she won't do anything to disturb her world. She has been cruel in the past when it has suited her she will get him to back off a bit but won't do anything to put a stop to him looking for other ways of getting them out. Good at turning a blind eye is fagash.  Matt is Lillian's weak spot without a doubt but tonight's episode suggests that nothing bad will happen to Joyce and Arthur now (or Darrell,hopefully)

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  • Message 31

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    Posted by Farewell Fieldpenguin (U2266391) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Lilian will make a gesture of showing Matt who's boss. But the only one that Matt is likely to be scared of is Chalkman.

    When's Chalky coming out? I thought he got three years.

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  • Message 32

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    anna, when was Lilian *cruel*? I grant stupid and careless, but I really don't rememebr her deliberately and nastily putting in the boot, least of all for financial gain. This is not her style, to me.

    Anyhow she is not being cruel and not prepared to be: she has quietly and without fuss let Matt know that his schemes against the Walters must now stop because she won't stand for it.

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  • Message 33

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    She colluded with Matt in robbing his wife and was nasty to the wife of one of his employees who made her notice how vile he is.


    I thought she was pathetic tonight. Anyone with a scrap of decency about them would have given him his marching orders not played a silly game that he will soon circumvent. So long as her world isn't disturbed she will do nothing.


    Horrible couple and tedious unsavoury story.

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  • Message 34

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    She colluded with Matt in not giving his ex-wife a penny more than he had to when she divorced him. We do not know why she divorced him; you assume he was exclusively to blame, I am prepared to think that there might be more to it and a little less black and white than that.

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  • Message 35

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    Posted by anna kist (U2314477) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    She also caused the secretary Jade to be sacked for no reason other than her jealous paranoia.

    Sorry Chris she isn't much better than him. And he is the money grabbing pits.

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  • Message 36

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    Posted by Chris Ghoti (U10794176) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Oh, wasn't Jade having an affair with Matt then? It seemed fairly clear in the programme that she was, what with the nights away with Matt in London and the projected week with him at the comference in Paris, and that the reason Matt wanted quit of her when he found the pregnancy test in her desk was that he thought she was playing Russian Roulette with her pills and he didn't want to be left holding the baby.

    In which case I think the woman he was living with might feel entitled to see if she couldn't get rid of the competition, especially if the competition was half her age.

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  • Message 37

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    Posted by _ShropshireLad_ (U10844552) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    Anyone with a scrap of decency about them would have given him his marching orders not played a silly game that he will soon circumvent. So long as her world isn't disturbed she will do nothing. 

    Even if she wanted too, she cannot disentangle her affairs from Matt's at a stroke, she is too deeply into allowing him to act illegally as a shadow director, as old dibble correctly points out.

    So they must hang together or they will surely hang separately, and Lilian just has to steer things in the right direction occasionally. Can't imagine what she sees in him, but she wants him around and she wants the business run reasonably ethically, and that she seems to be getting.

    Matt's manipulation of Darryl wasn't very convincing though, even if it added to the drama. He could have sent some total thug into that house if his aim was as crude as suggested. If you are going to break a window there is no point in using a plastic hammer.

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  • Message 38

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    But she won't do anything that would mean she lost Matt that is for sure. If she is so keen on not being a criminal why does she agree to acting as a front to a company that Matt is managing? 

    To make money to keep up their lifestyle.

    But Lili is NOT merely a front for Matt; she is very much involved in the business.

    It is entirely proper and legal for her to employ Matt. The problem only arises if she acts on his directions which she clearly does not.

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  • Message 39

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    Posted by spoonsth3 (U2351014) on Tuesday, 28th August 2012

    They seem to be applying the same Fiscal Management Style as Bridge Farm did/do ........

    When money is short & income falling .... keep everybody employed, cut no costs & just moan about it!

    It was a rubbish plan at Bridge Farm & it's rubbish for Amside.

     
    Wan't their style to borrow 10k from a close relative?

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  • Message 40

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    But Matt did not give all that was due in reality to his wife - he gave all that *HE* thought was due to her .. and salted the rest away in an off-shore fund.

    Matt is a nasty character - who blackmailed Al into doping the horse - and wanted Al to do worse - till Al refused . I remember also the way he threatened Paul his half brother. I wished Lillian had heaved out Matt and got together with Paul..

    As for Darryll- I don't think he is capable of subterfuge - and was glad to get it off his chest. I think Lillian had guessed anyway - from talking to the old couple.

    I don't think she will let him get away with *this* scam - she has her own reputation to defend
    JPBS

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  • Message 41

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Yes but a thug would be reported to the police and might go too far! However the couple wouldn't report lovely Darryll would they?
    JPBS

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    Posted by Organoleptic Icon (U11219171) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    In reply to Minihohum:

    Is Daryl really stupid or what? He was warned not to tell anyone what he was doing, and I'm pretty sure Matt told him he didn't want Lilian to know. So why'd he tell her? He could easily have lied and said he didn't know why the pipe leaked - it's an old house and you do get leaky pipes in old houses, and even relatively new bits of pipework can be faulty....

    Now Matt'll probably fire him. 


    Darryl is very cunning and has effectively hedged his bets. He knows Matt is banned.

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  • Message 43

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    Posted by Auntie Molly (U14110968) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Agreed AD. She will rant and pout but she won't do anything that might risk losing him. She has the morals of an alleycat.  Matt is a horrible man. Unlike, say, Brian he has no redeeming features. The only reason I can see that Lilliian would stay with someone like Mattt is that she is excited by him. Which says not a lot for her.

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  • Message 44

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    < One way to keep costs down would be to sack Darrell of course. >

    Or to put Brendurrr on a part-time contract. Is their really enough work at Backside to justify her being employed on a full time basis? Shirley, as Arthur would say, reducing her hours to morning or afternoons only would reduce expenses from about £20K a year by half; i.e almost a thousand pounds a month?

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  • Message 45

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    Posted by barwick_green (U2668006) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    They seem to be applying the same Fiscal Management Style as Bridge Farm did/do ........

    When money is short & income falling .... keep everybody employed, cut no costs & just moan about it!

    It was a rubbish plan at Bridge Farm & it's rubbish for Amside.

     
    Wan't their style to borrow 10k from a close relative? 
    With no sign of the venal scumbags ever paying it back either.

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  • Message 46

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    Posted by aquaticDougal (U3480367) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    "I don't think she will let him get away with *this* scam - she has her own reputation to defend"

    I agree she "shouldn't" let him get away with this.
    If she notices it, but does nothing, she is condoning it. Which would be wrong.
    But
    As for defending her reputation??????

    What reputation?
    That of an Air-head who does lunch?
    Of a desperate jaded old lush?
    Who is where she is because of her dead husband's money, not for anything she has achieved on her own?
    Lillian has A reputation alright ... but ticking off Matt in bed one night .... ain't gonna do much to save it.

    & when it comes to scaring off Matt's younger "interests" .... she has rapidly forgotten her flings with toy-boys she used as trophy hunks & other such bawdy behaviour.



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  • Message 47

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    Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    I once had a boss that was a bit like Matt in that he wanted me sometimes to conceal truth from other people in the same company and play political games. It's a totally impossible position to be put in, especially as you're likely to be there after he/she has gone and have to deal with the fallout, so my sympathies are entirely with Darrell. For what it's worth I think he did the right thing - Lillian was already on Matt's case and if he had lied to her I suspect it could have come back later to haunt him - the trust between him and the ultimate boss is very important. (this is very reminiscent of my own case.)

    As it is I think Matt has no choice but to knuckle under, smile, look happy and pretend it never happened. It's Lillian's company, Daryl is useful to the pair of them and good value for money as far as they're concerned. But Daryl does need to say to Matt that "I won't lie to you, and I won't lie for you" to draw a boundary here

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  • Message 48

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    Posted by JoinedPeetsBoard_Smeesues_too (U14519481) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    I agree she "shouldn't" let him get away with this.
    If she notices it, but does nothing, she is condoning it. Which would be wrong.
    But
    As for defending her reputation? 

    Her reputation as the head honcho of their company.

    Worst case -she could end up going to prison for harassment if she's not careful .. At best their company could get a reputation as less than respectable ..
    JPBS

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  • Message 49

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    Posted by Tellmeboutit (U14478835) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    I once had a boss that was a bit like Matt in that he wanted me sometimes to conceal truth from other people in the same company and play political games. It's a totally impossible position to be put in, especially as you're likely to be there after he/she has gone and have to deal with the fallout, so my sympathies are entirely with Darrell. For what it's worth I think he did the right thing - Lillian was already on Matt's case and if he had lied to her I suspect it could have come back later to haunt him - the trust between him and the ultimate boss is very important. (this is very reminiscent of my own case.)

    As it is I think Matt has no choice but to knuckle under, smile, look happy and pretend it never happened. It's Lillian's company, Daryl is useful to the pair of them and good value for money as far as they're concerned. But Daryl does need to say to Matt that "I won't lie to you, and I won't lie for you" to draw a boundary here 
    I presume a milk round beckons for Darryl, as his daughter works for Mike anyway. Amside must be a tinpot outfit if Matt has to descend to not paying bills and harassing the elderly; can they afford Brenda?

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  • Message 50

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    Posted by Poorgrass (U12099742) on Wednesday, 29th August 2012

    Yes I'm still not quite sure what Brenda does - she just seems to be a glorified secretary. If the company really is in trouble, she must be in the firing line for redundancy.

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